# The Walking Dead; 2.07 "Pretty Much Dead Already" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 28, 2011, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-07-pretty-much-dead-already-open-spoilers/604298 "2011-11-28T01:30:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2011, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-07-pretty-much-dead-already-open-spoilers/604298/161 "2011-11-30T01:25:29Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > And THIS is why I love the Dope… Head on over to the Game Room, where there’s a pretty intense debate over the politics of a fictional video game country. ---
**Author:** ![obfusciatrist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4af34b/32.png) [@obfusciatrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/obfusciatrist)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2011, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-07-pretty-much-dead-already-open-spoilers/604298/162 "2011-11-30T01:26:19Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Give us some figure then. What percentage does it have to boost the chances of his and Carl’s survival justifies 30 seconds of horrible death? If there’s a 10% chance that shooting him in the head makes the zombies less interested in Otis and they catch up to Shane and he dies, and Carl dies, is that worth making his death easier? 20%? 30%? The problem is that shooting Otis gained absolutely nothing. It is well established at this point that the zombies can only run as fast as it takes to pursue but never actually catch someone. So they were never in any risk of being caught by the zombie horde. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2011, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-07-pretty-much-dead-already-open-spoilers/604298/163 "2011-11-30T01:30:22Z")
I hope that was facetious, otherwise the entire show is rendered irrelevant and nothing makes sense. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2011, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-07-pretty-much-dead-already-open-spoilers/604298/164 "2011-11-30T01:35:09Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > And THIS is why I love the Dope… Are you friggin’ kidding me? Some people will read a handful of quotes so we can understand the point/argument you’re about to make. That post is the biggest waste of fucking space and time\* - please don’t do that again. And for a “This.” post?!? Fucking hell - at least make a POINT when you pull that shit. \*Not that I read all of it, but I got 4-5 quotes in. But c’mon! ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Barchetta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/da6949/32.png) [@Red\_Barchetta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Barchetta)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2011, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-07-pretty-much-dead-already-open-spoilers/604298/165 "2011-11-30T01:39:47Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > Are you friggin’ kidding me? Some people will read a handful of quotes so we can understand the point/argument you’re about to make. That post is the biggest waste of fucking space and time\* - please don’t do that again. And for a “This.” post?!? Fucking hell - at least make a POINT when you pull that shit. > > \*Not that I read all of it, but I got 4-5 quotes in. But c’mon! I wonder if he still loves the Dope… ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2011, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-07-pretty-much-dead-already-open-spoilers/604298/166 "2011-11-30T03:20:10Z")
> [@Red\_Barchetta](#): > > I wonder if he still loves the Dope… She loves the Dope under far worse circumstances. I was going to reply to so many of those quotes, but when I saw it all together I saw how completely unnecessary it was because all these clever Dopers said it first. And I like that. And I knew someone was going to get all bitchy about the quoting. I know this joint… ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2011, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-07-pretty-much-dead-already-open-spoilers/604298/167 "2011-11-30T03:23:23Z")
So it was unnecesary to comment, unnecesary to quote it because you know, it was all right here, and you knew people wouldn’t like it… and you went ahead and did it anyway, what does that say about you? ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2011, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-07-pretty-much-dead-already-open-spoilers/604298/168 "2011-11-30T03:46:50Z")
Just drop it so we can keep the thread on track. ---
**Author:** ![stegon66](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee59a6/32.png) [@stegon66](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stegon66)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2011, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-07-pretty-much-dead-already-open-spoilers/604298/169 "2011-11-30T04:00:40Z")
Are people still getting pissed when the comics are discussed and compared to the show? Really? I think the show has deviated enough that it shouldn’t be a problem. For instance, in current comic book continuity Shane is long dead but Sophia is still alive. And that’s just one of many differences. For those of us familiar with the books it’s fun to compare and speculate on what will happen in the show but really, we know as little of what will happen in the show as the non-book enthusiasts. I no longer consider an event in the books to be a spoiler for what the show has in store. I think the no-spoiler freaks can relax. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2011, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-07-pretty-much-dead-already-open-spoilers/604298/170 "2011-11-30T04:02:35Z")
There’s a seperate thread for it. Why not just go there instead of threadshitting constantly by bitching about people who don’t want to be spoiled? Please, turn yet another thread into a spoiler fight because you’re too childish to respect people’s wishes. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2011, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-07-pretty-much-dead-already-open-spoilers/604298/171 "2011-11-30T04:30:25Z")
There’s a whole thread for those discussions, **stegon66**. (If it helps you, may I suggest adding “I have read the Walking Dead comic books. Worship me!” as your sig line? Would that give you the validation you so obviously crave?) ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2011, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-07-pretty-much-dead-already-open-spoilers/604298/172 "2011-11-30T04:58:07Z")
