# The Walking Dead; 2.11 "Judge, Jury, Executioner" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 5, 2012, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-11-judge-jury-executioner-open-spoilers/614768 "2012-03-05T01:15:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-11-judge-jury-executioner-open-spoilers/614768/21 "2012-03-05T04:19:29Z")
I was thinking zombie also, until the real zombie showed up. Pretty sure that the walker was making the noise. Of course, that means Dale was particularly into ‘our gang’ mode, since the sound would have been either behind or at best to the side of him while he was staring at the cow. Re: Maggie and Glenn. Not sure if they are talking, or Herschel is prodding Glen to pick the relationship back up. It’s been 7 or 8 days (a week to let Randall heal up, and then I guess one more day) - so really hard to say. The only interaction between them that I remember was non-committal, with Maggie telling Glenn to go out and see what Dale was screaming about. ---
**Author:** ![ExTank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/35a633/32.png) [@ExTank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ExTank)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-11-judge-jury-executioner-open-spoilers/614768/22 "2012-03-05T04:20:11Z")
> [@simster](#): > > yes **mole** - the walker that attacked dale had been feasting on the cow - not sure why he stopped as dale approached - but they did bad editing - first shot of zombie he was too clean - as he fought dale - he got bloodier. I think that was Dale’s blood as the Walker ripped him open. ---
**Author:** ![Mole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc348/32.png) [@Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mole)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-11-judge-jury-executioner-open-spoilers/614768/23 "2012-03-05T04:31:11Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Zombies have short attention spans and were easily distracted by live meat that’s still moving. And yet that cow was clearly still making noise and was what attracted Dale to it. Rick’s ass was saved in episode 1 because most of the undead went for the horse he was riding. Now Dale’s attacked by a zombie who… what? Decided to take a walk and stretch before resuming it’s thanksgiving feast? That doesn’t make sense to me. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-11-judge-jury-executioner-open-spoilers/614768/24 "2012-03-05T04:38:49Z")
> [@Mole](#): > > \ Now Dale’s attacked by a zombie who… what? Decided to take a walk and stretch before resuming it’s thanksgiving feast? \ Heh - this made me chuckle out loud. Maybe he was just off making room - it’s hard to eat a whole cow in one sitting. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Mole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc348/32.png) [@Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mole)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-11-judge-jury-executioner-open-spoilers/614768/25 "2012-03-05T04:38:56Z")
> [@simster](#): > > I think more importantly - the sound that drew dale over - was that a zombie cow? > > because if so - we’re truly screwed. > > That zombie - along with the one last week that kept pushing Ricks gun aside - seem much more ‘thoughtful’ to the predicaments they are in - the one that Carl was playing with kept ‘looking’ at his feet. Along the lines I’m wondering. Are there hard and fast rules or are the rules changing? ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-11-judge-jury-executioner-open-spoilers/614768/26 "2012-03-05T04:46:49Z")
> [@Don\_Draper](#): > > Question: In the first half of the season, before the winter break, Hirsch’s family included a boy, a bit younger than Maggie, maybe about Randall’s age. He had a few lines of dialogue, helped out in the search for Sophia, hung around in the background. I just realized this episode that he isn’t there anymore. I didn’t see him at the farmhouse when they were all gathered to debate Randall’s fate. What happened to him? Did he get chomped by a walker, or did the writers just discard the character and hope that nobody noticed he was gone? His name’s Jimmy, he’s the young girl’s (Kathy? Beth?) boyfriend, and he’s still there. Lori told Carl to go stay with Jimmy while the rest of the group debated Randall’s fate. You also see him in the first episode holding his girlfriend before she goes over to her mom. > [@AuntiePam](#): > > I don’t understand why Daryl didn’t share with the group, what Randall told him about raping those girls. I don’t believe for a minute that Randall just watched. Daryl didn’t exactly share about the rape, but he did say that if the other gang arrived, the women at the farm would wish they were dead. I think that’s all he wanted, or needed, to say. > [@Mole](#): > > And yet that cow was clearly still making noise and was what attracted Dale to it. Rick’s ass was saved in episode 1 because most of the undead went for the horse he was riding. Now Dale’s attacked by a zombie who… what? Decided to take a walk and stretch before resuming it’s thanksgiving feast? That doesn’t make sense to me. I think probably yea. I mean, it takes strength and time to disembowel a cow. The zombie managed to do that and eat for a while, then got bored or “full” or whatever passes for a reaction, then wandered away and came back. If an organism is functioning solely on brainstem activity, there may be simple drives that control it and nothing else. Get full, wander away, stay in the general area of the full, have the opportunity to attack again. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-11-judge-jury-executioner-open-spoilers/614768/27 "2012-03-05T04:49:49Z")
Dammit, despite how soapboxy Dale’s been, I liked his character. It was a gripping scene though. Why do I have this hunch Carl’s gonna kill Randall? ---
**Author:** ![Mole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc348/32.png) [@Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mole)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-11-judge-jury-executioner-open-spoilers/614768/28 "2012-03-05T04:52:57Z")
> [@ExTank](#): > > I think that was Dale’s blood as the Walker ripped him open. Oh yeah, that was the other thing that bothered me. Super-zombie easily opens Dale’s stomach with it’s hands, no problem.:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![An\_Gadai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@An\_Gadai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Gadai)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-11-judge-jury-executioner-open-spoilers/614768/29 "2012-03-05T04:56:08Z")
