# The Walking Dead; 2.03 "Save the Last One " (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 31, 2011, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339 "2011-10-31T01:06:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Fubaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@Fubaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fubaya)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339/41 "2011-10-31T15:27:33Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > I won’t go as far as to say Shane is evil, but he is mercenary, and not in a good way. > > Given the time elapsed (weeks if not months), even if the farm has a generator, where are they getting fuel? The only way it makes sense is if they have windmills or hydro generators (and they haven’t shown a river or anything). How hard is it to make ethanol, and even if you can, would one be able to use it as a replacement for gas in a generator? Farms often have a large tank of fuel for all the machinery. My grandfather had one tractor and still kept a tank as large as a car behind the barn to fill up from. I dont know how long that would last, but you could only use the generators a couple of hours per week to stretch it out. Maybe they only have the power on now because its an emergency. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339/42 "2011-10-31T15:30:45Z")
Why are we calling Shane “mercenary”? Mercenaries fight for whomever pays them. He’s pragmatic. The hanging guy – anyone else think maybe he wasn’t dead when the Walkers found him? ::shudder:: ---
**Author:** ![Inthewater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Inthewater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inthewater)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339/43 "2011-10-31T15:34:04Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > Why are we calling Shane “mercenary”? Mercenaries fight for whomever pays them. He’s pragmatic. > > The hanging guy – anyone else think maybe he wasn’t dead when the Walkers found him? ::shudder:: Could be a way to explain it, if trying to stick to the canon of the books. Botched hanging or maybe just poorly timed. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339/44 "2011-10-31T15:45:24Z")
> [@Inthewater](#): > > Not everything in the comics is in the show, and I assume that applies to that sort of thing as well. > > At least, that was what Kirkman said. > > There have already been massive changes to the story and I like it, because then I have no idea what to expect. > > I loved this episode and what Shane did was bad, but it is definitely turning to “save our own, save others if we can”, much as it does in the comics later on. I think Shane’s actions were to save himself - not as much “save our own” - of course, he did also “save our own” so, there is something to that. ---
**Author:** ![limegreen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/82dd89/32.png) [@limegreen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/limegreen)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339/45 "2011-10-31T15:46:53Z")
**Cat Whisperer** , I was also chanting, “I don’t have to run faster than the bear. I just have to run faster than you.” ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339/46 "2011-10-31T16:00:55Z")
> [@salinqmind](#): > > I wouldn’t want to go find a island to live on. To what end? Defense of course. So you could have some peace of mind without having to worry that at any moment a damned zombie is going to attack you. Methodically eliminate any zombies on the island, and then you can relax for a bit. ---
**Author:** ![salinqmind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3ec8ea/32.png) [@salinqmind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/salinqmind)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339/47 "2011-10-31T16:09:29Z")
Thanks for the barn spoilers. Had no idea! OY! VEY! :eek: ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339/48 "2011-10-31T16:16:23Z")
> [@Lucretia](#): > > They’re justified-ish, actually. No. First of all, Otis’s dedication to “making it right” didn’t necessarily (and certainly needn’t, ethically) extend to sacrificing his own life. Secondly, Shane didn’t even have the decency to shoot the poor bastard in the head, so that he didn’t have to endure being torn apart. I sincerely hope Zombie Otis comes for his ass. ---
**Author:** ![Inthewater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Inthewater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inthewater)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339/49 "2011-10-31T16:21:27Z")
> [@DianaG](#): > > No. First of all, Otis’s dedication to “making it right” didn’t necessarily (and certainly needn’t, ethically) extend to sacrificing his own life. > > Secondly, Shane didn’t even have the decency to shoot the poor bastard in the head, so that he didn’t have to endure being torn apart. > > I sincerely hope Zombie Otis comes for his ass. Guessing that was to keep him alive and “appetizing” to the zombies. Screaming, fighting back would attract them more than a dead body and give his gimpy self a better chance to escape. I had the same thought as you, by the way. This is what I came up with. Also, I was thinking the same thing about the bear chasing you as others mentioned. If he’d not had the twisted or sprained ankle he would not have needed to shoot him. Just run faster. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339/50 "2011-10-31T16:22:00Z")
Salon has an insightful critique of the show: [Dear “Walking Dead”: Please shut up](http://www.salon.com/2011/10/31/dear_walking_dead_please_shut_up/) Sample: > [@](#): > > If Howard Hawks had directed last night’s episode, he would have boiled that awkward pop-psych conversation between Dale and Andrea by the Winnebago down to a series of terse gestures — and just three lines. Andrea opens the door of the vehicle just as Dale approaches and says her name. Andrea pauses for a moment and makes eye contact with Dale. Dale produces a pistol and extends it butt-first; Andrea takes the gun, looks at it for a moment, then says, “I’ll take watch.” Dale says “Glad you’re back” and goes inside. Andrea climbs the ladder to the RV’s roof. Aaaand scene. ---
