# The Walking Dead; 2.03 "Save the Last One " (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 31, 2011, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339 "2011-10-31T01:06:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339/101 "2011-11-01T03:59:14Z")
as for the failed exit strategy - why did the walkers return to the trailer anyway? seems to me they should be like cows for the most part and once led to a new area, pretty much stay there. Once the noise was being made, sure, I can see them all come running - but until then??? ---
**Author:** ![ryan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a8b319/32.png) [@ryan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ryan)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339/102 "2011-11-01T04:13:55Z")
> [@Fubaya](#): > > Did anyone notice what happened to Rick’s revolver? Shane wrestled it away from Otis, but it won’t really jive with Shane’s story if it’s found in his possession. His story is that they were low on ammo and down to using pistols with only a couple rounds left when Otis dropped back to cover him. So if they find the gun, then what will he say, Otis have it to him and dropped back to cover him with kung fu? Shane told Rick that he and Otis were “down to 10 rounds” when Otis dropped back to cover him. They were each down to 1 _pistol_ round when he actually shot Otis and Otis fired his last shot after that while struggling with Shane. Otis and Shane had both exhausted the ammo for their long guns, Shane’s shotgun and Otis’ hunting rifle, but it could have easily been the other way around. Otis could have given the empty python back to Shane to take back to Rick just before his heroic last stand using his rifle. I examined the last few seconds of Otis becoming zombie chow frame-by-frame and there are some blurry and indistinct images of what could be the python in Shanes’s hand as he looks back. It may, however have a large amount of fresh, non-zombie blood on it from Shane clubbing Otis’ head. Not a clear indicator of what actually happened. Otis could have been injured in many ways during their excursion and bled on it. The bullet in the leg of his body could be an issue, but they’d have to encounter him or recover his body and the bullet must have either lodged in his bone or not been swallowed by a zombie in a mouthful of leg meat. At point-blank range the bullet most likely punched right thru his leg, whether it hit bone or not. If the bone struck was shattered by the bullet, you’d then need someone to examine the bone and be able to tell the difference between a bullet strike and a bone broken open for the marrow to be sucked out. Unlikely, I’d say. As for Shane’s actions? In the crap-sack world of WD? He _knew_ he couldn’t outrun the dead and Otis had refused to leave him behind and take the supplies back to save Carl’s life. It became a choice between Shane, Otis and Carl certainly dying or Otis dying, Shane living and Carl having a chance. Otis shot Carl. Yes, it was a total accident, but Shane obviously cares about him. He’s his best friend/partner’s son as well as being the son of His best friend/partner’s wife, a woman with whom he was/is romantically evolved. Otis was a near stranger. He’s still obviously traumatized by his actions, regardless of whatever justification or rationalization he has for them. And yeah, they were both damn morons for not considering an exfiltration strategy. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339/103 "2011-11-01T04:23:39Z")
I’m not sure if either of these things were said yet but the two things that really caught me attention are: 1) > [@Fubaya](#): > > I can’t wait until a zombie Otis comes back to the farm, they shoot him and during burial notice a 9mm hole in his leg, perform another dissection and confront Shane. This. Why didn’t Shane shoot him in the head? This way human Otis wouldn’t be able to do anything about it and if for some reason they would ever come across his body and see the bullet hole he could say “Zombies bit him, I shot him in the head.” It would have been perfectly acceptable and no one would have questioned it. 2)When they found hanging guy…why the hell didn’t they check in the tent for the kid? ---
**Author:** ![Glory](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/7cd45c/32.png) [@Glory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Glory)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339/104 "2011-11-01T04:30:23Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > 2)When they found hanging guy…why the hell didn’t they check in the tent for the kid? Would a kid stay in the tent with a loud, stinky zombie straining to get back to the ground, right outside? ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339/105 "2011-11-01T04:37:35Z")
> [@Glory](#): > > Would a kid stay in the tent with a loud, stinky zombie straining to get back to the ground, right outside? It’s certainly worth checking out. They checked the corpse inside the other foul smelling tent. ---
