# The Veterans town hall discussion thread - 9.7.16 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 7, 2016, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-veterans-town-hall-discussion-thread-9-7-16/765306 "2016-09-07T23:57:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2016, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-veterans-town-hall-discussion-thread-9-7-16/765306/101 "2016-09-09T00:44:54Z")
By “advise”, I mean a tactical suggestion, how to win a dirty game in a real world. And I don’t that much care if she is a warm and wonderful person, I care that she is not Donald Trump. I am still pretty pissed at her and Horndog Bill for that whole “Clintonista”, Republican Lite thing. I have neither forgiven nor forgotten. But she is not Donald Trump. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2016, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-veterans-town-hall-discussion-thread-9-7-16/765306/102 "2016-09-09T00:53:19Z")
And we get reminded of [Tailhook](http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/09/06/the-disgraced-and-little-known-generals-backing-donald-trump.html): > [@](#): > > Among the 88 generals and admirals who endorsed Donald Trump on Tuesday was a commander who once reportedly demanded President Obama produce his birth certificate, an Air Force general who was reprimanded for his role in a deadly 1996 crash, **four commanders who were present at one of the biggest scandals in Navy history** , and a special forces general known for spilling secrets and trying to turn military campaigns into religious crusades. Donny’s got a loverly bunch or coconuts behind him. True kindred spirits. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2016, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-veterans-town-hall-discussion-thread-9-7-16/765306/103 "2016-09-09T00:58:27Z")
> [@](#): > > …and a special forces general known for spilling secrets and trying to turn military campaigns into religious crusades… Him? Is he the guy who dressed in full uniform to witness at religious gatherings and tell them about how his God was bigger than Allah? Ah! I’ve forgotten his name! A good feeling, but it won’t last. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2016, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-veterans-town-hall-discussion-thread-9-7-16/765306/104 "2016-09-09T01:00:59Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Here we go again. :rolleyes: Does anyone EVER suggest to a man that he needs to warm up and talk about being a dad?? > > What the hell, people? Yes, they do. You definitely see this when the man is caught in a sex/marital scandal, right? But beyond that, for politicians who keep their genitals in their pants (or are discreet about it), it’s part and parcel of the process of building yourself as a brand designed to appeal to as many as possible, and if you have honest advisers who do not fear talking to you, they could very well give that advice. ---
**Author:** ![Some\_Call\_Me.Tim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@Some\_Call\_Me.Tim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Some_Call_Me.Tim)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2016, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-veterans-town-hall-discussion-thread-9-7-16/765306/105 "2016-09-09T03:44:42Z")
LAUER: Let me ask you something ahead of time that I’ll ask Mr. Trump in a half an hour. To the best of your ability tonight, can we talk about your qualities and your qualifications to be commander-in-chief and not use this as an opportunity to attack Mr. Trump, all right? And I’ll ask him the exact same thing. … LAUER: You heard me say to Mrs. Clinton, Secretary Clinton, and it didn’t completely work out toward the end there, as much as possible I’d like you to tell our veterans and our people at home why you are prepared for the role of commander-in-chief and try to keep the attacks to a minimum. We’ve had a year of that and maybe 60 more days of it. TRUMP: To a minimum, absolutely. LAUER: OK, perfect. To a minimum. I guess that’s a question of definition. In addition to the non-neutral sniping about Clinton, Lauer lied about asking Trump the ‘exact same thing.’ ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2016, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-veterans-town-hall-discussion-thread-9-7-16/765306/106 "2016-09-09T04:04:34Z")
