# "The Usual Supsects" -- I don't get it. SPOILERS!!!

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**Category:** Cafe Society\
**Created:** [June 13, 2007, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-usual-supsects-i-dont-get-it-spoilers/407794 "2007-06-13T00:57:03Z")\
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**Author:** ![Martini\_Enfield](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/martini_enfield/32/11123_2.png) [@Martini\_Enfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martini_Enfield)\
**Post date:** [June 15, 2007, 10:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-usual-supsects-i-dont-get-it-spoilers/407794/41 "2007-06-15T10:21:35Z")

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[QUOTE=Balance]  
Precisely my point. I didn’t mean that Kint made him up on the spot–I was suggesting (albeit somewhat facetiously) that Soze was a legend/persona Kint had long established to cover or support his own activities.  
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There’s also a school of thought which says that Keyser Soze was a pre-existing myth/legend appropriated by Kint for much the same reason, but not a myth/legend that he’d actually established.

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**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\
**Post date:** [June 15, 2007, 10:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-usual-supsects-i-dont-get-it-spoilers/407794/42 "2007-06-15T10:36:18Z")

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[QUOTE=Martini Enfield]  
There’s also a school of thought which says that Keyser Soze was a pre-existing myth/legend appropriated by Kint for much the same reason, but not a myth/legend that he’d actually established.  
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Well, his rivalry with Hungarian mobsters was accepted as part of the Soze mystique (FBI agent Baer talks about it as if it was a long-standing feud even though he wasn’t in the room when Verbal told the story about Soze’s family), so if Verbal had simply co-opted the Soze myth, either he added that element (and it’s such a major facet that at that point it makes no difference if Verbal is the original Soze or not) or decided to fulfill it by seeking out Hungarians to massacre.

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**Author:** ![Baldwin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baldwin/32/7264_2.png) [@Baldwin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baldwin)\
**Post date:** [June 15, 2007, 11:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-usual-supsects-i-dont-get-it-spoilers/407794/43 "2007-06-15T11:50:37Z")

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Regardless of what the fictional truth is, that Verbal guy tells a good story.

(Can a mod fix the thread title?)

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