# The USA is not now and may never be ready for a woman President **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 22, 2017, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-usa-is-not-now-and-may-never-be-ready-for-a-woman-president/794371 "2017-08-22T15:15:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-usa-is-not-now-and-may-never-be-ready-for-a-woman-president/794371/221 "2018-09-28T15:31:14Z")
> [@JB99](#): > > Too little, too late. They are acclimating. Conservatives are getting used to the notion that they have a laughingstock (literally) as the leader of their party but as long as he keeps nominating anti-abortion justices, they tolerate the sexism, racism, an buffoonery. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-usa-is-not-now-and-may-never-be-ready-for-a-woman-president/794371/222 "2018-09-28T15:54:23Z")
You say that like they have a distaste for Trump and are willing to live with it, but the evidence would suggest the great majority of Republicans love him. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-usa-is-not-now-and-may-never-be-ready-for-a-woman-president/794371/223 "2018-09-28T16:10:16Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > They are acclimating. Conservatives are getting used to the notion that they have a laughingstock (literally) as the leader of their party but as long as he keeps nominating anti-abortion justices, they tolerate the sexism, racism, an buffoonery. Bull. I have yet to meet a Trumpette in real life that had this attitude-all the ones I’ve met are 100% for whatever spews from his mouth. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-usa-is-not-now-and-may-never-be-ready-for-a-woman-president/794371/224 "2018-09-28T16:19:53Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > You say that like they have a distaste for Trump and are willing to live with it, but the evidence would suggest the great majority of Republicans love him. The thing is that quite a lot of them live in a bubble in which they are convinced that all the negative press is a conspiracy against Trump and that he is actually making America great again. As Schiller noted, against such wilful stupidity the very gods themselves contend in vain. > [@Friedrich Schiller](#): > > Exalted reason, > Resplendent daughter of the head divine, > Wise foundress of the system of the world, > Guide of the stars, who art thou then if thou, > Bound to the tail of folly’s uncurbed steed, > Must, vainly shrieking with the drunken crowd, > Eyes open, plunge down headlong in the abyss. > Accursed, who striveth after noble ends, > And with deliberate wisdom forms his plans! > To the fool-king belongs the world. Indeed. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-usa-is-not-now-and-may-never-be-ready-for-a-woman-president/794371/225 "2018-09-28T16:57:18Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > They are acclimating. Conservatives are getting used to the notion that they have a laughingstock (literally) as the leader of their party but as long as he keeps nominating anti-abortion justices, they tolerate the sexism, racism, an buffoonery. He’s leaving them alone and he’s presiding over a booming economy with low unemployment. That will do for them. Of course, how long the economy will continue to boom when Trump’s tariffs start to bite is an interesting question. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-usa-is-not-now-and-may-never-be-ready-for-a-woman-president/794371/226 "2018-09-28T17:09:55Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > IMHO it’s very important that Donald Trump not be reelected in 2020, given that he’s still in office by then and runs again. But if the Democrats nominate another woman (Elizabeth Warren’s name pops up) I believe they will be throwing the election away. Likewise a non-white man-- no matter how qualified. I agree. In fact, well before I ever even heard of Obama, I always said that we would elect a Black man president before a woman. I’m hoping they nominate Joe Biden or someone of that genre. I think that would do the trick in 2020. ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-usa-is-not-now-and-may-never-be-ready-for-a-woman-president/794371/227 "2018-09-28T18:35:48Z")
For what it’s worth, I remember Bill Clinton’s presidency pretty clearly. I think everyone forgets just how much people disliked Hillary even before she was a candidate for _anything_, let alone President. Plenty of the dislike was surely steeped in sexism of course, but nobody will admit they hated her for being a woman with too much power and influence. Instead, people built a narrative about her that she was untrustworthy. Now that open sexism is quite unfashionable, people who may actually be open to the idea of a woman president are still left with a vague sense that Hillary is not to be trusted. Because to accept her now is to admit that your opinion of her in the 90’s and early 2000s was bigoted. Better to hold on to the false narrative than to admit something like _that_. Although it’s shitty news for Hillary, who will never be able to be President, it’s good news for other women. It’s not exactly _easy_ for a woman to win the presidency, but there is definitely some hope, especially if that woman is Republican. A Democrat woman will be demonized the same way Hillary was, but a Republican woman will cut a lot of those objections at the source where people might be willing to accept a woman, as long as she’s _our_ woman. ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-usa-is-not-now-and-may-never-be-ready-for-a-woman-president/794371/228 "2018-09-28T19:01:54Z")
They said the same about a black man (Colin Powell) and yet the Democratic party was the one that managed it. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-usa-is-not-now-and-may-never-be-ready-for-a-woman-president/794371/229 "2018-09-28T21:49:56Z")
