# The United Was campaign is underway at my workplace... this is what our CEO told us! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 21, 2003, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-united-was-campaign-is-underway-at-my-workplace-this-is-what-our-ceo-told-us/214510 "2003-11-21T15:37:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![MsRobyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/90ced4/32.png) [@MsRobyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsRobyn)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2003, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-united-was-campaign-is-underway-at-my-workplace-this-is-what-our-ceo-told-us/214510/81 "2003-11-23T15:44:51Z")
**spooje** , companies get a lot of good PR for stuff like United Way participation. It gives them a chance to say, “See, we do so care about our community!” whether they do or not. Robin ---
**Author:** ![Duke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e8c25b/32.png) [@Duke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2003, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-united-was-campaign-is-underway-at-my-workplace-this-is-what-our-ceo-told-us/214510/82 "2003-11-23T16:18:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Monty \* > **In this thread, so far, I’ve seen irrational ranting, outright falsehoods, and someone admitting to be a thief because he’s peeved at someone simply asking for funds.** Hold on, **Monty**. An exact quote from the transcript of the voice mail: > [@](#): > > There isn’t any good excuse why someone cannot donate to United Way. It’s not acceptable. So, obviously, the CEO would _not_ accept your suggestion of “if you don’t want to contribute, DON’T!” It’s obvious, also, that the CEO is hellbent on a 100% participation rate, from his other comments on the voicemail. United Way’s _own policy_ (see [here](http://national.unitedway.org/aboutuwa/pos_coercion.cfm)) discourages the “practice of seeking 100 percent participation in a campaign, as that may inadvertently encourage coercion.” (from the website) I deal with United Way from both sides of the equation. Our university’s community outreach program receives United Way funding. Our university also has a United Way fund drive from its employees. Did we send around voice mails saying that “there was no good excuse not to participate?” Did we seek a 100% participation rate? No, because, as we are fundraisers ourselves, we know that those practices fall under the category of coercive behavior. I must ask, **Monty** : What is your background in fundraising? Which professional fundraising organizations do you belong to? I can’t think of any fundraising body which would accept that the CEO’s voicemail was not coercive. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2003, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-united-was-campaign-is-underway-at-my-workplace-this-is-what-our-ceo-told-us/214510/83 "2003-11-23T16:29:36Z")
Did I fucking say the CEO’s voicemail wasn’t coercive, asshole? ---
**Author:** ![SnoopyFan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d07c76/32.png) [@SnoopyFan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SnoopyFan)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2003, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-united-was-campaign-is-underway-at-my-workplace-this-is-what-our-ceo-told-us/214510/84 "2003-11-23T16:42:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ParentalAdvisory \* > \*\*I agree with sending the message to a radio talk show host. Specifically ManCow. You’d probably get a week of airplay on this bullshit. But do it anonymously. \*\* Agreed. Not only would Mancow’s head explode and he’d go on and on about how unethical the United Way is, thus getting the word out, I bet he would be deluged with letters and emails from other people whose employers push the UW on them, too. ---
**Author:** ![chique](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@chique](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chique)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2003, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-united-was-campaign-is-underway-at-my-workplace-this-is-what-our-ceo-told-us/214510/85 "2003-11-23T19:52:21Z")
Woohoo! **Monty’s** PMSing again! ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2003, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-united-was-campaign-is-underway-at-my-workplace-this-is-what-our-ceo-told-us/214510/86 "2003-11-23T20:05:59Z")
Go to hell, you worthless insane bitch. ---
**Author:** ![Scruloose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e68b1a/32.png) [@Scruloose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scruloose)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2003, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-united-was-campaign-is-underway-at-my-workplace-this-is-what-our-ceo-told-us/214510/87 "2003-11-23T20:25:54Z")
Holy shit Monty. Maybe you should unplug for awhile. You seem to be in a perpetual meltdown lately. Stress much? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Briny\_Deep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/briny_deep/32/17188_2.png) [@Briny\_Deep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Briny_Deep)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2003, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-united-was-campaign-is-underway-at-my-workplace-this-is-what-our-ceo-told-us/214510/88 "2003-11-23T20:33:40Z")
