# The Walking Dead; 2.07 "Pretty Much Dead Already" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 28, 2011, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-07-pretty-much-dead-already-open-spoilers/604298 "2011-11-28T01:30:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2011, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-07-pretty-much-dead-already-open-spoilers/604298/301 "2011-12-01T17:01:29Z")
> [@Spoke](#): > > If it helps you, may I suggest adding “I have read the Walking Dead comic books. Worship me!” as your sig line? Would that give you the validation you so obviously crave?) **stegon66** has not been observing the spoiler policy and I gave him a mod note about that the other day, but turning it into a personal issue is not helpful. Both of you need to stop the hostility now. ---
**Author:** ![BeeDubU2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@BeeDubU2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeeDubU2)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2011, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-07-pretty-much-dead-already-open-spoilers/604298/302 "2011-12-01T17:03:56Z")
Also, it has occurred to me that Shane, upon finding Rick (thought to be) dead in the hospital, internalized that he must from here on out take care of Lori and Carl as if they were his own. Lori bolstered that claim when she set up happy family time with Shane instead of treating him as a brother in law. I think Shane still looks at them as **his** family, with Rick interloping on his happiness. We don’t know what happened between them in the meantime, but it does strike me as odd that she would so willingly carry on with Shane. How much of their relationship was known to the group? This bugs me. ---
**Author:** ![stegon66](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee59a6/32.png) [@stegon66](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stegon66)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2011, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-07-pretty-much-dead-already-open-spoilers/604298/303 "2011-12-01T17:27:38Z")
Thanks, Marley. I misunderstood the policy when I saw “open spoilers” in the thread title - I assumed all topics were fair game now. Anyway, I’m sure everyone in the group knew about Shane and Lori. What’s surprising is that everyone kept the secret. I’m also surprised Lori went as far as she did with Shane, but then it’s been made apparent that her relationship with Rick was strained before the zombie apocalypse. I still think she treated Shane rather badly after Rick showed up. There was no need to be such a bitch. True, she only has Shane’s word that he thought Rick was dead, but still…damn. ---
**Author:** ![Lady\_of\_the\_Lake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e19adc/32.png) [@Lady\_of\_the\_Lake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lady_of_the_Lake)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2011, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-07-pretty-much-dead-already-open-spoilers/604298/304 "2011-12-01T17:29:59Z")
> [@Inthewater](#): > > At least one episode was written by a woman (Secrets) and it looks like episode 1 of season 2 may have been co-written by one. I did not know this, thanks for the update! Looking back, I’m not happy with my post. The writer’s gender really shouldn’t have even come to mind. It’s about the skill of the writer, not gender. I’m just surprised at myself as I find myself _actively disliking several of the women on the show (as does my husband, while watching he’ll occasionally mutter, ‘god I hate her.’_) Lori, Andrea and Maggie… I am really enjoying the show, but I admit I wouldn’t mind the addition of a Buffy type character, a woman kicking ass and not being all about drama, not manipulative, not bitchy and not whiny. She could pall around collecting ears with Darryl with nary a drama filled discussion in sight. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![stegon66](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee59a6/32.png) [@stegon66](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stegon66)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2011, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-07-pretty-much-dead-already-open-spoilers/604298/305 "2011-12-01T17:57:46Z")
Yeah, Lori and Andrea sure are acting like moody bitches. Maggie I think just likes fucking with Glenn because he seems so naive, though I understand she’s kinda stuck between her liking him and her loyalty to her family. She’s also damn cute. And yes, a Buffy-type is sorely needed. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2011, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-07-pretty-much-dead-already-open-spoilers/604298/306 "2011-12-01T18:17:31Z")
> [@Spoke](#): > > As for the half-zombie: Wow. Those were some of the creepiest, saddest and coolest bits of the whole series! ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2011, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-07-pretty-much-dead-already-open-spoilers/604298/307 "2011-12-01T18:34:55Z")
Edit: Erased a reply to stegon’s threadshitting. I wrote it before I read the mod notes to discontinue. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2011, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-07-pretty-much-dead-already-open-spoilers/604298/308 "2011-12-01T18:47:06Z")
Yeah, the women on this show leave a lot to be desired. We have the spectrum of bitchiness, and Carol, who is mostly kind of pathetic. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2011, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-07-pretty-much-dead-already-open-spoilers/604298/309 "2011-12-01T18:55:23Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > Wow. Those were some of the creepiest, saddest and coolest bits of the whole series! Agree. Makes me hope for some flashback webisodes along those lines showing how our characters dealt with the initial phases of the zombie apocalypse. Or even some full flashback TV episodes. ---
