# The Walking Dead; 3.02 "Sick" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 22, 2012, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-02-sick-open-spoilers/638468 "2012-10-22T00:16:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2012, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-02-sick-open-spoilers/638468/81 "2012-10-23T02:06:19Z")
We just watched it tonight. Rick is an asshole. Why in the hell does he act that way with Lori? Is he pissed that she slept with Shayne when she believed Rick to be dead? Is he pissed because she was angry with him for killing Shayne? ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2012, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-02-sick-open-spoilers/638468/82 "2012-10-23T02:07:54Z")
There could’ve been something we hadn’t seen in the 9 month time gap, but even besides that, he has plenty of reason to hate her. And he has every right to be angry with her over Shane - she was the one who talked him into killing him, and then when he did it, she was suddenly all “don’t touch me, don’t talk to me!” ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2012, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-02-sick-open-spoilers/638468/83 "2012-10-23T02:14:53Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > he has plenty of reason to hate her. Not unless he is a testosterone poisoned, Shayne like asshole. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2012, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-02-sick-open-spoilers/638468/84 "2012-10-23T02:59:22Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > I don’t buy that Tomas got along with his cellmates for those 10 months. I put the over/under of number of bodies Tomas killed and stuffed in the toilet room at 3. > > Lorie, Beth, Maggie and Carol represent an embarassment of riches for our gang. Actual, living women who can bear children in an apocalypse are worth 100 men. I don’t blame Rick a bit for killing the prisoners he killed, and further I probably would have killed the other two as well. > > As for our gang being the bad guys and not getting along with anyone they meet, they’ve met three groups of people so far, and the two groups of only guys were highly shady and got the killing they deserved at the hands of Rick. (Guidos in the bar, and the convicts.) The third group they came across wasn’t all guys, and that group was assimilated rather well, if a bit slowly. I’m not seeing a huge issue with our gang getting along with others who are worth trying to get along with. > > Basically, I guess what I’m saying is that if your group is only guys, I recommend killing. If there’s women in your group, assimilate. You’re forgetting the hospital in Atlanta, back when Rick still had a soul. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2012, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-02-sick-open-spoilers/638468/85 "2012-10-23T03:05:06Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Semi-related, if zombies aren’t attracted by the smell of other zombies (as indicated by an early episode where characters could walk among the zombies if they first covered themselves in zombie guts), what about killing zombies through the fence and then spacing their bodies out evenly along the perimeter? Wouldn’t that tend to discourage others? No - there is no evidence that zombies are repulsed by (or even notice) dead zombies. We do know that they are attracted to noise, and apparently can smell live humans. ---
**Author:** ![wheresmymind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/91b2a8/32.png) [@wheresmymind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wheresmymind)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2012, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-02-sick-open-spoilers/638468/86 "2012-10-23T03:09:34Z")
I tried to remember how many people have died in the group in a previous thread, now I’m going to do some research and figure it out… When Rick first meets up with the group when he escapes from the tank in Atlanta, it is composed of: Glenn (fast and nimble asian kid) T-bone (black guy whom writers ignore) Dale (old guy who drives old crappy Winnebago with an even older, crappier radiator hose) Andrea (hot blonde with a gun, played by Marita Covarrubias from the X-files) Amy (Andrea’s sister, who is also hot and blonde) Merle (Racist redneck who gets left for dead on the roof) Daryl (Merle’s younger brother, who is pretty good with a crossbow) Jim (lanky dude who digs a lot of holes) Jacqui (black woman whom the writers also ignore, although probably not as much as T-bone) Ed (Redneck wife beater) Carole (His crew cut-sporting wife) Sophia (Their walker-bait daughter) Morales (hispanic guy) Miranda (his wife) Eliza (their daughter) Louis (their son) Shane (Ricks’ former partner) Lori (Rick’s bitchy, worthless wife) Carl (Their stupid, worthless son) With Rick that’s 20 people in the original group. Of those, seven (Amy, Jim, Jacqui, Ed, Sophia, Dale, Shane) are confirmed dead, roughly in that order. Six more are no longer with the group: the four members of the Morales family, who left on their own accord, Merle, who was left for dead on a roof in Atlanta, and Andrea, who was lost in the final shoot-out at the farm. As far as the group is concerned they’re all likely dead, although watchers know Andrea and Merle are still alive. At the farm in season 2 they bump into: Otis (fat guy who shoots Carl, which makes him the best character in the series so far) Hershel (old guy with a farm and some sort of real-life Konami code when it comes to his shotgun) Maggie (Hershel’s daughter, who likes Glenn) Beth (Maggie’s sister, who tries to kill herself) Patricia (Otis’ wife) Jimmy (Beth’s farmhand boyfriend, who doesn’t know how to lock the doors on the Winnebago) Of those six, three are now dead (Otis, Patricia, Jimmy). So out of 26 people, the group has been whittled down to 10, with 10 confirmed dead, and six assumed dead. We’ve seen five living individuals killed for the sake of the group (mostly by Rick): three guys from the group they met at the bar, and the two prisoners this episode. Take-home points: the apparent mortality rate for those in Rick’s group is roughly 62% over a little less than a year. And people who encounter them have an almost 50% chance of being murdered by the group. It’s a tough world out there… ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2012, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-02-sick-open-spoilers/638468/87 "2012-10-23T03:11:25Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > No - there is no evidence that zombies are repulsed by (or even notice) dead zombies. We do know that they are attracted to noise, and apparently can smell live humans. Well, I meant in the sense that the smell of other zombies can mask the smell of the live humans, hence it’s in the humans’ interests to ring their new digs with clobbered zombies. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2012, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-02-sick-open-spoilers/638468/88 "2012-10-23T03:15:30Z")