**Monty** , I’ve been meaning to ask you for quite a while: what in your Mormon Christian theology or philosophy allows you to tell people to “go to hell”? Is this a standard, acceptable curse in your theology, or is it a weakness on your part alone that you type those words so often? Knowing that you are a Christian, I cringe a little (okay, a lot) every time I see you tell someone to go to hell. I wonder, do you really mean it? If you had the power to zap people into hell, would you use it? As a Christian myself I really hesitate to publicly point out any perceived failing on the part of another Christian. But this “go to hell” business is really over the top. Please consider your words more carefully. ---
**Author:** ![chique](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@chique](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chique)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2003, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-united-was-campaign-is-underway-at-my-workplace-this-is-what-our-ceo-told-us/214510/89 "2003-11-23T20:47:57Z")
Naw, **Chadeleur** , it’s ok - it’s actully pretty funny. I used to stay over at my grandparents a lot when I was little, and one of the many “Little Golden Books” they had was of _Rumplestiltzken_. Whenever **Monty** goes on a tear like this I have this picture in my head of a pathetic little red-faced man stomping his foot til he goes through the floor, just like Ol’ Rumple. It always gives me a giggle. 😉 As for the CFC, **Ol’ Rump** …I mean, **Monty** can bring out all the official military directives he can lay his hands on, but I was still harrassed for two weeks by my LPO and DivOff at my first command about donating until I flat out told my LPO that I wouldn’t contribute to the CFC precisely because of the pressure they were putting on me. My LPO eventually put in a dollar in my name in order to reach that mission-critical 100% goal. **Ol’ Rumple** is now going to call me a liar. Why? I don’t know; after all, **He. Wasn’t. There**. I was, and I remember how frightening it was to have an O-2 and an E-7 on my boot ass about a fucking dollar. But it happened, and no matter how much **Ol’ Rumple** stomps his foot that **fact** is not going to away. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2003, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-united-was-campaign-is-underway-at-my-workplace-this-is-what-our-ceo-told-us/214510/90 "2003-11-23T20:50:40Z")
Nowhere did I say I’m a great Mormon, masonite, so you can shove that comment. Chique is a rabid boardstalker and is full of crap from day one. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2003, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-united-was-campaign-is-underway-at-my-workplace-this-is-what-our-ceo-told-us/214510/91 "2003-11-23T20:53:19Z")
Oh, and Chandeleur, is that your only comment about my proof of your lies in this thread? ---
**Author:** ![Briny\_Deep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/briny_deep/32/17188_2.png) [@Briny\_Deep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Briny_Deep)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2003, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-united-was-campaign-is-underway-at-my-workplace-this-is-what-our-ceo-told-us/214510/92 "2003-11-23T21:22:18Z")
Fair enough, Monty; nobody’s perfect. We’re all just muddling through. I hope you agree with my point, however, that “go to hell” is a pretty seriously horrendous thing for any Christian to say, ever. Not that I haven’t said worse myself from time to time. Peace. ---
**Author:** ![MsRobyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/90ced4/32.png) [@MsRobyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsRobyn)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2003, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-united-was-campaign-is-underway-at-my-workplace-this-is-what-our-ceo-told-us/214510/93 "2003-11-23T21:22:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Monty \* > \*\*Oh, and Chandeleur, is that your only comment about my proof of your lies in this thread? \*\* Ya know, Monty, I may not be Chandeleur, but having been a victim of your style of argument, I’m going to go ahead and say it. Just because you’ve got binders and binders of official personnel policies and the UCMJ and everything else doesn’t make him (or me, or chique, or anyone else) a liar. There are many, many things that go on in a command each day that are against the UCMJ or the personnel policies you claim are gospel truth. Once again, **you weren’t there**. You have no proof that his story is false except for the feeling that it should be. Therefore, since