I’ve not read past this point, since I’ve not read any of these books yet and want to avoid spoilers. I didn’t see a list on LMB’s website, but wiki has this: Vorkosigan Saga - Wikipedia
Is this the order the OP mentions?
I wasn’t seeing much Vorkosigan love from the DC library, but it looks like they have some omnibus collections and audio books that cover most of the stories.
A balance is good, for sure – character-and-milieu.
My own sci-fi reading is definitely spotty. I have of course heard of Bradbury and his most renowned works, but have never read anything by him – in part, because of things heard (or imagined-heard) about him which tended to put me off; but I suspect these may be misapprehensions – likely, should try him.
Since you’ve clearly got this far in A Civil Campaign, I have little fear that the following will create spoiling.
Perhaps I’m a Scrooge, tending to go on more about the minority of the total of the Vorkosiverse which I don’t enjoy, than about the large majority which I do; but anyway, for me ACC was in very large measure, totally splendid and admirable. However, I find myself like a fair number of fans, in considering an on the whole extremely stylish and well-achieved novel, to be marred by the slapstick stuff that it contains – which last, strikes me as most embarrassingly, cringe-makingly silly and childish, and altogether unnecessary. I do feel that Bujold decidedly dropped the ball by including this nonsense; and to be honest, could almost wish that she had never thought of Enrique and his bloody butterbugs.
I started with Shards of Honor but have been reading them chronologically in the order presented in your list. I’m going to have to double back and read Falling Free soon.
Good luck finding them from the library. I have spent a small fortune on Kindle for them. Figures I’d fall for a series with 19 books/novellas.
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I find myself like a fair number of fans, in considering an on the whole extremely stylish and well-achieved novel, to be marred by the slapstick stuff that it contains – which last, strikes me as most embarrassingly, cringe-makingly silly and childish, and altogether unnecessary. I do feel that Bujold decidedly dropped the ball by including this nonsense; and to be honest, could almost wish that she had never thought of Enrique and his bloody butterbugs.
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What it comes down to is that I’m skeptical even Mark would take a gamble on something that ridiculous. I love bugs, as a general rule, and even I’m grossed out by the butter bugs. He’s supposed to be the one with business acumen. I almost feel like this side story is taking a potshot at his character for no reason at all. He was sufficiently and believably awkward and weird, it wasn’t necessary to push him into complete whackjob territory.
But the bugs make perfect sense. They’re like bees, only without stings. They eat waste product and give an edible back. And the terraforming opportunities alone are great. I’m very pro-butter bug.
Spice Weasel, hoping that you may now be some way further on in A Civil Campaign, and that “spoilage” won’t be occurring for you here (I’m afraid I don’t know how to operate the board’s “hide spoiler” facility).
I like the butterbugs and their product, in their own right, just fine – it’s only that I hate the unsubtle buffoonery in ACC, involving said creatures / substance. For me, the novel in its love-story; and national / Countship / familial politicking-and-finagling; aspects, is terrific: I just can’t comprehend what possessed the author to add in the silly, kids’-comic-like, downright embarrassing slapstick garbage. It just strikes me as – anything else aside – so unnecessary. Helena, I accept that I seem not to have had any exposure to classic comedy with wedding, and may thus be missing a trick; but even if that were not so, I think that (like your husband) I wouldn’t be able to enjoy the ACC crude clowning episodes.
Oh, OK, the slapstick stuff at the very end I can live without, but you’ve got to admit Enrique as attempted poet is worth the price of admission
Also, as a Shakespeare prof who does a lot with questions of gender and performance, may I just say how awesome the Vorrutyer clan follies are, especially when you read them with your Twelfth Night-colored glasses on? (One touch that I especially like is Dono wearing Pierre’s clothing – which is, I’m pretty sure, a deliberate nod to the fact that Viola in Twelfth Night makes a conscious effort to dress like Sebastian.) I also like the way that in this particular rewriting,
For sure, Enrique and his doings are a hoot – but I so loathe the goonery / clownery involving his “pets” and what they produce, that I can feel a bit torn as to whether – given the power – I would accord to the whole Enrique component of the book, thumbs “up”, or “down”.
I confess that I’ve never read or seen Twelfth Night. Feel, in the light of the above, that perhaps I should.
All of the little Shakespearean allusions / reimaginations are probably my favorite thing about these books. (On a vaguely related side note, Gregor is pretty clearly a Hamlet who got to live because somebody else already took care of the evil stepfather problem for him – and this confirms my general impression that Hamlet actually would have made an excellent, if eccentric, king if he’d ever gotten the chance.)
Shakey and Lois – perhaps an improbable alliance, but there we are ! (You mention upthread, the notion put out for people’s evaluation, that Miles = Shakespeare’s Richard III with a difference – desperate to stay off the throne, not to get on to it !) Food for thought, certainly.
Just had a quick read through one of my favourites (A Civil Campaign), and I notice that in addition to using British idioms, Barrayar has a “Not Proven” verdict - a unique feature of Scots law.
Okay. I guess I retract the butter bug criticism. It’s weird, but I thought it was used nicely to tell Mark and Kareen’s story I about died when Cordelia brought out the old make-out sofa for Kou and Drou. God, she is underhanded.
And I rather like Enrique. I’m partial to socially clueless geeks. (I didn’t mind the slapstick at all, I think the book would be mostly depressing otherwise.)
And the entire dinner scene, I cackled like a loon. My husband thought I was nuts. The pinnacle was Illyan, ‘‘So, Madame Versoisson…’’
And then it got very sad.
I’m so so so so happy Miles finally found his Lady Vorkosigan. I thought it was great, Miles having to learn that he can’t just steamroll all over everyone. The letter he wrote her spoke to hopeless the romantic in me. I wasn’t really sure if they were the right match in the beginning, but by the end I was thoroughly convinced. Did NOT see that proposal coming, though. I guess the threat of having Miles taken away from her forced her to recognize her true feelings for him.
And I can’t help pointing out that Ivan well and truly saved Miles’ ass this time, and all without being asked. I think he did it more out of a sense of duty to slap down a vile political opponent than to actually save Miles’ ass. That makes me like it more.
Re the slapstick (“critters” at the dinner party, and later the butter-fight) – de gustibus, I guess, and disputing is pointless. I hate the slapstick, you’re OK with it; and with Miles and Ekaterin finally successfully getting together, I find the book essentially upbeat – no reader is right or wrong.
Although he’s now an Auditor, has he had any particular reason to know about By? Standard behaviour for “spook” outfits, is beyond-paranoid secrecy and concealment…
Ah, yes, I’ve learned that all too well, trying to discuss it with my husband.
I was trying to share with him, completely out of context, Aral’s quote about the difference between reputation and honor. What he said about the pain of being praised by the world when you know inside you don’t deserve it, struck me so intensely in that moment that it actually made me cry. (Very unusual thing for a book to make me cry.)
I thought that would be safe to share with my husband because he’s read Barrayar and Shards of Honor and he knows all too well about Aral’s past on Komarr. So I just shared that bit with him, and he was like ‘‘AGHGH! You can’t tell me Aral is still alive! That’s a spoiler!’’