# The Walking Dead; 2.13 "Beside the Dying Fire" SEASON FINALE (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 18, 2012, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-13-beside-the-dying-fire-season-finale-open-spoilers/616171 "2012-03-18T23:16:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2012, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-13-beside-the-dying-fire-season-finale-open-spoilers/616171/201 "2012-03-20T20:40:51Z")
> [@obfusciatrist](#): > > Question about modern prisons. > > Mentioned about is having everybody sleep in their own locked cell, in possession of their key. > > Do modern prison cell doors actually have individual keys or are they are electronically controlled and would have unlocked automatically once the last power went out? > [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Pick up some bicycle locks along with a few cases of .45 auto at Wal-Mart. šŸ™‚ Thatā€™s what I was thinking, too - I believe prisons do have electric locks, which should all be useless now, but you rope the door closed with a bicycle lock and padlock it with the key\* you keep around your neck, and Bobā€™s your uncle! No getting bitten in your sleep (or turning in your sleep and wandering off to eat the rest of your group). \*No combination locks. I still have nightmares about trying to remember my locker combination from high school! ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2012, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-13-beside-the-dying-fire-season-finale-open-spoilers/616171/202 "2012-03-20T21:41:06Z")
> [@obfusciatrist](#): > > Like I said, I donā€™t need an explanation. However, if I were in the group, I be doing a lot more to try and explore the mechanism for things. Interesting thought, but do you think youā€™d have either the time or the facilities? Youā€™re in a survival situation - what more do you need to know beyond ā€œdead people with intact brains come backā€? ---
**Author:** ![obfusciatrist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4af34b/32.png) [@obfusciatrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/obfusciatrist)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2012, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-13-beside-the-dying-fire-season-finale-open-spoilers/616171/203 "2012-03-20T21:50:43Z")
Maybe not before the farm (though I think I would be asking a lot of questions and getting what observation I could), but you can be damned sure that once I learned there was a barn full of them and they hadnā€™t shown any sign of escaping Iā€™d have been suggesting experiments (not that Hershel would have gone along). Once Iā€™d been told by a big time scientist that being bit wasnā€™t necessary Iā€™d be examining every body I came across. When I had zombies in a relatively safe one on one position I wouldnā€™t just kill it. Iā€™d try to test their abilities. Can they swim? How do they respond to impediments (when they run into a wall between you and them to they just keep trying to go through the wall or will they look for a way around? Can they climb? Are they flammable? Is there any other way to kill them than actually penetrating the brain? Can they be suffocated by immersion in water. Is there anything that will trigger a fear response in them? Can they/will they climb? There are all kinds of relatively small questions that donā€™t require timely experiments that you could be doing that will help inform you of how to respond and protect yourself. For example, are the zombies so stupid that if razor wire had been strung across a field at neck height, the zombies would eventually decapitate themselves trying to get to you because theyā€™re too stupid to duck? Iā€™m not saying Iā€™d have tried to set up a level 3 bioresearch facility but Iā€™d like to think that after at least several weeks (and other than Rick theyā€™ve definitely been dealing with this for at least a month or two) Iā€™d like to think some curiosity as to the nature of the threat would begin to surface. ---
**Author:** ![Christopher\_Robin\_Davies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8dc957/32.png) [@Christopher\_Robin\_Davies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Christopher_Robin_Davies)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2012, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-13-beside-the-dying-fire-season-finale-open-spoilers/616171/204 "2012-03-20T21:50:51Z")
Never mind. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2012, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-13-beside-the-dying-fire-season-finale-open-spoilers/616171/205 "2012-03-20T21:58:34Z")
> [@obfusciatrist](#): > > Another aside. Just as zombies are as fast as necessary for suspense, they turn as fast as necessary too. Good thing the two guys they killed in the bar didnā€™t turn as quickly as Randall and Shane did. Shane shot the guy behind the bar in the head. He shot fatty twice, first in the body and then deliberately in the head. ---
**Author:** ![Christopher\_Robin\_Davies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8dc957/32.png) [@Christopher\_Robin\_Davies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Christopher_Robin_Davies)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2012, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-13-beside-the-dying-fire-season-finale-open-spoilers/616171/206 "2012-03-20T22:04:44Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > Shane shot the guy behind the bar in the head. He shot fatty twice, first in the body and then deliberately in the head. I think you mean Rick. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2012, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-13-beside-the-dying-fire-season-finale-open-spoilers/616171/207 "2012-03-20T22:44:42Z")
> [@obfusciatrist](#): > > once I learned there was a barn full of them and they hadnā€™t shown any sign of escaping Iā€™d have been suggesting experimentsā€¦ > > Are they flammable? Is there any other way to kill them than actually penetrating the brain? Can they be suffocated by immersion in water. Is there anything that will trigger a fear response in them? Can they/will they climb? > > ā€¦are the zombies so stupid that if razor wire had been strung across a field at neck height, the zombies would eventually decapitate themselves trying to get to you because theyā€™re too stupid to duck? I like the way you think, and would like to help out in your Zombie Lab. šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![vandal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/858c86/32.png) [@vandal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vandal)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2012, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-13-beside-the-dying-fire-season-finale-open-spoilers/616171/208 "2012-03-20T23:26:51Z")