you think it’s false, it is. I suggest you get some Preparation H or un-knot your panties or take a Valium or something, because this schtik has gotten old. Robin ---
**Author:** ![chique](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@chique](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chique)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2003, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-united-was-campaign-is-underway-at-my-workplace-this-is-what-our-ceo-told-us/214510/94 "2003-11-23T21:24:34Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Monty \* > \*\*Chique is a rabid boardstalker and is full of crap from day one. \*\* I do not have rabies. Your post is full of lies. ---
**Author:** ![Scruloose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e68b1a/32.png) [@Scruloose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scruloose)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2003, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-united-was-campaign-is-underway-at-my-workplace-this-is-what-our-ceo-told-us/214510/95 "2003-11-23T21:24:52Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Monty \* > \*\*Oh, and Chandeleur, is that your only comment about my proof of your lies in this thread? \*\* Yup. Do do anything otherwise, would be wasting keystrokes, frankly. I hope this doesn’t hurt your feelings any, but it’s not as if I’m sitting here thinking to myself, “_Oh no! Some narrow minded idiot on an internet discussion board thinks I’m a liar! What am I going to do? WHAT AM I GOING TO DO?!?_” You think I’m lying? Fine. I’m pretty sure I won’t lose any sleep over it. Here’s some advice: Get over yourself. If you honestly believe at this point in your life that no disparity exists between published word and reality, then that just speaks to your naivete. > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by chique_ > **…to reach that mission-critical 100% goal.** LOL 😃 ---
**Author:** ![chique](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@chique](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chique)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2003, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-united-was-campaign-is-underway-at-my-workplace-this-is-what-our-ceo-told-us/214510/96 "2003-11-23T21:35:57Z")
Ok, I’m sorry - that was childish. Tell me, **Monty** - which part of that last post is full of crap? I didn’t spend time at my grandparents as a child, they didn’t have Little Golden Books, they didn’t have a Little Golden Book entitled _Rumplestiltzken_, or you don’t remind me of _Rumplestiltzken_ when you throw a tantrum? Because each of those statements are as true as the bits about the CFC. ---
**Author:** ![Duke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e8c25b/32.png) [@Duke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2003, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-united-was-campaign-is-underway-at-my-workplace-this-is-what-our-ceo-told-us/214510/97 "2003-11-23T23:12:15Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Monty \* > \*\*Did I fucking say the CEO’s voicemail wasn’t coercive, asshole? \*\* Holy crap, talk about overreacting. Let’s just step back away from the keyboard for a day, shall we? I’ll get back to you then. In the meantime, just chill, OK? ---
**Author:** ![chique](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@chique](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chique)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2003, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-united-was-campaign-is-underway-at-my-workplace-this-is-what-our-ceo-told-us/214510/98 "2003-11-23T23:26:45Z")
Actually, **Duke** , I don’t want him to step back from the keyboard. He’s laid several charges on me and I want him to come back and defend those charges. Otherwise I’ll have to conclude that he is, y’know, a liar. ---
**Author:** ![Tristan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tristan/32/18058_2.png) [@Tristan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tristan)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2003, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-united-was-campaign-is-underway-at-my-workplace-this-is-what-our-ceo-told-us/214510/99 "2003-11-24T05:08:26Z")
Wow, I see this thread headed for the pit… Oh. Wait. ---
**Author:** ![GrizzRich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/7ba0ec/32.png) [@GrizzRich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrizzRich)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2003, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-united-was-campaign-is-underway-at-my-workplace-this-is-what-our-ceo-told-us/214510/100 "2003-11-24T15:52:13Z")
Guess what. Our company DIDN’T get 100% participation. Go figure! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-united-was-campaign-is-underway-at-my-workplace-this-is-what-our-ceo-told-us/214510.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-united-was-campaign-is-underway-at-my-workplace-this-is-what-our-ceo-told-us/214510.md?page=6)