> [@Some\_Call\_Me.Tim](#): > > LAUER: Let me ask you something ahead of time that I’ll ask Mr. Trump in a half an hour. To the best of your ability tonight, can we talk about your qualities and your qualifications to be commander-in-chief and not use this as an opportunity to attack Mr. Trump, all right? And I’ll ask him the exact same thing. > … > LAUER: You heard me say to Mrs. Clinton, Secretary Clinton, and it didn’t completely work out toward the end there, as much as possible I’d like you to tell our veterans and our people at home why you are prepared for the role of commander-in-chief and try to keep the attacks to a minimum. We’ve had a year of that and maybe 60 more days of it. > > TRUMP: To a minimum, absolutely. > > LAUER: OK, perfect. To a minimum. I guess that’s a question of definition. > > In addition to the non-neutral sniping about Clinton, Lauer lied about asking Trump the ‘exact same thing.’ Scum. I’m getting skeeved about the “horserace” promotion. I notice that MSNBC has stopped running Chris Hayes at 11:00 and put Brian Williams in there. It was too good to last. Williams is the ultimate horserace caller, and it’s a real loss. He’s a liar too. They will be grading Trump on the curve for two months, and pretending there’s nothing wrong. They’ll cover the campaigns in separate segments so that they can criticize Hillary without referring to the fact that her opponent is a fascist. It’s a real wow moment. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2016, 10:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-veterans-town-hall-discussion-thread-9-7-16/765306/107 "2016-09-09T10:07:26Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > 173 of Trump’s statements from the forum last night are… > > ready for this… > > Ah, you already know. > > MOSTLY FALSE! > > Now his handlers are ignoring questions about why 173 statements were mostly false, see, it’s Obama’s and Clinton’s fault for whatever. > > [PolitiFact: 173 of Trump’s statements were mostly false during forum](http://www.msnbc.com/craig-melvin/watch/173-of-trump-s-statements-were-mostly-false-760461891619) We can keep posting about Trump’s falsehoods – we could probably produce them as a compendium. In this election, I am convinced that truth probably doesn’t matter all that much, and it’s not like his falsehoods are being completely ignored. WaPo, NY Times, and even CNN have gotten out their fact checkers. Trump continues on unfazed. The problem is that the average voter is no longer really factoring in these sorts of things the way that most straight dopers typically do. Yes, we all see how much of a lying buffoon Trump is – but does the rest of the country see it that way. Unfortunately, I am afraid that the answer is no. This election is going to come down to the perceptions of largely uninformed white middle class voters who typically watch The Voice, Survivor, and Pawn Stars. America is losing itself and its place in the world, owing largely to dumber than pig shit voters. ---
**Author:** ![Anny\_Middon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bc79bd/32.png) [@Anny\_Middon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anny_Middon)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2016, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-veterans-town-hall-discussion-thread-9-7-16/765306/108 "2016-09-09T17:15:36Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Here we go again. :rolleyes: Does anyone EVER suggest to a man that he needs to warm up and talk about being a dad?? > > What the hell, people? While I agree with you 100% on this, I’ll point out that Hillary herself realizes [she has a problem with being perceived as cold.](http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2016/09/08/hillary-clinton-cites-tense-college-exam-as-lesson-in-controlling-emotions/) ---
**Author:** ![squidfood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a87d85/32.png) [@squidfood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squidfood)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2016, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-veterans-town-hall-discussion-thread-9-7-16/765306/109 "2016-09-09T17:23:04Z")
> [@Anny\_Middon](#): > > While I agree with you 100% on this, I’ll point out that Hillary herself realizes [she has a problem with being perceived as cold.](http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2016/09/08/hillary-clinton-cites-tense-college-exam-as-lesson-in-controlling-emotions/) While I agree that Clinton gets far more of this because woman, I also remember everyone telling “plank of wood” Gore to loosen up. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2016, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-veterans-town-hall-discussion-thread-9-7-16/765306/110 "2016-09-09T18:20:25Z")
> [@Anny\_Middon](#): > > While I agree with you 100% on this, I’ll point out that Hillary herself realizes [she has a problem with being perceived as cold.](http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2016/09/08/hillary-clinton-cites-tense-college-exam-as-lesson-in-controlling-emotions/) Yeah, as in [cold-blooded](http://www.rawstory.com/2013/10/space-lizard-alex-jones-obamacare-would-make-hitler-stalin-and-jeffrey-dahmer-absolutely-proud/). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-veterans-town-hall-discussion-thread-9-7-16/765306.md?page=5)