the US government is furious at Russia because they will sell Iran Tor-1 missiles

We never had authority, but at least we used to have leverage.

Now, though, the Iraqi milking machine has our dick and it ain’t gonna give up until it gets fifty gallons, if you know what I mean.

Anwyays, the US is in check. And we put ourselves in there willingly. Well, 50% willingly.

-Joe

Have ye found any of those strawmen yet, or this another case of Iraqi WMD’s?
Given the admin’s propensity for lying about stuff, anyone who decries Iran’s nuclear program just because George Bush is against it, is both a fucking idiot and a gullible fool. There are a great plenty of those in post-9/11 America.

This is Realpolitik, right? I mean every country is probably acting in it’sown best interest, Iran buying the missiles, Russia selling them, and the US protesting. This is the way of the world and I would hardly Pit any country for acting te way they are. Persoanlly, I would prefer Iran didn’t have the missiles either.

There are plenty of odious regimes that are well equipped militarily, hell, the West sold them their stuff, and now we complain.

All the US has done in the last couple of years in that region is prove the case for arming oneself with nuclear weapons, instead of rumours.

I’ll second Squink’s strawman comment, thankyewverymuch.

I remember the moment that abolished any doubt of whether I wanted John Kerry as my President for this term. The question in the third debate was something along the lines of, “What do you regard as the biggest threat in the world today?” and Kerry unhesitatingly said, “Nuclear proliferation.” Didn’t even pause to think.

The dishonesty of the Bush crew in dealing with Iran hasn’t made the problem any easier to deal with. Maybe there’s a decent deal to be made with them, maybe not. But the Bushies and the media natterers in their pocket have been doing their best to muddy the waters and reduce the acceptability of a non-military solution. Iraq’s already damaged the proliferation picture in serious ways - if I were the head of a country that the U.S. doesn’t like, the message I’d take away from Iraq is that I need a nuke and a medium-range missile.

If Tor-M1 SAMs will give Iran that same feeling of security, without creating the same potential threat to the world, then I’m all for it. But I suspect that the only resolution is some sort of bargain where we provide security guarantees for Iran in return for their guaranteeing permanent inspection rights so we know they’re not enriching uranium beyond the 5% level needed for nuclear power. Only we can give the necessary security guarantees, so talks that we’re not a part of are meaningless.

Might be nice if we and the Russians reduced our arsenals somewhat too - perhaps even as part of the same deal. Each of the two nuclear superpowers has about 5800 active nukes, and the rest of the world (UK, France, China, Israel, India, Pakistan, NK) has maybe 1200 combined. There’s no need of having that many warheads lying around anymore.

Richard Haass, Richard Armitage, Kissinger, Lugar and Hegal have all called for direct negotiations with Iran. None are afraid: all are tough-minded.

In my opinion, a President like Nixon could have cut a deal.

this is a bit off the topic, but haven’t Iran the right to enrich uranium according to the treaty?

Nothing in this Treaty shall be interpreted as affecting the inalienable right of all the Parties to the Treaty to develop research, production and use of nuclear energy for peaceful purposes without discrimination and in conformity with articles I and II of this Treaty.