# The Walking Dead; 2.11 "Judge, Jury, Executioner" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 5, 2012, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-11-judge-jury-executioner-open-spoilers/614768 "2012-03-05T01:15:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![MeanJoe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanjoe/32/5693_2.png) [@MeanJoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanJoe)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-11-judge-jury-executioner-open-spoilers/614768/61 "2012-03-05T15:34:27Z")
One more thought regarding Dale - It occurs to me that he is the physical representation of what is many times a central theme in zombie movies. Many times the real threat presented in zombie movies is each other, what we become when living in a world full of zombies. Romero did a great job with this. As did 28 Days Later, particularly in the scene where Danny takes revenge on the group of soldiers. At one point, they make very clear it is hard to tell the difference between him and the zombies in the movie. To me, Dale was very much that warning brought to voice through the character. Now that warning voice is gone and it will be interesting to see what his death does to the psyche of this group now that he is no longer there. ---
**Author:** ![randwill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a3d4f5/32.png) [@randwill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randwill)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-11-judge-jury-executioner-open-spoilers/614768/62 "2012-03-05T15:58:43Z")
> [@Survey1215](#): > > I keep waiting for them to address practical issues such as food and fuel - wouldn’t you have a few of the folks out scavenging through homes, stockpiling needed supplies? Last week when they kept showing that plate of fresh food and vegetables that was served to the little sister, I wondered were that stuff could have come from. Around here a cucumber lasts about a week in the fridge. And, as I’ve said before, their desire to stay in this one spot seems contrived. Even more so now that they feel threatened by another tribe in the area. When Rick and his wife had the conversation about asking Herschel if they could move into his house, I thought; how about any of the thousands of other houses you could choose from? ---
**Author:** ![JeffB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jeffb/32/188_2.png) [@JeffB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JeffB)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-11-judge-jury-executioner-open-spoilers/614768/63 "2012-03-05T16:26:26Z")
I’d like to see a layout of this farm. When Carl is wandering alone in the woods, he comes upon the swampy creek area that I thought was one of the borders of the farm. The zombie obviously go stuck on the other side of the creek while trying to cross. While playing taunt-a-zombie, he crosses the creek, and when he loses the gun, he runs away in the complete opposite direction from which he came. The zombie continues to work to get free, and I would think sets off in the direction that Carl fled. Not sure how that leads back to the farm. And what was with Carol and Laurie being essentially opionless? Carol specifically says she doesn’t want to be involved in making a decision, and Laurie won’t say what she thinks, only that she supports her man. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-11-judge-jury-executioner-open-spoilers/614768/64 "2012-03-05T16:37:59Z")
> [@randwill](#): > > Last week when they kept showing that plate of fresh food and vegetables that was served to the little sister, I wondered were that stuff could have come from. Around here a cucumber lasts about a week in the fridge. I don’t understand your confusion. They live on a farm. I think it’s safe to assume there’s a vegetable garden. (Though, granted, it would be nice if they actually showed us some of the things they are doing to survive --like gardening-- rather than focusing so much on all the psychodrama. Even showing some of that stuff incidentally would close some gaps in the story. Say, have a conversation in the garden about what to do with the captive.) ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-11-judge-jury-executioner-open-spoilers/614768/65 "2012-03-05T16:42:42Z")
> [@Spoke](#): > > I don’t understand your confusion. They live on a farm. I think it’s safe to assume there’s a vegetable garden. Lori was chopping carrots during the discussion with Shane about paternity. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-11-judge-jury-executioner-open-spoilers/614768/66 "2012-03-05T17:01:56Z")
> [@JeffB](#): > > I’d like to see a layout of this farm. When Carl is wandering alone in the woods, he comes upon the swampy creek area that I thought was one of the borders of the farm. The zombie obviously go stuck on the other side of the creek while trying to cross. While playing taunt-a-zombie, he crosses the creek, and when he loses the gun, he runs away in the complete opposite direction from which he came. The zombie continues to work to get free, and I would think sets off in the direction that Carl fled. Not sure how that leads back to the farm. He probably had to run back to wherever he crossed the river. Most likely a fallen tree or some rocks. Or he was just running _away_ and was planning to find his way back later. It was still light out and he wasn’t that far from the house so it’s not like he was going to get lost if he went another 50 feet into the woods. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-11-judge-jury-executioner-open-spoilers/614768/67 "2012-03-05T17:09:02Z")
> [@Survey1215](#): > > I keep waiting for them to address practical issues such as food and fuel Herschel mentioned this in the discussion about keeping Randall- saying it was going to be a lean winter. It does help that they aren’t feeding a barn full of walkers anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-11-judge-jury-executioner-open-spoilers/614768/68 "2012-03-05T17:10:47Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > Or he was just running _away_ and was planning to find his way back later. It was still light out and he wasn’t that far from the house so it’s not like he was going to get lost if he went another 50 feet into the woods. It’s not like he’s Sofia or anything. I agree, however - he ran away from the zombie, which was between him and the way he came and the house. A bit of circling and he’s back. ---
