# The US senate is voting on the "bailout plan"? How is that even possible? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [October 1, 2008, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-us-senate-is-voting-on-the-bailout-plan-how-is-that-even-possible/466042 "2008-10-01T19:03:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Superfluous\_Parentheses](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8edcca/32.png) [@Superfluous\_Parentheses](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superfluous_Parentheses)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2008, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-us-senate-is-voting-on-the-bailout-plan-how-is-that-even-possible/466042/1 "2008-10-01T19:03:44Z")
I don’t know a lot about the details of the US senate, but I used to think that the senate can’t pass a proposal that hasn’t been supported by the house of representatives. From what I’ve gathered, they’re modifying an existing bill, then vote on it, and if it passes, send it back to the house. Seems strange to me. Does this sort of thing happen a lot? Also, what happens if the house modifies it again? ---
**Author:** ![Giles](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giles/32/60_2.png) [@Giles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giles)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2008, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-us-senate-is-voting-on-the-bailout-plan-how-is-that-even-possible/466042/2 "2008-10-01T19:11:02Z")
> [@Superfluous\_Parentheses](#): > > I don’t know a lot about the details of the US senate, but I used to think that the senate can’t pass a proposal that hasn’t been supported by the house of representatives. That’s wrong – legislation can originate in either part of the legislature, and often does originate in the Senate. ---
**Author:** ![Superfluous\_Parentheses](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8edcca/32.png) [@Superfluous\_Parentheses](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superfluous_Parentheses)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2008, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-us-senate-is-voting-on-the-bailout-plan-how-is-that-even-possible/466042/3 "2008-10-01T19:14:53Z")
> [@Giles](#): > > That’s wrong – legislation can originate in either part of the legislature, and often does originate in the Senate. Ignorance fought again. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2008, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-us-senate-is-voting-on-the-bailout-plan-how-is-that-even-possible/466042/4 "2008-10-01T19:15:46Z")
> [@Giles](#): > > That’s wrong – legislation can originate in either part of the legislature, and often does originate in the Senate. Except revenue bills which must start in the House. ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2008, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-us-senate-is-voting-on-the-bailout-plan-how-is-that-even-possible/466042/5 "2008-10-01T19:17:24Z")
> [@superfluous parentheses](#): > > i don’t know a lot about the details of the us senate, but i used to think that the senate can’t pass a proposal that hasn’t been supported by the house of representatives. > > From what i’ve gathered, they’re modifying an existing bill, then vote on it, and if it passes, send it back to the house. Seems strange to me. Does this sort of thing happen a lot? Also, what happens if the house modifies it again? > [@us constitution art I sec.7](#): > > all bills for raising revenue shall originate in the house of representatives; but the senate may propose or concur with amendments as on other bills. cc ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2008, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-us-senate-is-voting-on-the-bailout-plan-how-is-that-even-possible/466042/6 "2008-10-01T19:21:18Z")
> [@Superfluous\_Parentheses](#): > > I don’t know a lot about the details of the US senate, but I used to think that the senate can’t pass a proposal that hasn’t been supported by the house of representatives. With the exception of revenue bills, legislation can begin in either House. The same bill must eventually be passed by both houses in order to go to the President to become a law or get vetoed. > [@](#): > > From what I’ve gathered, they’re modifying an existing bill, then vote on it, and if it passes, send it back to the house. Seems strange to me. Does this sort of thing happen a lot? Quite frequently. Often, the House and Senate will originate completely different bills for much the same purpose, and then fight over which one is better. In this case, they’re using the Senate debate as essentially a second round of debate over the merits of the bailout, and what protections (and pork) should be included. > [@](#): > > Also, what happens if the house modifies it again? That also happens frequently. Sometimes bills will bounce back and forth several times. Eventually, a conference committee of Senators and Representatives will meet to negotiate the differences in the House and Senate versions of a bill. If they come up with a compromise, then the compromise bill must go back to each house yet again for passage.