T-Bone’s safe being ignored - I’m afraid as soon as we start seeing him becoming more prominent, it’ll just be a setup for his tragically pointless death, probably while distracted by Lori’s new chainsaw-juggling act. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2012, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-02-sick-open-spoilers/638468/89 "2012-10-23T03:19:39Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > No - there is no evidence that zombies are repulsed by (or even notice) dead zombies. We do know that they are attracted to noise, and apparently can smell live humans. Except back in episode 1.02 Rick & Glen were able to walk among the zombies without attracting notice by covering themselves in entrails & assorted viscera from a dead zombie. It worked right up until it started raining. And last season Daryl saved T-Dog’s life by throwing a dead zombie on top of him while the horde was passing by. ---
**Author:** ![obfusciatrist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4af34b/32.png) [@obfusciatrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/obfusciatrist)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2012, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-02-sick-open-spoilers/638468/90 "2012-10-23T03:28:57Z")
> [@wheresmymind](#): > > Take-home points: the apparent mortality rate for those in Rick’s group is roughly 62% over a little less than a year. And people who encounter them have an almost 50% chance of being murdered by the group. It’s a tough world out there… Don’t forget the nursing home gang in Atlanta. I don’t think any of them were killed so that reduced the fatality rate among those met by our gang. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2012, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-02-sick-open-spoilers/638468/91 "2012-10-23T12:02:16Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Except back in episode 1.02 Rick & Glen were able to walk among the zombies without attracting notice by covering themselves in entrails & assorted viscera from a dead zombie. It worked right up until it started raining. And last season Daryl saved T-Dog’s life by throwing a dead zombie on top of him while the horde was passing by. I wonder if you mean something different by “repulse” than **Folacin** does. To me, “repulse” means “actively discouraging an approach.” I didn’t see any walkers being discouaged from approaching dead walkers–they simply took no notice of them. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2012, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-02-sick-open-spoilers/638468/92 "2012-10-23T12:20:40Z")
Was the show intentionally toying with me by having Hershel, after waking up and taking Rick’s hand, seem almost expressionless except for an occasional lip twitch that could be read as a walker-style snarl? Or was I reading too much into that… Also, btw, in the final episode of last season, what was going on with the flashes of walker-mouths during Shane’s “awakening”? Was that Shane hearing the call of his new Walker bretheren or what? (I mean, I don’t actually think that, but I was unable to come up with any other meaning for those flashes. The show hasn’t ever, as far as I can remember, shown anything on the screen not meant to represent some concrete actual thing existing in the story, so I was taken aback by the apparently abstract nature of those flashes and was trying to create some in-story justification for them.) ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2012, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-02-sick-open-spoilers/638468/93 "2012-10-23T12:54:52Z")
Shane’s death and reanimation was actually the second-to-last episode of the previous season. Maybe the flashes of walker-mouths symbolized how Shane’s entire thought process was becoming dedicated to hunger, and only hunger. Of course, on reviewing the scene, I’m even more annoyed by Carl pointing the gun seemingly at Rick but actually at Shane, and somehow managing to shoot through Rick to hit Shane. As opposed to, y’know, taking a few steps to the side or telling Rick to get out of the way. ---
**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2012, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-02-sick-open-spoilers/638468/94 "2012-10-23T12:55:47Z")
> [@wheresmymind](#): > > I tried to remember how many people have died in the group in a previous thread, now I’m going to do some research and figure it out… > > When Rick first meets up with the group when he escapes from the tank in Atlanta, it is composed of: > > Glenn (fast and nimble asian kid) > T-bone (black guy whom writers ignore) > Dale (old guy who drives old crappy Winnebago with an even older, crappier radiator hose) > Andrea (hot blonde with a gun, played by Marita Covarrubias from the X-files) > Amy (Andrea’s sister, who is also hot and blonde) > Merle (Racist redneck who gets left for dead on the roof) > Daryl (Merle’s younger brother, who is pretty good with a crossbow) > Jim (lanky dude who digs a lot of holes) > Jacqui (black woman whom the writers also ignore, although probably not as much as T-bone) > Ed (Redneck wife beater) > Carole (His crew cut-sporting wife) > Sophia (Their walker-bait daughter) > Morales (hispanic guy) > Miranda (his wife) > Eliza (their daughter) > Louis (their son) > Shane (Ricks’ former partner) > Lori (Rick’s bitchy, worthless wife) > Carl (Their stupid, worthless son) > > With Rick that’s 20 people in the original