What exactly did the zombie do to Dale that I missed? One second he was fending off a bite to the face, the next his chest was burst. Load of shit episode. The last two made me think that the show had redeemed itself. Normal bullshit service with this one. Probably the worst show I’ve seen that has a significant following. ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-11-judge-jury-executioner-open-spoilers/614768/30 "2012-03-05T04:59:00Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > Why do I have this hunch Carl’s gonna kill Randall? Now THAT would be a frigging AWESOME character development/plot point/major “WTF” thrown into the mix. And if it happens in the graphic novels, I would appreciate nobody spoiling it, because I still haven’t read them. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-11-judge-jury-executioner-open-spoilers/614768/31 "2012-03-05T04:59:29Z")
> [@Mole](#): > > And yet that cow was clearly still making noise and was what attracted Dale to it. Rick’s ass was saved in episode 1 because most of the undead went for the horse he was riding. Now Dale’s attacked by a zombie who… what? Decided to take a walk and stretch before resuming it’s thanksgiving feast? That doesn’t make sense to me. You’re right. Now that I see it again it doesn’t make sense to me either. For whatver reason it lost interest in the still living cow, then lost interest in whatever distracted it from the cow when it senses Dale. Also how did _one_ zombie manage to disembowel a cow like that? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-11-judge-jury-executioner-open-spoilers/614768/32 "2012-03-05T05:00:03Z")
Rick is a complete wuss. He couldn’t even handle a _mercy killing_? ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-11-judge-jury-executioner-open-spoilers/614768/33 "2012-03-05T05:09:28Z")
> [@Spoke](#): > > Rick is a complete wuss. He couldn’t even handle a _mercy killing_? It’s Carl’s fault; give _him_ the gun and make him shoot Dale. It’s time he learned that his childhood ended weeks ago. ---
**Author:** ![Mole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc348/32.png) [@Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mole)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-11-judge-jury-executioner-open-spoilers/614768/34 "2012-03-05T05:13:15Z")
> [@Kolga](#): > > I think probably yea. I mean, it takes strength and time to disembowel a cow. The zombie managed to do that and eat for a while, then got bored or “full” or whatever passes for a reaction, then wandered away and came back. If an organism is functioning solely on brainstem activity, there may be simple drives that control it and nothing else. Get full, wander away, stay in the general area of the full, have the opportunity to attack again. I guess the not knowing “why is the zombie acting this way” bothers me. So, okay, my nitpicking aside, how does Rick look coming out of this episode? And should Carl shoulder blame for Dale’s death? ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-11-judge-jury-executioner-open-spoilers/614768/35 "2012-03-05T05:13:30Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > Dammit, despite how soapboxy Dale’s been, I liked his character. It was a gripping scene though. > > Why do I have this hunch Carl’s gonna kill Randall? I thought for sure that was going to happen when Carl was alone with him in the ‘shed’ - ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-11-judge-jury-executioner-open-spoilers/614768/36 "2012-03-05T05:14:26Z")
> [@simster](#): > > I think more importantly - the sound that drew dale over - was that a zombie cow? > > because if so - we’re truly screwed. Not only would we be screwed, that’s the one hard and fast rule the writers have given us. Non-humans can’t become zombies. But, yes, I also thought it was a zombie cow and was kind of annoyed at that. Also, I really don’t understand why they were making a noose and trying to figure out how to kill Randall. Is there some reason they couldn’t just shoot him? ---
**Author:** ![Marconi\_N.Cheese](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Marconi\_N.Cheese](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marconi_N.Cheese)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-11-judge-jury-executioner-open-spoilers/614768/37 "2012-03-05T05:18:44Z")
Rick is once again a dumb shit. He should have just killed Randall in town. It would have been the humane thing to do. And we wouldn’t have had to listen Dale’s diatribe. That guy was getting annoying. At least Lori wasn’t a whiny bitch in this episode. I was so rooting for the zombie in zombie vs. Carl. ---
**Author:** ![randwill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a3d4f5/32.png) [@randwill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randwill)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-11-judge-jury-executioner-open-spoilers/614768/38 "2012-03-05T05:19:42Z")
Last episode Randall claimed he went to school with Maggie. I wanted someone to ask Maggie about this, but no. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-11-judge-jury-executioner-open-spoilers/614768/39 "2012-03-05T05:20:00Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > …Also, I really don’t understand why they were making a noose and trying to figure out how to kill Randall. Is there some reason they couldn’t just shoot him? And it was Rick trying to make the noose. If Dr Jenner whispered in Rick’s ear what everyone seems to think he whispered that Rick would’ve have considered any other execution method other than a bullet to the brain (well, maybe a beheading). ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-11-judge-jury-executioner-open-spoilers/614768/40 "2012-03-05T05:20:13Z")
> [@Mole](#): > > Oh yeah, that was the other thing that bothered me. Super-zombie easily opens Dale’s stomach with it’s hands, no problem.:rolleyes: On “Talking Dead,” someone from the show was discussing that - he said that they figured that zombies would have very bony, sharp fingers. I’m not really buying it, either, but what the heck! > [@Mole](#): > > \ > > So, okay, my nitpicking aside, how does Rick look coming out of this episode? Good question. Great that he’s a decent guy, and can’t kill a human being in cold blood, but not great that he can’t do a hard thing that has to be done. > [@](#): > > And should Carl shoulder blame for Dale’s death? I think he will get fingered for it sooner rather than later - this show doesn’t really do long, lingering secrets (see: Lori’s pregnancy - “You can’t tell anyone!” Five minutes later, everyone knows.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-11-judge-jury-executioner-open-spoilers/614768.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-11-judge-jury-executioner-open-spoilers/614768.md?page=3)