> [@Mosier](#): > > people … are still left with a vague sense that Hillary is not to be trusted. I’ve just been to a dinner and the speaker was [Iain Dey](https://www.prweek.com/article/1461846/sunday-times-business-editor-joins-edelman-financial-practice-smithfield), formerly the business editor for the Sunday times who spent some years in Washington. He described both Hilary Clinton and Trump as corrupt. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2018, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-usa-is-not-now-and-may-never-be-ready-for-a-woman-president/794371/230 "2018-09-29T16:49:35Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > He’s leaving them alone and he’s presiding over a booming economy with low unemployment. That will do for them. Of course, how long the economy will continue to boom when Trump’s tariffs start to bite is an interesting question. Only interesting to prognosticators who have a compulsive NEED to accurately predict the future down to the millisecond, and the economic catastrophe down to the half- farthing. Those of us who see the inevitability of the various and sundry catastrophes that his administration is facilitating are satisfied that he and all his works need to be gone YESTERDAY. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2018, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-usa-is-not-now-and-may-never-be-ready-for-a-woman-president/794371/231 "2018-09-29T17:43:29Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Those of us who see the inevitability… will be dismissed as talking unverifiable rubbish and reminded that the track record of so-called experts has not been good. They’re doing fine right now, TYVM and that’s what they see. ---
**Author:** ![fedman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/278dde/32.png) [@fedman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fedman)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 9:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-usa-is-not-now-and-may-never-be-ready-for-a-woman-president/794371/232 "2018-10-01T09:03:46Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > The last candidate to get more popular votes while still losing the electoral college was a Senator for eight years just like Hillary Clinton was – but he followed it up with eight years as VP instead of four years as SoS; and all of that was after he spent eight years in the House of Representatives, like Hillary Clinton didn’t. > > Do you think Gore would’ve beaten Trump? Even though Gores have been elected for generations, he couldn’t carry his own state. And Hilary ran a terrible campaign (did she not listen to Bill?) ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-usa-is-not-now-and-may-never-be-ready-for-a-woman-president/794371/233 "2018-10-04T18:02:57Z")
I believe Nikki Haley may be our first female POTUS. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2018, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-usa-is-not-now-and-may-never-be-ready-for-a-woman-president/794371/234 "2018-10-04T18:36:04Z")
Nikki Haley? Mooselini with verbal ability? My gorge rises. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2019, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-usa-is-not-now-and-may-never-be-ready-for-a-woman-president/794371/235 "2019-05-14T00:55:46Z")
Bump of old thread: With Biden soaring to the lead of the Democratic pack (and looking likely to stay there,) and Trump being the default favorite to win the Republican nomination in 2020 again (unless some true GOP challenger comes against him,) it doesn’t look like a woman is going to get elected in 2020. And if Biden wins (he’d be favored to,) then presumably he’d run in 2024 for reelection, meaning a woman wouldn’t have a serious shot at the presidency from the Democratic side until 2028. ---
**Author:** ![Gray\_Ghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c0e974/32.png) [@Gray\_Ghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gray_Ghost)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2019, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-usa-is-not-now-and-may-never-be-ready-for-a-woman-president/794371/236 "2019-05-14T01:00:58Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Bump of old thread: With Biden soaring to the lead of the Democratic pack (and looking likely to stay there,) and Trump being the default favorite to win the Republican nomination in 2020 again (unless some true GOP challenger comes against him,) it doesn’t look like a woman is going to get elected in 2020. And if Biden wins (he’d be favored to,) then presumably he’d run in 2024 for reelection, meaning a woman wouldn’t have a serious shot at the presidency from the Democratic side until 2028. Disagree. I think Senator Kamala Harris is going to give Biden a tremendous run for his money. I still think she loses the General Election, absent Trump getting sunk by a recession, but I think it’s premature to count her out. It’s early yet, regardless. For the OP, I’d have been fine with Condi Rice in the Oval Office. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2019, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-usa-is-not-now-and-may-never-be-ready-for-a-woman-president/794371/237 "2019-05-14T02:53:58Z")
It’s still too early to tell. Biden is obviously strong, but I read his strength as a desperation among Democratic-leaning voters to beat Trump. If any of the front-runners can convince the voters that they are electable, then they’ll be okay. I can’t imagine that Biden is the only one who’s electable, and to be honest, I think both Sanders and Biden have an age problem. But Sanders can compensate for that because he has a cult, and he has some new ideas. Biden is just the same old safe moderate shit the Democrats have been putting out there for years. And that might be what the Democrats want, but if Biden looks weak even for a moment, he’ll come back down to earth, and I suspect it’s a matter of time before he does. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2020, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-usa-is-not-now-and-may-never-be-ready-for-a-woman-president/794371/238 "2020-03-06T19:23:35Z")
☹ Not this year anyway… ---
**Author:** ![Hermitian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hermitian/32/470_2.png) [@Hermitian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hermitian)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2020, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-usa-is-not-now-and-may-never-be-ready-for-a-woman-president/794371/239 "2020-03-06T19:48:22Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > ☹ > > Not this year anyway… Gabbard is still in! LOL ---
**Author:** ![Kovitlac](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/2bfe46/32.png) [@Kovitlac](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kovitlac)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2020, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-usa-is-not-now-and-may-never-be-ready-for-a-woman-president/794371/240 "2020-03-09T16:51:54Z")
Eh, my dad is super conservative, and always said he’d vote for Condoleezza Rice if she ever ran (for whatever - wouldn’t necessarily have to be for President). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-usa-is-not-now-and-may-never-be-ready-for-a-woman-president/794371.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-usa-is-not-now-and-may-never-be-ready-for-a-woman-president/794371.md?page=13)