**Author:** ![palacheck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a88e57/32.png) [@palacheck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/palacheck)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339/106 "2011-11-01T05:10:13Z")
They should name the show itself to The Talking Dead. Christ. Here’s the template the writers use: Scene 1: [sappy/over-acted scene bogged down with unnecessary dialogue.] Cut to commercial. Scene 2: [stupidity of one or more characters leads to over-acted scene with a contrived crisis and cliffhanger] Cut to commercial. Scene 3: [sappy/over-acted scene bogged down with unnecessary dialogue.] Cut to commercial. Scene 4: [stupidity of one or more characters leads to over-acted scene with a contrived crisis and cliffhanger] Cut to commercial. etc. etc. I don’t require constant action, and I have a fairly high tolerance for endless dialogue(my favorite show is Boardwalk Empire, after all) but this show is going nowhere–slowly! I’m looking forward to next week’s very special episode of Touched by a Zombie. ---
**Author:** ![Sweetums](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Sweetums](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sweetums)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339/107 "2011-11-01T13:53:34Z")
> [@Glory](#): > > Would a kid stay in the tent with a loud, stinky zombie straining to get back to the ground, right outside? ``` Well, considering that the kid in question is really dumb, in a world where dumb and ultimately fatal decisions are the norm , yeah she would. ``` This show seems to exist in a world where natural selection got distracted by something shiny and wandered off. Yes, I watch it for the snark value, why do you ask? 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339/108 "2011-11-01T14:09:29Z")
> [@palacheck](#): > > I don’t require constant action, and I have a fairly high tolerance for endless dialogue(my favorite show is Boardwalk Empire, after all) but this show is going nowhere–slowly! This is what I was thinking during the episode. When the show involves repeated scenes of separate characters sitting in silence on the same porch throughout the show, the show is literally going nowhere. The status of each of the kids in peril changed very little - even Carl remains in jeopardy although the outlook is better. Until the last minute of the show, this one was kind of painful to sit through. ---
**Author:** ![Woeg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/df705f/32.png) [@Woeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Woeg)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339/109 "2011-11-01T14:30:37Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > I’m not sure if either of these things were said yet but the two things that really caught me attention are: > 1) > > This. Why didn’t Shane shoot him in the head? This way human Otis wouldn’t be able to do anything about it and if for some reason they would ever come across his body and see the bullet hole he could say “Zombies bit him, I shot him in the head.” It would have been perfectly acceptable and no one would have questioned it. > > 2)When they found hanging guy…why the hell didn’t they check in the tent for the kid? Fanwanking, but my answers are: 1. A zombies interest in dead/dying flesh is clearly limited. The hanging zom had most of one leg devoured, but the other one looked like it was much less chewed upon. Shane has no way of knowing how long a zombie would be interested in dead flesh. Plus, horrible as it is to say, the screams of a person being eaten alive will definitely focus the zoms attention as the other guy quietly slips away. 2. Darryl mentioned that the zombie was so frantic because it likely hadnt been that close to “food” since it turned. If the girl had been in the tent, the zombie would have been flipping out the whole time, and not just as Darryl and Andrea approached. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339/110 "2011-11-01T14:44:23Z")
> [@Woeg](#): > > 1. Darryl mentioned that the zombie was so frantic because it likely hadnt been that close to “food” since it turned. If the girl had been in the tent, the zombie would have been flipping out the whole time, and not just as Darryl and Andrea approached. I still can’t believe they didn’t check. Even if to see if she was dead. I can only assume they did check, but it’s on the editing room floor. I mean, really, it would have taken Darryl, what, 2 seconds to open the flap and say ‘nothin’, it’s empty’ and keep moving. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339/111 "2011-11-01T15:37:55Z")
One would think that even a stupid kid would come running out at hearing talking humans they recognize. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339/112 "2011-11-01T15:41:12Z")
Count me in with one of the people who’d like to keep the comic book discussion seperate. People have been good about spoiler boxing, but it’s tedious to read through a thrid of the posts in the thread with bit and pieces of information between spoiler boxes. Can we do what we did with the game of thrones and just have one big continuous thread for the people to discuss the comic book as it relates to the TV show, and keep the episodic threads about the TV show only? ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339/113 "2011-11-01T15:47:18Z")
