# The universe is a sum of material and spiritual parts?

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**Category:** Great Debates\
**Created:** [August 24, 2003, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-universe-is-a-sum-of-material-and-spiritual-parts/197408 "2003-08-24T23:34:20Z")\
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**Author:** ![Joe\_Random](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e8c25b/32.png) [@Joe\_Random](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joe_Random)\
**Post date:** [August 25, 2003, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-universe-is-a-sum-of-material-and-spiritual-parts/197408/21 "2003-08-25T18:04:12Z")

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> \*Originally posted by Meta-Gumble \*  
> \*\*Teleologically; our faculty of reason could not have arisen in, or make sense of an unreasonable universe. Which is to say that reason is evident in all of the universe, and is not a human creation.
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> Unless you are a hardened empiricist who says there is no objective reality, I beleive the above argument holds. \*\*

What argument? You made a baseless assertion. On what grounds do you base your statement that our faculty of reason could not have arisen in an unreasonable universe?

And what, exactly, do you mean by the phrase “unreasonable universe”?

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