**Author:** ![obfusciatrist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4af34b/32.png) [@obfusciatrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/obfusciatrist)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-11-judge-jury-executioner-open-spoilers/614768/69 "2012-03-05T17:17:30Z")
The references to a lean winter again seem to be trying to have it both ways on timeline. If the zombiefication of the world had been a slow process I could see everybody running through all the stuff the world has. But it was apparenly a very fast process, just a few weeks to a couple of months. With a fraction of a percentage survival rate (based on what we’ve seen so far anyway). Now, everything may have been scavenged off of shelves but the environment should be just crammed with processed and packaged foodstuffs to keep them eating for years. Not to mention this episode re-emphasized the fact that all the guns have apparently disappeared (setting up, I’m sure, them being outgunned by the roving gang). I’m just glad something actually happened to a character we had any reason to care about. ---
**Author:** ![randwill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a3d4f5/32.png) [@randwill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randwill)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-11-judge-jury-executioner-open-spoilers/614768/70 "2012-03-05T17:33:36Z")
> [@Spoke](#): > > I don’t understand your confusion. They live on a farm. I think it’s safe to assume there’s a vegetable garden. > > (Though, granted, it would be nice if they actually showed us some of the things they are doing to survive --like gardening-- rather than focusing so much on all the psychodrama. Even showing some of that stuff incidentally would close some gaps in the story. Say, have a conversation in the garden about what to do with the captive.) It’s a cattle farm, but with all the land it’s not unlikely that there’s an unseen vegetable garden somewhere. But only in a world where fresh fruit and vegetables are being imported from other areas to your grocery store are fresh foods going to be available all the time. And since going anywhere off the farm has been depicted as dangerous and rare, there isn’t much scavenging from other places going on. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-11-judge-jury-executioner-open-spoilers/614768/71 "2012-03-05T17:41:57Z")
> [@randwill](#): > > But only in a world where fresh fruit and vegetables are being imported from other areas to your grocery store are fresh foods going to be available all the time. True, but home canning is pretty easy. It’s all doable given some arable land and a water supply. We’re just not seeing them do these kinds of things. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-11-judge-jury-executioner-open-spoilers/614768/72 "2012-03-05T17:46:13Z")
Oh, and I don’t know a cattle farmer in Georgia who doesn’t make a vegetable garden for himself and his family. Plus, usually, a feed crop for the cattle. (Hay or corn.) ---
**Author:** ![Snooooopy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@Snooooopy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snooooopy)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-11-judge-jury-executioner-open-spoilers/614768/73 "2012-03-05T17:51:29Z")
First, I’m happy Dale’s gone. Second, what is “The Love That Pays the Price”? The title of this episode is “Judge, Jury, Executioner.” ---
**Author:** ![JeffB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jeffb/32/188_2.png) [@JeffB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JeffB)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-11-judge-jury-executioner-open-spoilers/614768/74 "2012-03-05T17:55:29Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > It’s not like he’s Sofia or anything. > > I agree, however - he ran away from the zombie, which was between him and the way he came and the house. A bit of circling and he’s back. Right, but I got the impression that they were trying to imply that the zombie followed Carl back to the farm. The zombie got stuck going direction A. The zombie then get partially unstuck when Carl is behind him, so the zombie is now headed in direction B, and Carl runs off in direction B (away from the farm). ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-11-judge-jury-executioner-open-spoilers/614768/75 "2012-03-05T17:58:22Z")
[QUOTE=Cat Whisperer] this show doesn’t really do long, lingering secrets (see: Lori’s pregnancy - “You can’t tell anyone!” Five minutes later, everyone knows.) [/QUOTE] And yet several months later she isn’t showing. > [@Don\_Draper](#): > > The more I think about this episode, and the whole “should we kill the kid?” scenario, the more I get pissed off about how contrived it all is. The more I get pissed over how "If this were a melodramatic musical like Les Mis or Ragtime or even Titanic then ‘kill him/save him’ dilemma would be the basis for one hell of an angry duet, and the writers here aren’t even trying for one. (_Walking Dead: the Musical_ could work.) Herschel says it’s going to be a lean winter, but he also has at least twelve steers. (Or maybe eleven- couldn’t tell what the zombie ate.) It won’t be lean as far as beef goes. ---
**Author:** ![Labtrash](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/labtrash/32/528_2.png) [@Labtrash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labtrash)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-11-judge-jury-executioner-open-spoilers/614768/76 "2012-03-05T18:17:19Z")
> [@Mole](#): > > And didn’t Andrea make some comment about “this is all the ammunition we have?” while searching through the gun bag? 'Cuz Shane is stealing / hoarding the ammo in his Hyundai !! ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-11-judge-jury-executioner-open-spoilers/614768/77 "2012-03-05T18:23:06Z")
Dale’s attack and put down would have worked a lot better as a minor (yet still lethal) bite than a disembowelment. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-11-judge-jury-executioner-open-spoilers/614768/78 "2012-03-05T18:33:53Z")
I’m glad they offed Dale. He was getting really irritating. Lori, you’re next! I was a little thrown off by the “SS” insignia on the motorcycle and didn’t realize it was Daryl’s. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-11-judge-jury-executioner-open-spoilers/614768/79 "2012-03-05T18:45:09Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Dale’s attack and put down would have worked a lot better as a minor (yet still lethal) bite than a disembowelment. Oh hell no. They would have spent three more episodes debating whether and how to kill the guy. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2012, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-11-judge-jury-executioner-open-spoilers/614768/80 "2012-03-05T18:48:44Z")
> [@Spoke](#): > > Oh hell no. They would have spent three more episodes debating whether and how to kill the guy. They could have put him in the shed with randall. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-11-judge-jury-executioner-open-spoilers/614768.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-11-judge-jury-executioner-open-spoilers/614768.md?page=5)