**Author:** ![Lady\_of\_the\_Lake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e19adc/32.png) [@Lady\_of\_the\_Lake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lady_of_the_Lake)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2011, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-07-pretty-much-dead-already-open-spoilers/604298/310 "2011-12-01T19:32:58Z")
> [@stegon66](#): > > Yeah, Lori and Andrea sure are acting like moody bitches. Maggie I think just likes fucking with Glenn because he seems so naive, though I understand she’s kinda stuck between her liking him and her loyalty to her family. She’s also damn cute. > > And yes, a Buffy-type is sorely needed. 😉 My husband has instructed the screen several times to just let Andrea kill herself already. 😉 Maggie is the least disliked of of the group, and I can easily see why one might like her. > [@Spoke](#): > > Agree. Makes me hope for some flashback webisodes along those lines showing how our characters dealt with the initial phases of the zombie apocalypse. Or even some full flashback TV episodes. The start of a zombie apocalypse is very interesting to me: things starting to fall apart, confusion, and mass chaos. I would love to see flashbacks. (I’ll be checking out webisodes tonight!) ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2011, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-07-pretty-much-dead-already-open-spoilers/604298/311 "2011-12-01T20:24:06Z")
> [@BeeDubU2](#): > > Also, it has occurred to me that Shane, upon finding Rick (thought to be) dead in the hospital, internalized that he must from here on out take care of Lori and Carl as if they were his own. Lori bolstered that claim when she set up happy family time with Shane instead of treating him as a brother in law. I think Shane still looks at them as **his** family, with Rick interloping on his happiness. We don’t know what happened between them in the meantime, but it does strike me as odd that she would so willingly carry on with Shane. How much of their relationship was known to the group? This bugs me. They’ve established that Shane is a bit of a slut, so it makes sense that he’d hop on anything willing (and apparently not willing anymore, given opportunity). As for Lori, she can become zombie chow anytime. I don’t like the character, comics or TV, and I despise the actress playing her. If they had tried to make her more sympathetic, the most they would have gotten from me is that I would not be actively rooting for the zombies. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2011, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-07-pretty-much-dead-already-open-spoilers/604298/312 "2011-12-01T20:33:27Z")
> [@stegon66](#): > > The title of this thread does say “open spoilers” so I assumed it was now okay to talk about the books. If not, my bad.. from The Walking Dead; 2.05 “Chupacabra” (open spoilers) > [@The Walking Dead; 2.05 "Chupacabra" (open spoilers)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-05-chupacabra-open-spoilers/602843/27): > > **stegon66** , please put info from anything other than the TV show into spoiler boxes, regardless of how obvious you think it is. > > Thanks, > > **twickster** , Cafe Society moderator Not to mention that every single thread, every single one, contained (open spoilers) in its title. Oh and in last year’s threads you spoiled things, people complained to you, and the Moderators had to come in and spoiler tag half your posts. Any of that ringing a bell? ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2011, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-07-pretty-much-dead-already-open-spoilers/604298/313 "2011-12-01T20:36:34Z")
His feigned ignorance is pathetic since he’s obviously doing it on purpose, and I think maybe the mods that don’t remember him in particular are buying into the idea that he made an oopsie and isn’t doing a deliberate long term effort to threadshit on the issue of spoilers. His behavior has warranted several warnings by now. ---
**Author:** ![Ellen\_Cherry](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellen_cherry/32/3600_2.png) [@Ellen\_Cherry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ellen_Cherry)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2011, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-07-pretty-much-dead-already-open-spoilers/604298/314 "2011-12-01T20:38:04Z")
:: Points to mod notes in _this_ thread :: **Ender** , please stop. Any more of this and we’re going to be handing out warnings! ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2011, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-07-pretty-much-dead-already-open-spoilers/604298/315 "2011-12-01T20:41:11Z")
> [@stegon66](#): > > Shovel? Better, but you’d have to hit them damned hard with the edge of the blade (which might get stuck). Seems like there’d also be an accuracy problem due to the curve of the blade. Smacking them with the flat of the shovel might not stop them unless you really hit them hard (which is gonna tire you out quickly). Get a military entrenching shovel. It’s collapsable and some of them have serrated edges for when shit gets real. There’s one floating around my unit’s QM (I don’t think anyone knows exactly where it came from or if it’s still on the accountable goods list) and it’s suitably impressive. If I ran out of rounds, I’d feel better with this baby close at hand. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2011, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-07-pretty-much-dead-already-open-spoilers/604298/317 "2011-12-01T21:03:57Z")
