# The verdict is in, and CBS is indeed guilty! **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 10, 2005, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-verdict-is-in-and-cbs-is-indeed-guilty/284087 "2005-01-10T19:37:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2005, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-verdict-is-in-and-cbs-is-indeed-guilty/284087/81 "2005-01-12T19:57:26Z")
As long as we’re on the subject, friend **Bricker** , please note the upper left hand of this post. It clearly identifies me. If you find my loquacity and opinions annoying, you need only look there to be advised, and then pick up your little basket and skip along, skip along… Admittely, it will be tough at first, but somehow, I think I can find the strength to go on… ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2005, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-verdict-is-in-and-cbs-is-indeed-guilty/284087/82 "2005-01-12T20:12:25Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I might be willing to pay you more to shut up, but it’s unlikely, considering how much you’re likely making under the current scheme. Yes, this job George Soros has given everyone on this board who disagrees with you, posting here while on the MoveOn payroll, is by far the best pay a stoopid lib’ruhl could hope for. It’s too bad we’re not smart like Armstrong Williams and can get your tax money for it, too. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2005, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-verdict-is-in-and-cbs-is-indeed-guilty/284087/83 "2005-01-12T20:20:49Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I might be willing to pay you more to shut up, but it’s unlikely, considering how much you’re likely making under the current scheme. Ah, a graduate of the Bill O’Reilly School of Political Discourse. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Biggles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/839c29/32.png) [@Mr.Biggles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Biggles)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2005, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-verdict-is-in-and-cbs-is-indeed-guilty/284087/84 "2005-01-12T20:29:46Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > They are still lying and covering up to this day. Ironic to hold that argument up considering this administration fights tooth and nail to deny so many FOIA requests and then has secret meetings to discuss public policy. Of course they have moved on to the next big lie: Social Security is going Broke! But’s that’s a matter in another thread. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2005, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-verdict-is-in-and-cbs-is-indeed-guilty/284087/85 "2005-01-12T20:34:24Z")
Pssst, **rjung** , how much are _you_ getting? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2005, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-verdict-is-in-and-cbs-is-indeed-guilty/284087/86 "2005-01-12T20:57:45Z")
Uh, you are talking about _money_ here, right? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2005, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-verdict-is-in-and-cbs-is-indeed-guilty/284087/87 "2005-01-12T21:38:04Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > [http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-09-14-memos-forgeries\_x.htm](http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-09-14-memos-forgeries_x.htm) > > Bit of a conflict there. Yes. Once Ms. Knox was advised that CBS had not authenticated the content of the memos – subsequent to the interview you quote - she clarified her story. I agree it’s a conflict. Why do I resolve the conflict in favor of her most recent statements, the ones made after she was in possession of all the facts – and you resolve the conflict to favor her earlier version? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2005, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-verdict-is-in-and-cbs-is-indeed-guilty/284087/88 "2005-01-12T21:40:30Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Yes, this job George Soros has given everyone on this board who disagrees with you, posting here while on the MoveOn payroll, is by far the best pay a stoopid lib’ruhl could hope for. It’s too bad we’re not smart like Armstrong Williams and can get your tax money for it, too. Ah, that would sting worse if I had defended Williams’ odious transaction. But I condemned it, of course. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2005, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-verdict-is-in-and-cbs-is-indeed-guilty/284087/89 "2005-01-12T21:44:20Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > …I agree it’s a conflict. Why do I resolve the conflict in favor of her most recent statements, the ones made after she was in possession of all the facts – and you resolve the conflict to favor her earlier version? Didn’t resolve. Noted conflict. Too wordy? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2005, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-verdict-is-in-and-cbs-is-indeed-guilty/284087/90 "2005-01-12T22:26:02Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Didn’t resolve. Noted conflict. Too wordy? Much better. Keep new habit. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2005, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-verdict-is-in-and-cbs-is-indeed-guilty/284087/91 "2005-01-12T22:40:41Z")
No. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2005, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-verdict-is-in-and-cbs-is-indeed-guilty/284087/92 "2005-01-13T00:57:34Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Pssst, **rjung** , how much are _you_ getting? I’m supposed to be getting _paid_ for this? :eek: ---