Would it help if we looked at the Zombie Flu the same way we look at other diseases? Diseases affect different people in different ways, depending on genetics, level of fitness, prior medical history, immune system, etc. Maybe this virus is like diabetes or heart disease or cancer or HIV – everyone isn’t affected in exactly the same way. Some folks even recovered from bubonic plague and many recover from smallpox, yet measles and chicken pox can still be a killer. (Or so I’ve heard.) ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2011, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-07-pretty-much-dead-already-open-spoilers/604298/173 "2011-11-30T05:06:18Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > The infection model is an attempt to make zombies slightly less implausible than Romero’s zombies. Stories using it will have a definate biological cause. Romero had the right idea; he never revealed why the dead were reanimating, he just had characters speculating (everything from radiation from space to divine wrath) without anything being confirmed. Dramatically it didn’t matter why the dead were reanimating; it was all about who the survivors were dealing with it. If all the dead reanimate as zombies, pretty much the only possible explanation is a divine punishment from god himself. That’s a far more hopeless situation than trying to fight a disease. (But nothing is as hopeless as [The Road](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0898367/). Now _that_ was an apocalypse, with more crushing despair than I could have previously imagined.) ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2011, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-07-pretty-much-dead-already-open-spoilers/604298/174 "2011-11-30T05:08:01Z")
> [@stegon66](#): > > Are people still getting pissed when the comics are discussed and compared to the show? Really? Yes- so please do the considerate thing and respect their wishes with regard to spoilers. This isn’t worth getting a warning over, but the next time you do this, I will warn you for it because it’s Being A Jerk. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2011, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-07-pretty-much-dead-already-open-spoilers/604298/175 "2011-11-30T05:43:00Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > So it was unnecesary to comment, unnecesary to quote it because you know, it was all right here, and you knew people wouldn’t like it… and you went ahead and did it anyway, what does that say about you? That I trust in the fact that we are not a hive mind. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2011, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-07-pretty-much-dead-already-open-spoilers/604298/176 "2011-11-30T05:44:00Z")
True, it’s possible that there’s someone on the boards that appreciates your wall of text +1s. Statistically unlikely that they’re in any particular thread though. Edit: I’m not really gunning for you in particular, I just hate +1 posts, especially if I have to hit page down 3 or 4 times to get through them. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Barchetta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/da6949/32.png) [@Red\_Barchetta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Barchetta)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2011, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-07-pretty-much-dead-already-open-spoilers/604298/177 "2011-11-30T07:05:00Z")
> [@senorbeef](#): > > edit: I’m not really gunning for you in particular, i just hate +1 posts, especially if i have to hit page down 3 or 4 times to get through them. > [@senorbeef](#): > > edit: I’m not really gunning for you in particular, i just hate +1 posts, especially if i have to hit page down 3 or 4 times to get through them. > [@senorbeef](#): > > edit: I’m not really gunning for you in particular, i just hate +1 posts, especially if i have to hit page down 3 or 4 times to get through them. > [@senorbeef](#): > > edit: I’m not really gunning for you in particular, i just hate +1 posts, especially if i have to hit page down 3 or 4 times to get through them. > [@senorbeef](#): > > edit: I’m not really gunning for you in particular, i just hate +1 posts, especially if i have to hit page down 3 or 4 times to get through them. +1 😃 o ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2011, 7:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-07-pretty-much-dead-already-open-spoilers/604298/178 "2011-11-30T07:23:27Z")
I guess it’s true what they say. The undead teenage girl is always in the last place you look. ---
**Author:** ![Lucretia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/13edae/32.png) [@Lucretia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucretia)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2011, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-07-pretty-much-dead-already-open-spoilers/604298/179 "2011-11-30T07:39:24Z")
> [@MeanJoe](#): > > MeanJoe - Who now adds “Do not join a group of SDMB people to survive the zombie apocalypse” to his Zombie Survival Guide to-do list. Holy freakin’ og on a stick, this. You know how Shane got all “It’s _different_ now!” at the barn? Well, it is. It’s really, really, really different. You need only a cursory glance at the history of mankind to know that our current ‘morals’ and ‘values’ are very much a luxury of civilization and the rule of law. In case no one has noticed…the human race has just undergone an extinction level event. No, really. Odds are very good that the population is so low already that humans are, essentially doomed as a species, but if there is any chance, at _all_ for rebuilding…then the young and healthy _have_ to survive. Shane is, by a level of magnitude, more fit in all ways than Otis was. So is Carl, for that matter. And by any math whatsoever, it was one dies or three die at the school. There’s simply not enough people left to let sentimentality enter the issue. And in that situation, if losing a relative stranger helps preserve me and mine? Sorry stranger…you’re out. ---
**Author:** ![Xan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/ac8455/32.png) [@Xan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xan)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2011, 7:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-07-pretty-much-dead-already-open-spoilers/604298/180 "2011-11-30T07:56:51Z")
Shane did not need to shoot Otis. The zombies are pretty far back. Had they just kept moving they both could have made it out alive. [Proof](http://i.imgur.com/egJLI.png) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-07-pretty-much-dead-already-open-spoilers/604298.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-07-pretty-much-dead-already-open-spoilers/604298.md?page=10)