**Author:** ![UncleRojelio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/unclerojelio/32/3160_2.png) [@UncleRojelio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleRojelio)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339/51 "2011-10-31T16:22:02Z")
I’ll just chime in with the “enough of the missing girl schtick”. I’m starting not to care if she is alive or zombie. If Shane had put a little more thought into their mission, he could have saved Carl without losing half his team. Been back sooner too. Idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Inthewater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Inthewater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inthewater)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339/52 "2011-10-31T16:24:25Z")
Also, as far as the whole issue of Otis shooting Carl, it was an honest accident (one that happens a lot in real life) and to top it off, Carl had camo and earth tones on and was likely blocked completely by the deer. Were you to walk the woods during hunting season (every day is hunting season in the world Otis and friends live in) you’d be taking a serious risk. It sucked, but I don’t see Otis making a big error, just bad timing. ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339/53 "2011-10-31T16:46:33Z")
I don’t think there’s going to be an ending right away to the lost kid thing. I caught a flash from next week when they’re back on the road, and there’s a car windshield that has a message to her. At least that’s what I think it was, I couldn’t read the whole thing. ---
**Author:** ![Inthewater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Inthewater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inthewater)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339/54 "2011-10-31T16:59:50Z")
Also, as someone else mentioned, Reedus as Daryl is really stealing the show lately. I expect to see him die, just because that is how Kirkman rolls. Really an under-rated actor. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339/55 "2011-10-31T17:03:57Z")
> [@DianaG](#): > > No. First of all, Otis’s dedication to “making it right” didn’t necessarily (and certainly needn’t, ethically) extend to sacrificing his own life. I’m really surprised how many people seem to think Shane’s act of murder was justified in some way. Just goes to show you how we can all see the same think and walk away with different interpretations. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339/56 "2011-10-31T17:12:45Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > I’m really surprised how many people seem to think Shane’s act of murder was justified in some way. Just goes to show you how we can all see the same think and walk away with different interpretations. 1. Had one of them not died, both of them probably would have 2. Had they both died, Carl probably would have died as well. Justified? Probably not. Rationalized? Yes, absolutely. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339/57 "2011-10-31T17:13:23Z")
While I liked the show, they’re doing too much of the “fall and someone gets their ankles hurt so they have to limp” thing. The little girl fell while being chased a few episodes ago, this week both Otis and Shane were limping. Its like Star Wars and its fetish of cutting off hands ---
**Author:** ![Inthewater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Inthewater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inthewater)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339/58 "2011-10-31T17:27:19Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > While I liked the show, they’re doing too much of the “fall and someone gets their ankles hurt so they have to limp” thing. The little girl fell while being chased a few episodes ago, this week both Otis and Shane were limping. Its like Star Wars and its fetish of cutting off hands I agree with what you are saying, but on the other hand it is nice to see people fall or drop 20 feet and not just bounce up and keep running. Especially Otis. That would be a lot of weight coming down. Andrea also fell and looked to have twisted her ankle a bit when the walker attacked her right before Maggie arrived. It is over used. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339/59 "2011-10-31T17:28:50Z")
> [@Inthewater](#): > > I agree with what you are saying, but on the other hand it is nice to see people fall or drop 20 feet and not just bounce up and keep running. > > Especially Otis. That would be a lot of weight coming down. > > Andrea also fell and looked to have twisted her ankle a bit when the walker attacked her right before Maggie arrived. > > It is over used. but of all the injuries that make you more at risk in a zombie world - its the ankles and knees - wouldn’t be much of a show if the zombies were always easy to get away from. (that was meant as a response to yogsouth) ---
**Author:** ![Inthewater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Inthewater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inthewater)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339/60 "2011-10-31T17:39:55Z")
> [@simster](#): > > but of all the injuries that make you more at risk in a zombie world - its the ankles and knees - wouldn’t be much of a show if the zombies were always easy to get away from. > > (that was meant as a response to yogsouth) Yeah, obviously missing a hand, or any other important body part from the knees up, seems to be okay. Just don’t lose a leg like Dale. 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339.md?page=4)