# The Walking Dead; 2.03 "Save the Last One " (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 31, 2011, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339 "2011-10-31T01:06:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Inthewater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Inthewater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inthewater)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339/81 "2011-10-31T20:20:26Z")
> [@Fubaya](#): > > Also, when they show the boy laying in bed sweating from fever or gunshot wound or whatever, am I the only one that thinks, ‘hey, who left a hot Carl on the bed?’ /rimshot 🙂 Well played. ---
**Author:** ![UncleRojelio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/unclerojelio/32/3160_2.png) [@UncleRojelio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleRojelio)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339/82 "2011-10-31T20:46:57Z")
> [@SykoSkotty](#): > > As far as Shane shaving his head : a missing chunk of hair is a lot less obvious if the entire head is shaved, versus a full, thick head of hear with a chunk missing. I don’t think so. If anything it makes it even more obvious. Afterall, he didn’t actually shave his head, he just went over it with clippers. That bald spot should stick out like, well, a bald spot. > [@SykoSkotty](#): > > I think he did it to cover up the fact that Otis pulled a chunk of his hair out because there’s really no other way to explain it. He sure as heck couldn’t say a zombie did it. Sure he could. He could say that when he jumped out the window a zombie had a handful of his hair. Hell, that is darn near the truth. The writers on this show need to start giving some of these things a few seconds more thought. ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339/83 "2011-10-31T20:58:06Z")
😕 I don’t get it. :o Edit: This was in reference to the “hot Carl on the bed” joke. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339/84 "2011-10-31T21:00:28Z")
Maybe they’ll do with Sophie what they do all the time with kids on soap operas: when she comes out of the woods she’ll have aged overnight into a buxom 18 year wildchild played by a different actress. ---
**Author:** ![SykoSkotty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c0e974/32.png) [@SykoSkotty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SykoSkotty)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339/85 "2011-10-31T21:01:19Z")
> [@UncleRojelio](#): > > I don’t think so. If anything it makes it even more obvious. Afterall, he didn’t actually shave his head, he just went over it with clippers. That bald spot should stick out like, well, a bald spot. > > Sure he could. He could say that when he jumped out the window a zombie had a handful of his hair. Hell, that is darn near the truth. > > The writers on this show need to start giving some of these things a few seconds more thought. You should write for the show. ---
**Author:** ![UncleRojelio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/unclerojelio/32/3160_2.png) [@UncleRojelio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleRojelio)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339/86 "2011-10-31T21:05:55Z")
> [@SykoSkotty](#): > > You should write for the show. I would but for the cut in pay. ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339/87 "2011-10-31T21:23:10Z")
> [@MacTech](#): > > Mediocre until the final few minutes when we get the reveal that Shane used Otis as Purina Zombie Chow > > However, on a side note, am I the only one who really hates that stupid smarmy prat host of “The Talking Dead”? if anyone deserves to be fed to the Zombies it’s that annoying prat Indeed. I was piss bored. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339/88 "2011-10-31T22:49:52Z")
I watched the first _Talking Dead_, and thought it sucked, so I haven’t watched since. I like the show just fine, and I don’t need some dumb-ass commentary afterwards. ---
**Author:** ![MaddyStrut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/dbc845/32.png) [@MaddyStrut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaddyStrut)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339/89 "2011-10-31T22:54:08Z")
> [@Fubaya](#): > > Farms often have a large tank of fuel for all the machinery. My grandfather had one tractor and still kept a tank as large as a car behind the barn to fill up from. I dont know how long that would last, but you could only use the generators a couple of hours per week to stretch it out. Maybe they only have the power on now because its an emergency. That’s been my experience (although we got a bit more than a few hours a week). You have to be careful with fuel because the water pumps require electricity and no water is very, very bad on a farm. (It pretty much sucks everywhere, but moreso when you have to fill up large animal water tanks every day). We pretty much put the fridge and the pumps on the generator all day, and lights were limited. However, I’m going to cut the writers some slack for the lights since the scenes would be really hard to see if every room but one used for surgery was lit by lantern. No excuse for Shane’s shower though!. Even when the electric was on, my grandfather would be banging on the bathroom door if I wasted that much hot water! With the generator running, it was navy showers with COLD water. :eek: We were talking today about whether Shane was evil or not, and someone brought up the fact that they couldn’t see Darryl shooting someone else in the leg like that. For all he’s seen by the group as a bad guy, none of us can imagine him doing anything other than fighting it out till the end without shooting the other guy. And, to a one, we’re all sick of the missing kid story. How far away can one 12 year old kid get anyway? ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339/90 "2011-10-31T23:26:49Z")
> [@Fubaya](#): > > I can’t wait until a zombie Otis comes back to the farm, they shoot him and during burial notice a 9mm hole in his leg, perform another dissection and confront Shane. I guess he could always claim he was trying to give Otis a mercy shot after the zombies got him. > [@Spoke](#): > > Probably the assumption that any surviving remnants of the military would have retreated there. (Remember, Rick spotted a helicopter earlier.) Also, possibly the opportunity to obtain weapons]… Spoiler for the “this season” montage that followed the season premiere. There was a brief scene of Rick & co looking up at _multiple_ military helicopters flying past them in the night sky. I hope that’ll be a major plot point unlike last season. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2011, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339/91 "2011-10-31T23:47:23Z")
