# The USA is not now and may never be ready for a woman President **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 22, 2017, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-usa-is-not-now-and-may-never-be-ready-for-a-woman-president/794371 "2017-08-22T15:15:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2017, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-usa-is-not-now-and-may-never-be-ready-for-a-woman-president/794371/201 "2017-12-28T16:16:47Z")
> [@nachtmusick](#): > > Trump may turn out to be the best thing that ever happened for feminism. Did it hurt your fingers to type this? šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![nachtmusick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ac91a4/32.png) [@nachtmusick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nachtmusick)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2017, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-usa-is-not-now-and-may-never-be-ready-for-a-woman-president/794371/202 "2017-12-28T16:26:26Z")
Republican Senators Susan Collins of Maine and Lisa Murkowski of Alaska joined with McCain and the Democrats to preserve the Affordable Health Care Act. These are two women I want to know more about. ---
**Author:** ![GulfTiger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e79b87/32.png) [@GulfTiger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GulfTiger)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2017, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-usa-is-not-now-and-may-never-be-ready-for-a-woman-president/794371/203 "2017-12-28T16:32:32Z")
> [@nachtmusick](#): > > Republican Senators Susan Collins of Maine and Lisa Murkowski of Alaska joined with McCain and the Democrats to preserve the Affordable Health Care Act. These are two women I want to know more about. But after that they put arsenic in the ACAā€™s soup when they killed the individual mandate via the tax reform bill. ---
**Author:** ![nachtmusick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ac91a4/32.png) [@nachtmusick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nachtmusick)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2017, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-usa-is-not-now-and-may-never-be-ready-for-a-woman-president/794371/204 "2017-12-28T16:39:38Z")
Yes, but in that instance they didnā€™t have to go against their tribe to do so. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2017, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-usa-is-not-now-and-may-never-be-ready-for-a-woman-president/794371/205 "2017-12-28T17:50:54Z")
> [@GulfTiger](#): > > Considering she was addressing the U.N., that would be audience level appropriate.šŸ˜ƒ Yeah, comments like that. :rolleyes: Very mature. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2017, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-usa-is-not-now-and-may-never-be-ready-for-a-woman-president/794371/206 "2017-12-28T18:36:09Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > After eight years of a Democrat in the White House, the GOP starts out ahead. There may be a slight drift towards a change but she was running against Donald fucking Trump. That slight current she was swimming against isnā€™t what killed her. > [@](#): > > Every candidate has strengths and weaknesses. One strength Hillary had was the good US economic performance when her husband was president. Some of the younger people here may not recall that, but older people who do remember vote a lot. And thatā€™s where Bernie Sanders is, in an electoral sense, weak ā€“ because the world socialism is not a electoral positive in the US. On economics, Hillary was strong, and you canā€™t assume someone else would be. Thatā€™s the problem. To many people, her biggest qualification was being married to Bill Clinton. On economics, Hillary was seen a globalist and a lot of people were pretty sick and tired of seeing all this economic prosperity in China based on free and open markets and all the wage suppression here based on a lax immigration policy. > [@](#): > > At the national level, no candidate is immune to opposition research. She was, there was nothing we didnā€™t know before the campaign except the fact that she cheated (or people cheated for her) during the primaries. > [@](#): > > One theory is that after an exciting President, people want someone boring, and visa versa. Boring sounds good to me right now (and I am a swing voter). Wait was Obama the exciting president or was he boring because I thought he was pretty exciting. Tingle up my leg and everything. > [@](#): > > Another theory, which I hope isnā€™t true, is that it doesnā€™t matter who the candidate is ā€“ all that matters is whether it is a Democratic or Republican year. The fact that Donald frigginā€™ Trump could, in 2016, beat a mainstream Democrat, provides evidence in that direction. It was Hillary. Trump won because of Hillary. We canā€™t just throw anyone up there in 2020 and expect them to beat Trump. They have to be appealing to the majority of the electorate, not just the ā€œready for Hillaryā€ crowd. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2017, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-usa-is-not-now-and-may-never-be-ready-for-a-woman-president/794371/207 "2017-12-28T18:46:36Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Gay people just ā€œpretendedā€ they had it worse? > > That comment is asinine. > > In many ways it was demonstrably more difficult to be gay than to be black. When in many states discrimination against gays was legal it was worse in at least some aspects. > > Itā€™s also hardly clear that ā€œgay black peopleā€ disagreed despite your claim. I think when you throw around words like asinine, it is particularly embarrassing to be wrong. If you recall during the gay rights debate, the comparison being made was not the gay rights movement to the CURRENT state of affairs for blacks in America. It was in comparison to the Civil Rights Movement. In what way did gays have it worse than blacks before the civil rights movement? Or were you premature to use the word asinine when you didnā€™t know what the fuck you were talking about? If you didnā€™t understand the context of the statement, then perhaps you should make more of an effort to understand the context before you start throwing around words like asinine because it can make you look foolish. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2017, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-usa-is-not-now-and-may-never-be-ready-for-a-woman-president/794371/208 "2017-12-28T18:51:48Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > The country WAS ready a year ago, but the Hillary debacle ruined chances for any woman candidate for many years to come. Maybe so on the Democrat side. But my conservative friends seem to be pretty impressed with Condoleeza Rize and Nikki Haley. Both of whom would be able to pick up more than a few Democratic votes. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2017, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-usa-is-not-now-and-may-never-be-ready-for-a-woman-president/794371/209 "2017-12-28T18:53:05Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > The country WAS ready a year ago, but the Hillary debacle ruined chances for any woman candidate for many years to come. I think the Hillary debacle largely soured the nation on ā€œThe Clintonsā€. Also, I believe weā€™re going to see a surge of women running for Congress in the next couple years. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2017, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-usa-is-not-now-and-may-never-be-ready-for-a-woman-president/794371/210 "2017-12-28T19:05:08Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I think the Hillary debacle largely soured the nation on ā€œThe Clintonsā€. Also, I believe weā€™re going to see a surge of women running for Congress in the next couple years. This may be true. A shitload of women got elected into the Virginia house and senate. 11 out 15 of the seats that flipped Democrat in the house were women. There were about half a dozen other Republicans that were within a couple hundred votes of losing their seat. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2017, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-usa-is-not-now-and-may-never-be-ready-for-a-woman-president/794371/211 "2017-12-28T19:18:50Z")
Iā€™m encouraged by the fact that women candidates are proving to be as accomplished bullshitters as their male counterparts. Our local paper is doing a Q&A with all the gubernatorial candidates, and this is what former Congresswoman Betty Sutton (D) had to say in refusing to answer the question about raising taxes: _ā€œAs governor, I will reprioritize our stateā€™s revenues and funding holistically, so that we can adequately find the resources we need to immediately tackle these large problems without just looking at each individually within the current framework.ā€_ Congratulations, Betty! No male candidate couldā€™ve emitted a bigger load of evasive crap. > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > A shitload of women Evocative. Wasnā€™t that the title of a song by Bill Haley and the Comets? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2017, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-usa-is-not-now-and-may-never-be-ready-for-a-woman-president/794371/212 "2017-12-28T20:13:13Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Iā€™m encouraged by the fact that women candidates are proving to be as accomplished bullshitters as their male counterparts. Our local paper is doing a Q&A with all the gubernatorial candidates, and this is what former Congresswoman Betty Sutton (D) had to say in refusing to answer the question about raising taxes: > > _ā€œAs governor, I will reprioritize our stateā€™s revenues and funding holistically, so that we can adequately find the resources we need to immediately tackle these large problems without just looking at each individually within the current framework.ā€_ > > Congratulations, Betty! No male candidate couldā€™ve emitted a bigger load of evasive crap.Evocative. Wasnā€™t that the title of a song by Bill Haley and the Comets? Most of the women here in Virginia seemed to be running on one or two actual issue. For example: there is a transwoman that won running simply on reducing traffic on a two lane road. The traffic on this road probably affects over 10,000 people. Another woman ran mostly on the Medicaid expansion. She seems pretty conservative for a Democrat but her campaign slogan seemed to be ā€œeveryone else is getting this money, why not us?ā€ And a lot of people were just really shocked at what the Republicans were becoming under Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2017, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-usa-is-not-now-and-may-never-be-ready-for-a-woman-president/794371/213 "2017-12-28T20:49:53Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > For example: there is a transwoman that won running simply on reducing traffic on a two lane road. The traffic on this road probably affects over 10,000 people Hell, I thought she ran just to beat the moron who introduced the transgender bathroom bill. šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2017, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-usa-is-not-now-and-may-never-be-ready-for-a-woman-president/794371/214 "2017-12-28T22:46:51Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > If you recall during the gay rights debate, the comparison being made was not the gay rights movement to the CURRENT state of affairs for blacks in America. It was in comparison to the Civil Rights Movement. In what way did gays have it worse than blacks before the civil rights movement? Or were you premature to use the word asinine when you didnā€™t know what the fuck you were talking about? Blacks had black parents, who knew what their kids would go through and give them advice and help shelter them as best they could. Blacks could live lives openly as blacksā€¦restricted lives, with a lot of opportunities not open to them, and looked down by the majority, but, for the most part, they could live openly as themselves. Blacks could have open romantic relationships and marry other blacks, and not have to worry about losing their jobs, their homes, or their lives because of it. Those were some ways that gays had it worse than blacks before the Civil Rights Movement. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2018, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-usa-is-not-now-and-may-never-be-ready-for-a-woman-president/794371/215 "2018-01-04T16:57:34Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Hell, I thought she ran just to beat the moron who introduced the transgender bathroom bill. šŸ™‚ That masy be WHY she ran but thatā€™s not HOW she ran. Its a pretty conservative district, thereā€™s a reason why they kept electing the dude who specializes in vaginal ultrasounds, gay marriage bans and trans banning bathroom bills that promotes himself as homophobe in chief. But people were able to overcome their homophobia because they hate traffic THAT much. The Republicanā€™s entire campaign was ā€œforget about medicaid expansion are you really going to vote for a chick with dickā€ ā€œforget about the absolutely fucked up traffic you canā€™t for for the shemaleā€ Turns out campaigning on gender identity politics is not working so well for Democrats OR Republicans these days. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2018, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-usa-is-not-now-and-may-never-be-ready-for-a-woman-president/794371/216 "2018-01-04T17:06:47Z")
> [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > Blacks had black parents, who knew what their kids would go through and give them advice and help shelter them as best they could. Blacks could live lives openly as blacksā€¦restricted lives, with a lot of opportunities not open to them, and looked down by the majority, but, for the most part, they could live openly as themselves. Blacks didnā€™t really have a choice about living openly. If a black man could stay in the closet and live as a white man, I suspect most of them would have lived their entire life that way. In some ways, having that closet to hide in to avoid the persecution and bigotry was a luxury that gays had that blacks did not. Gays could live just as openly as blacks, sure their lives would be restricted with a lot of opportunities not open to them, but for the most part, they can live openly as themselves. > [@](#): > > Blacks could have open romantic relationships and marry other blacks, and not have to worry about losing their jobs, their homes, or their lives because of it. Yeah as long as it was with another black person just like gays can love anyone they want as long as it is with someone of the opposite sex and not have to worry about losing their job, etc. You do realize that black men lost their lives for dating white women, right? > [@](#): > > Those were some ways that gays had it worse than blacks before the Civil Rights Movement. So in conclusion, gays had it worse than blacks in ONE way. They didnā€™t have gay parents to tell them how much it was going to suck to be a white gay man who would have to hide their gayness but could otherwise achieve pretty much everything they want in life. In almost all other ways, being black sucked much harder precisely because they couldnā€™t hide their blackness from a society that hated them for being black. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2018, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-usa-is-not-now-and-may-never-be-ready-for-a-woman-president/794371/217 "2018-01-04T22:09:12Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > This comes under the heading of Sad But True: only a white man can defeat Donald Trump. > > As bad a Presidential candidate as Hillary may have been (even though she was widely described as possibly THE single most qualified candidate ever to run for President), if she had been a white man, s/he could have beaten Trump. I disagree. A term Iā€™ve used about Clinton here is _deceptive_ whereas Iā€™ve called Trump an _honest liar_. I should really have called him an open liar. Iā€™ve been reading about Clinton on Quora and one thing those whoā€™ve worked with her pretty much all say is that in front of the camera sheā€™s one thing but behind the scenes she is a nasty piece of work. Whereas Trump is openly nasty. Trumpā€™s behaviour is the more open, so that helped him get elected. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-usa-is-not-now-and-may-never-be-ready-for-a-woman-president/794371/218 "2018-09-24T18:41:24Z")
Is it time to revisit this question yet? We face some 25 months of shifting elec-tides before the next presidential vote. Will the controversies with Kavanaugh, _et_ (inevitably) _al_, be having an effect on our 2020 visions? ---
**Author:** ![DavidwithanR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3bc359/32.png) [@DavidwithanR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidwithanR)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-usa-is-not-now-and-may-never-be-ready-for-a-woman-president/794371/219 "2018-09-25T20:11:31Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Is it time to revisit this question yet? We face some 25 months of shifting elec-tides before the next presidential vote. Will the controversies with Kavanaugh, _et_ (inevitably) _al_, be having an effect on our 2020 visions? There are various ā€œvotesā€. The ā€œblack voteā€, the ā€œHispanic voteā€, the this vote, the that vote. If someone can galvanize and inspire the ā€œstupid asshole voteā€ the way that Trump has, that person wins. That particular constituency is extremely powerful in the US, and it is not going away quickly. ---
**Author:** ![JB99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/439d5e/32.png) [@JB99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JB99)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2018, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-usa-is-not-now-and-may-never-be-ready-for-a-woman-president/794371/220 "2018-09-25T22:21:48Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > And a lot of people were just really shocked at what the Republicans were becoming under Trump. Too little, too late. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-usa-is-not-now-and-may-never-be-ready-for-a-woman-president/794371.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-usa-is-not-now-and-may-never-be-ready-for-a-woman-president/794371.md?page=12)