> [@simster](#): > > One would think that even a stupid kid would come running out at hearing talking humans they recognize. One would think of a lot of things that logical people would do in this [general Zombieland not specific] situation…one usually isn’t right when it comes to this show because this show isn’t exactly logical. Hell, I’ve given up on the Talking Dead as being an utter waste of time. I was all amped up for the first one thinking it was going to fill in some of the gaps only to find out they had Patton Oswald on…really? On the second one they had the writer/creator who sounded like a broken record saying “I can’t tell you that” The show is kind of a joke, but at least it’s entertaining as long as I don’t pick it apart to much. If you treat it like Breaking Bad it won’t be worth watching. You have to think of it more along the lines of a sitcom that isn’t really designed to hold up to scrutiny. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339/114 "2011-11-01T15:59:30Z")
Also, what was Dale doing when he left Carol up on top of the RV and went wandering off? The only thing I could think off is that he was smoking one of Darryl’s cigarettes since he was playing with the pack and appeared to hide it when she climbed up there. ---
**Author:** ![Fubaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@Fubaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fubaya)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339/115 "2011-11-01T16:00:50Z")
I’m not so much concerned with checking the tent for the girl, but i would have checked it for supplies. They constantly pass up dead soldiers, humvees and everything else that i would be checking for weapons and supplies. > [@ryan](#): > > Shane told Rick that he and Otis were “down to 10 rounds” when Otis dropped back to cover him. They were each down to 1 _pistol_ round when he actually shot Otis and Otis fired his last shot after that while struggling with Shane. Otis and Shane had both exhausted the ammo for their long guns, Shane’s shotgun and Otis’ hunting rifle, but it could have easily been the other way around. Otis could have given the empty python back to Shane to take back to Rick just before his heroic last stand using his rifle. I’d have to watch it again but didn’t he say they were down to pistols either when he first arrived back at the farm or during the memorial service? If he did and the python shows up, it could blow his story of anyone puts two and two together. And i agree zombie Otis won’t show up. The school was 5 miles away, but i think shane’s actions will come to light somehow. ---
**Author:** ![obfusciatrist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4af34b/32.png) [@obfusciatrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/obfusciatrist)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339/116 "2011-11-01T16:21:46Z")
I’m fine with fast zombies. I’m fine with slow zombies. But pick a speed. Shane and Otis could just barely outrun the mob of them when they were on good legs. Then they could just barely outrun them when they were on bad legs. Then they could outrun them well enough on bad legs so that they had time to fall to the ground and give speeches without the zombies catching up to them. The zombies have a well defined speed: whatever speed is necessary for them to be three feet behind you. ---
**Author:** ![Inthewater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Inthewater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inthewater)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339/117 "2011-11-01T16:30:00Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Count me in with one of the people who’d like to keep the comic book discussion seperate. People have been good about spoiler boxing, but it’s tedious to read through a thrid of the posts in the thread with bit and pieces of information between spoiler boxes. > > Can we do what we did with the game of thrones and just have one big continuous thread for the people to discuss the comic book as it relates to the TV show, and keep the episodic threads about the TV show only? It wasn’t noted anywhere that this sort of discussion was not allowed, and to be fair, someone asked for a comic reader to say what was in the barn in the comics. We got excited and started chatting about the implications of what is going on. Guess we will refrain from doing that anymore. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339/118 "2011-11-01T17:58:16Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Can we do what we did with the game of thrones and just have one big continuous thread for the people to discuss the comic book as it relates to the TV show, and keep the episodic threads about the TV show only? Yeah, I second this. People have been good about spoilers, but there’s still a lot of “Wait til they get to the barn” talk and such. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339/119 "2011-11-01T18:15:38Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Yeah, I second this. People have been good about spoilers, but there’s still a lot of “Wait til they get to the barn” talk and such. Amen. Very rude and spoilerish. And I say that as someone who has read the books, but is not about to give away or even hint at plot developments. ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339/120 "2011-11-01T18:18:10Z")
> [@ryan](#): > > And yeah, they were both damn morons for not considering an exfiltration strategy. Our heroes need to invest in some “crybabies”- electronic noisemakers to distract/attract the walkers when they need to get out of situations like that. The simplest version could just be a tape recorder with, say, ten minutes of silence and then another ten minutes of human screaming. That’d at least give them a timed distraction. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-03-save-the-last-one-open-spoilers/601339.md?page=7)