**Author:** ![annaplurabelle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/919ad9/32.png) [@annaplurabelle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/annaplurabelle)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2005, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-verdict-is-in-and-cbs-is-indeed-guilty/284087/93 "2005-01-13T20:11:13Z")
> [@Sam Stone](#): > > I do not think the word means what you think it means. Maybe. [Maybe not](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony#Usage_controversy). Appears there is a controversy re acceptable usage. I’m not big on semantics arguments myself, but I’m guessing the input re what is or isn’t ironic - from a pro-war, Bush-loving _Canadian_ - would be…er…_interesting_? Take it up with them (if you’re ever that bored, or say, _frustrated_), or agree to split the difference with me and blame it on _Alanis Morissette_. 😉 > [@](#): > > So you’ve got evidence of squat, and are dictionary challenged. The polls are only evidence of current majority views. If you disagree with those views, it is you who is in the minority. Not that it should matter - being in the minority doesn’t prove your views are wrong. It’s a faulty argument (argumentum ad populum). But I’m guessing you knew that already… ---
**Author:** ![manhattan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/manhattan/32/7_2.png) [@manhattan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/manhattan)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2005, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-verdict-is-in-and-cbs-is-indeed-guilty/284087/94 "2005-01-13T20:22:12Z")
Despite that a majority of Americans think the country is moving in the wrong direction (and don’t be fooled – there’s disagreement among those people about precisely how it’s moving in the wrong direction!) and opposition to the war in Iraq, the most recent numbers show that in fact [a majority of Americans approve of the way George W. Bush is handling his job as president](http://edition.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/01/10/poll/). ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2005, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-verdict-is-in-and-cbs-is-indeed-guilty/284087/95 "2005-01-13T20:37:28Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Yes, this job George Soros has given everyone on this board who disagrees with you, posting here while on the MoveOn payroll, is by far the best pay a stoopid lib’ruhl could hope for. It’s too bad we’re not smart like Armstrong Williams and can get your tax money for it, too. If you’d played your cards right, you could have, like Markos Zuniga of the Daily Kos, scored some Dean campaign money. [http://www.dailykos.net/archives/002972.html](http://www.dailykos.net/archives/002972.html) [http://zonkette.blogspot.com/2005/01/financially-interested-blogging.html](http://zonkette.blogspot.com/2005/01/financially-interested-blogging.html) ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2005, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-verdict-is-in-and-cbs-is-indeed-guilty/284087/96 "2005-01-13T20:41:23Z")
> [@manhattan](#): > > the most recent numbers show that in fact [a majority of Americans approve of the way George W. Bush is handling his job as president](http://edition.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/01/10/poll/). With 52 percent, an even higher percentage than his historic landslide in November. :rolleyes: I’m sure you’re proud. Only got 20 or so more points to gain to catch up with Clinton during his impeachment. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2005, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-verdict-is-in-and-cbs-is-indeed-guilty/284087/97 "2005-01-13T20:42:12Z")
Wow, **Manny** , a whopping 52 percent! You must be simply bursting with pride! Just as you say, it is, in fact, a majority. In fact, it is a whole two percentage points above luke-warm. A crushing avalanche of a landslide of a mandate! ---
**Author:** ![manhattan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/manhattan/32/7_2.png) [@manhattan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/manhattan)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2005, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-verdict-is-in-and-cbs-is-indeed-guilty/284087/98 "2005-01-13T20:55:04Z")
Hey, I just posted the facts. **APB** opined that a majority of people polled opposed the president and made her usual dark hints about stolen elections. In fact, despite that a majority disagree with the direction the nation is headed and that a majority disagree with the Iraq war, a majority also support the president. **APB** ’s posted opinion is proveably factually incorrect and is now settled beyond any doubt – at least until the next approval poll, of course. ---
**Author:** ![manhattan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/manhattan/32/7_2.png) [@manhattan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/manhattan)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2005, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-verdict-is-in-and-cbs-is-indeed-guilty/284087/99 "2005-01-13T20:58:57Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Only got 20 or so more points to gain to catch up with Clinton during his impeachment. Heh. Possibly for not dissimilar reasons – Americans don’t like very much to see their President get beat up unless they’re really convinced that he’s got it coming. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2005, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-verdict-is-in-and-cbs-is-indeed-guilty/284087/100 "2005-01-13T21:02:29Z")
The blip in Bush’s JAR was hardly a tsunami. 🙂 In fact, it probably was DUE to the tsunami, and the feel-goodness that people experienced about the money we gave. Wait a couple weeks and it’ll drift back down, baring any major news development in Bush’s favor. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-verdict-is-in-and-cbs-is-indeed-guilty/284087.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-verdict-is-in-and-cbs-is-indeed-guilty/284087.md?page=6)