> [@Lady\_of\_the\_Lake](#): > > Yeah, I never understood why they stayed at the farm, left it, and most importantly why they didnā€™t do anything to \*improve \*it. What about thinking about a nice, strong wall? They could have \*started \*work on a concrete wall. Just a small one around the house might have made a difference, maybe with some converted farming tools you could safety kill zombies until there are no more. But no, that would take time away from all the drama, bitching, and stupid decisions. Well, assuming they could even get some concrete, do they have the tools, equipment, and expertise to properly lay it and shape it into a wall? Has Rick ever poured concrete? Daryl? T-Dawg? Any of the females? Just going out on a limb and saying I doubt anyone in the group comes from a construction background. I mean, I consider myself to be pretty handy, but if you gave me a few bags of concrete and asked me to build a wall, I guarantee you thereā€™d be a lot of head scratching and trial and error. And, I even have the luxury of looking it up on the Internet. Given their circumstance, they donā€™t really have the time to be experimenting. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2012, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-13-beside-the-dying-fire-season-finale-open-spoilers/616171/209 "2012-03-20T23:48:31Z")
> [@vandal](#): > > Well, assuming they could even get some concrete, do they have the tools, equipment, and expertise to properly lay it and shape it into a wall? ON a farm in the South? Hell, yes. But itā€™s a lot of work and takes time away from talking about killing folks. I donā€™t know what the local Wal-Mart is like, or the Loeweā€™s. Maybe they can just drive to town and get quick crete and form lumber. Maggie: ā€œGlen? Stop at Walgreens. You Know Why.ā€ ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2012, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-13-beside-the-dying-fire-season-finale-open-spoilers/616171/210 "2012-03-20T23:49:08Z")
I agree. A concrete wall isnā€™t practical in their situation. If they could scrounge a backhoe, a deep ditch might work, but as was said upthread, the fallen bodies would make a bridge. Do walkers get up after theyā€™ve fallen down? I should remember if weā€™ve seen this, but I donā€™t. I know weā€™ve seen them crawl, but do they get up? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2012, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-13-beside-the-dying-fire-season-finale-open-spoilers/616171/211 "2012-03-20T23:57:57Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > Do walkers get up after theyā€™ve fallen down? I should remember if weā€™ve seen this, but I donā€™t. I know weā€™ve seen them crawl, but do they get up? Experiment! Experiment! ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2012, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-13-beside-the-dying-fire-season-finale-open-spoilers/616171/212 "2012-03-21T01:19:13Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Zombie shows may become like Westerns on TV in the 1960s. > > ā€œHave Chain Saw, Will Travel.ā€ Iā€™d watch it. At least a few episodes. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2012, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-13-beside-the-dying-fire-season-finale-open-spoilers/616171/213 "2012-03-21T01:19:48Z")
Put me in the experiment camp, too - Iā€™d want to know as much as I could about The Enemy. ---
**Author:** ![obfusciatrist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4af34b/32.png) [@obfusciatrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/obfusciatrist)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2012, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-13-beside-the-dying-fire-season-finale-open-spoilers/616171/214 "2012-03-21T01:46:46Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > I know weā€™ve seen them crawl, but do they get up? Yes, Iā€™m pretty sure weā€™ve seen several examples of that. If nothing else the one who killed Dale fell down while trying to get out of the mud and kill Carl, and it was definitely upright when it pounced on Dale. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2012, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-13-beside-the-dying-fire-season-finale-open-spoilers/616171/215 "2012-03-21T01:51:24Z")
> [@asterion](#): > > Iā€™d watch it. At least a few episodes. Then gimme some help. \*Gunsmoke. \* Chainsaw Smoke? _The Big Valley_. The Big Zombie Trap? ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2012, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-13-beside-the-dying-fire-season-finale-open-spoilers/616171/216 "2012-03-21T01:55:43Z")
_Have Teeth, Will Travel_, at least until something gets in the way. _Rawhide_ ā€“ itā€™s not just for breakfast anymore! ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2012, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-13-beside-the-dying-fire-season-finale-open-spoilers/616171/217 "2012-03-21T02:12:49Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > _Have Teeth, Will Travel_, at least until something gets in the way. > > _Rawhide_ ā€“ itā€™s not just for breakfast anymore! Outstanding! ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2012, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-13-beside-the-dying-fire-season-finale-open-spoilers/616171/218 "2012-03-21T02:18:23Z")
Cheyenne -\> Infected Branded -\> Bitten The Rifleman -\> The Chainsaw Guy ---
**Author:** ![joew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/34f0e0/32.png) [@joew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joew)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2012, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-13-beside-the-dying-fire-season-finale-open-spoilers/616171/219 "2012-03-21T02:41:46Z")
I was pretty sure that Jenner at the CDC said that they did NOT know if it was viral, fungal, bacterial or whatever. Just that it happens and here is what it looks like. So while I would hate it, the door for a supernatural explanation is slightly ajar. ---
**Author:** ![Fubaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@Fubaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fubaya)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2012, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-13-beside-the-dying-fire-season-finale-open-spoilers/616171/220 "2012-03-21T04:22:05Z")
Yeah, after the video of the test subject, Andrea said ā€œYou have no idea what it is, do you?ā€ Jenner replies ā€œIt could be microbial, viral, parasitic, fungalā€¦ā€ Jacqui: ā€œā€¦or the wrath of God?ā€ Jenner ā€œā€¦there is that.ā€ I donā€™t like a supernatural explanation either, but it wasnā€™t nailed down as a virus. He did later say the French thought they were close to a solution before they lost power. I wouldnā€™t think a supernatural disease would have a solution, but I know very little about supernatural diseases šŸ˜‰ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-13-beside-the-dying-fire-season-finale-open-spoilers/616171.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-2-13-beside-the-dying-fire-season-finale-open-spoilers/616171.md?page=12)