> [@Inthewater](#): > > Grenades could be handy as well as burning, but grenades will just attract other walkers and other people (good or bad) and fire bombs would take forever, and then you would have flaming zombies walking all around until enough damage was done to the brain to stop them. > > I see what you mean, though. > > For me, it would be a chopping or cutting instrument of some kind, maybe two. Grenades and fire are close to the WORST possible weapons to use against zombies. Grenades work on people by damaging limbs with shrapnel. Zombies don’t give a shit about damaged limbs and shrapnel. Sure you might do enough damage to a leg to make it a crawler but overall the damage isn’t going to be severe enough to be worth it. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339/92 "2011-11-01T00:05:15Z")
How do TWD zombies react to fire anyway? Romero’s zombies fear it and instinctivly recoil from it; WWZ zombies ignore it, don’t even notice being onfire, and just keep moving around setting everything else on fire until they’re too damaged to move. Does the comic address this? ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339/93 "2011-11-01T00:15:47Z")
Shane gave Otis a chance. Hey my leg’s messed up, you take the bags and go on. If Otis had just listened to him… But no, he had to be noble, but Shane’s no idjit, he knew there was no way either of them would make it without a distraction. Otis won’t let Shane be the distraction, so suck it Otis. Shane thinks of Carl as his own kid pretty much, he had to get that stuff back to save him, by any means necessary. Not sayin’ it wasn’t still a low down dirty thing to do, but I can see where he was comin’ from. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339/94 "2011-11-01T00:18:13Z")
> [@Inthewater](#): > > We’re talking about implications of what happens in the comic versus what has happened or what may happen in the series. > > It seems like valid discussion.\ > > If a Moderator or Admin has an issue with this sort of discussion, I will politely refrain. It doesn’t seem like a valid discussion to me if these threads are just about the tv show, but I’ll bow to the wishes of the OP - if he wants a thread with discussion of the books and the tv show, I’ll stop complaining. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339/95 "2011-11-01T00:21:06Z")
> [@TBG](#): > > \ > > Not sayin’ it wasn’t still a low down dirty thing to do, but I can see where he was comin’ from. It’s a low down dirty world they’re living in. I’m a little surprised at my own defence of Shane - I’m certainly no fan of his, but I can see the justification for doing what he did, and I grudgingly admit that he did the best thing he could in the situation (but having a plan that included actually getting back to the truck would have been better). ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339/96 "2011-11-01T01:57:26Z")
Yeah, I know they were in a hurry and all, but Shane and Otis going into that trailer without an exit strategy was just stupid, stupid, stupid. I wonder if they couldn’t have tried to lure the zombies away from that area using their truck, then gone back and gotten in and out with the supplies they needed. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339/97 "2011-11-01T02:29:24Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > I’m a little surprised at my own defence of Shane - I’m certainly no fan of his, but I can see the justification for doing what he did, and I grudgingly admit that he did the best thing he could in the situation (but having a plan that included actually getting back to the truck would have been better). I notice there’s a sharp contrast between what Shane did to Otis and what Rick did to Earl in season one. Rick admitted what he did and gave solid reasons for his actions. Shane is keeping his actions a secret because he knows what he did was wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Batsinma\_Belfry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ea5d25/32.png) [@Batsinma\_Belfry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Batsinma_Belfry)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339/98 "2011-11-01T02:45:30Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > Did we decide to leave the comics/books out of the threads on the tv show? Because if we didn’t, could we? I have no interest in reading them; I just come here to discuss the tv show. This. Although I do appreciate the book spoilers actually being put in spoiler boxes. _And you book readers have not been giant poot heads, like some the ones in the Game of Thrones thread, (before they were segregated)._ 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ExTank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/35a633/32.png) [@ExTank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ExTank)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339/99 "2011-11-01T03:00:26Z")
> [@Tangent](#): > > Yeah, I know they were in a hurry and all, but Shane and Otis going into that trailer without an exit strategy was just stupid, stupid, stupid. I wonder if they couldn’t have tried to lure the zombies away from that area using their truck, then gone back and gotten in and out with the supplies they needed. Yup. It’s what I’d have done. Look at a local map, and figure out a loop route away from the farm. Drive up close, and do a recon. If there’s Walkers, drop Otis a ways back (he knows what supplies are needed), and then Shane can drive up in the truck, making noise and such, to draw the Walkers after him. He takes them on a merry chase away from the school and the farm. Otis slips in, gets the gear, and slips back down the road a bit (maybe have horse-girl standing by with her horse, if necessary) and hides out until Shane can step on the gas and leave all the Walkers behind. Loop back on a different road, pick up Otis, and boogey on back to the farm. ---
**Author:** ![obfusciatrist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4af34b/32.png) [@obfusciatrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/obfusciatrist)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339/100 "2011-11-01T03:33:11Z")
As for whether Shane is a bad person or pragmatic, I’m going to have to go with bad. He may be able to offer a rationalization for this incident, but just a couple days prior (in the story) he did attempt rape. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339.md?page=6)