I just realized that aside from Carl, Sophia, Rick, Herschel and Otis, I could not for the life of me tell you for certain the names of the other characters. I just pulled up the website cast page. I did learn Dale’s name last week but had forgotten it ([Jeffrey DeMunn](http://autographmagazine.com/wp-content/gallery/cache/70__h=x_demunn-citizen-x-title.jpg) will _always_ be [Andrei Chikatilo](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrei_Chikatilo) to me. No doubt because I’ve watched [Citizen X](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMREhs2Txz0)at least 10 times. LOVE LOVE LOVE that movie. LOVE Sephen Rea! Love the way it demonstrates the evils of ideology… I think I smell a thread coming on…) The other names seem vaguely familiar except for one: T-Dog?? Seriously? Is he referred to directly by that name? And I am on board with Flashbacks!! Hell, the process of society disintegrating is at least 50% of the fun of apocalyptic fiction! I think that a huge percentage of zombie fans are like me, in that the biggest draw of zombie stories is that they are apocalyptic and post-apocalytic. The world coming to an end and how the handful who survive deal with it is endlessly fascinating. Unless it’s The Road, then it’s just agonizingly grim. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2011, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-07-pretty-much-dead-already-open-spoilers/604298/318 "2011-12-01T21:24:32Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > I think that a huge percentage of zombie fans are like me, in that the biggest draw of zombie stories is that they are apocalyptic and post-apocalytic. The world coming to an end and how the handful who survive deal with it is endlessly fascinating. Unless it’s The Road, then it’s just agonizingly grim. It’s interesting that post-Apocalyptic fiction has such an ability to fire our imaginations. I think we who are drawn to it like to imagine ourselves being among the 0.0001% who will survive, when, let’s face it, we will probably be among the 99.9999% who don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2011, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-07-pretty-much-dead-already-open-spoilers/604298/319 "2011-12-01T21:44:13Z")
That is a hard one for me. I would want to survive simply to see what happens, but in reality I’m pretty sure I’d prefer exiting before things get too horrible. ---
**Author:** ![BlinkingDuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/eada6e/32.png) [@BlinkingDuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlinkingDuck)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2011, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-07-pretty-much-dead-already-open-spoilers/604298/320 "2011-12-01T22:33:34Z")
> [@fubaya](#): > > _(i can just imagine this being said in a southern accent by a guy dressed like col sanders)_ > > ladies and gentlemen of the jury, the defense has argued that the defendant shane doe, a drifter with no known address, offered to sacrifice himself but otis, a family man and south georgia emergency medical technician, wouldn’t allow it. Therefore, to save the boy, the defendant had no other choice but to shoot the victim and get the medical supplies back to the critically injured child. > > Well, they got a sayin’ around these parts -maybe you’ve heard it- …actions speak louder than words. The defense would have you believe that otis wouldn’t allow the defendant to sacrifice himself, but i ask you this… What was stopping him? He could have dropped his bag and walked toward the zombies and within a few short seconds the deed would have been done. If he was worried that otis might try to stop him, he could have shoved him forward and it would have all been over by the time otis got back up. The truth is, contrary to what the defense would have you believe, there was nothing in the world that could have stopped him from sacrificing himself, except perhaps the desire. > > The defense has also argued that the defendant was motivated by an overpowering drive to get the medical supplies to the hurt child. Well, in the scenario i just laid out for you, he could have dropped the bag and died assured it would have been delivered - by one of only two people in the world with the training and knowledge to help the critically injured child, i might add. > > However, the defendant did not choose that scenario. Instead, he chose to shoot the victim in the leg, immobilizing him and sentencing him to a certain and violent death. And what of the medical supplies that the defense would have you believe he was so worried about? > > Well, now the defendant has problems. First, the bag is strapped to the back of the man he just shot. Second, the victim is quite upset at having been shot, as any of us would be. Third, as you will recall, both men were carrying pistols in their hand at the time of the shooting. And fourth, there is a herd of living dead just yards away, intent on devouring whomever they can get their hands on. There are a million things that could have gone wrong and it’s a wonder he was able to get the bag away from the victim at all. > > So, ladies and gentlemen, the defense would have you believe that the defendant wanted to sacrifice himself, but couldn’t. I believe i’ve shown that wasn’t the case. The defense would also have you believe the defendant felt that the medical supplies were more important than either of their lives. Now, ask yourself this… If what the defense said is true, then why did the defendant choose the one scenario that put those medical supplies at the most risk of being lost? > > The prosecution rests. guilty! :d ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2011, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-07-pretty-much-dead-already-open-spoilers/604298/321 "2011-12-01T23:44:58Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > I think that a huge percentage of zombie fans are like me, in that the biggest draw of zombie stories is that they are apocalyptic and post-apocalytic. The world coming to an end and how the handful who survive deal with it is endlessly fascinating. Unless it’s The Road, then it’s just agonizingly grim. Post-apocalyptic stories are about society coming to an end. This is a male fantasy similar to how vampire seduction is a female fantasy. The Road was something else altogether; it was nobody’s fantasy. What made it so grim is that it was about _the world_ coming to an end, not society. Spoiling the premise:All plants and animals died, so only pockets of humans were left, and their only food was other humans. Super duper extra double-plus grim. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-07-pretty-much-dead-already-open-spoilers/604298.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-07-pretty-much-dead-already-open-spoilers/604298.md?page=17)