group. Of those, seven (Amy, Jim, Jacqui, Ed, Sophia, Dale, Shane) are confirmed dead, roughly in that order. Six more are no longer with the group: the four members of the Morales family, who left on their own accord, Merle, who was left for dead on a roof in Atlanta, and Andrea, who was lost in the final shoot-out at the farm. As far as the group is concerned they’re all likely dead, although watchers know Andrea and Merle are still alive. > > At the farm in season 2 they bump into: > Otis (fat guy who shoots Carl, which makes him the best character in the series so far) > Hershel (old guy with a farm and some sort of real-life Konami code when it comes to his shotgun) > Maggie (Hershel’s daughter, who likes Glenn) > Beth (Maggie’s sister, who tries to kill herself) > Patricia (Otis’ wife) > Jimmy (Beth’s farmhand boyfriend, who doesn’t know how to lock the doors on the Winnebago) > > Of those six, three are now dead (Otis, Patricia, Jimmy). So out of 26 people, the group has been whittled down to 10, with 10 confirmed dead, and six assumed dead. We’ve seen five living individuals killed for the sake of the group (mostly by Rick): three guys from the group they met at the bar, and the two prisoners this episode. > > Take-home points: the apparent mortality rate for those in Rick’s group is roughly 62% over a little less than a year. And people who encounter them have an almost 50% chance of being murdered by the group. It’s a tough world out there… Wow! That’s impressive. Thanks for all the info. I have been to this site : > **[Walking Dead Wiki](https://walkingdead.fandom.com/wiki/The_Walking_Dead_Wiki)** It really helped me to catch up on the show. I never watched it regularly, until the last three episodes of the second season. I had seen snippets of a few previous episodes, but was less than impressed at first. (It seemed like a lot of silly melodramatic moments, interspersed with some occasional zombie action.) Then I caught the original episode, and was blown away! If I had seen it from the beginning, I would have been hooked from the start, I think, despite the weak moments from the second season. Quite the fun show! I will be watching it religiously from here on out. Another question – the hot black chick with the katana (can’t think of her name right now) ; why does she have pet zombies? [The “no arms, no jaws” look is quite eerie, I must admit, if also a bit perplexing…] Or has the reason even been revealed yet? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2012, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-02-sick-open-spoilers/638468/95 "2012-10-23T13:02:37Z")
> [@wheresmymind](#): > > Hershel (old guy with a farm and some sort of real-life Konami code when it comes to his shotgun) An accurate description. I had to look it up. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![MeanJoe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanjoe/32/5693_2.png) [@MeanJoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanJoe)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2012, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-02-sick-open-spoilers/638468/96 "2012-10-23T13:05:19Z")
> [@gytalf2000](#): > > Another question – the hot black chick with the katana (can’t think of her name right now) ; why does she have pet zombies? [The “no arms, no jaws” look is quite eerie, I must admit, if also a bit perplexing…] Or has the reason even been revealed yet? Her name is Michonne. I think there are a couple reasons: practical and psychological. Practical - As has been established, zombies ignore other zombies. Rick and Glenn used zombie remains to walk through a crowd of zombies. Same principal. By keeping zombies near, it helps her elude other zombies. Psychological - I’m going to leave my thoughts on this one out as I don’t think it has been revealed on the t.v. show who the two zombies are in relation to Michonne. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2012, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-02-sick-open-spoilers/638468/97 "2012-10-23T13:20:26Z")
> [@Frylock](#): > > Also, btw, in the final episode of last season, what was going on with the flashes of walker-mouths during Shane’s “awakening”? Was that Shane hearing the call of his new Walker bretheren or what? Yes. That scene was depicting the change to zombie from a first-person point of view. ---
**Author:** ![SykoSkotty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c0e974/32.png) [@SykoSkotty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SykoSkotty)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2012, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-02-sick-open-spoilers/638468/98 "2012-10-23T13:43:14Z")
> [@Frylock](#): > > The show hasn’t ever, as far as I can remember, shown anything on the screen not meant to represent some concrete actual thing existing in the story, so I was taken aback by the apparently abstract nature of those flashes and was trying to create some in-story justification for them. Actually, they’ve done this before. In season one Ep 5, when Jimmy is in the RV, after he’s been bitten by a walker, he’s delirious with fever and they show the same sequence of walker flashes. It’s done to represent the metamorphosis from human to walker. ---
**Author:** ![stegon66](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee59a6/32.png) [@stegon66](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stegon66)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2012, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-02-sick-open-spoilers/638468/99 "2012-10-23T14:20:28Z")
> [@](#): > > Don’t forget the nursing home gang in Atlanta. I don’t think any of them were killed so that reduced the fatality rate among those met by our gang. Well, there is that deleted scene from season two in which the nursing home gang is shown to have been wiped out…and not by walkers. We also have Morgan and his son (whom Rick stayed with briefly in season one). Their fate is known in the books but they have yet to reappear in the show. And I think I know what’s going to happen to T-Dog. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![stegon66](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee59a6/32.png) [@stegon66](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stegon66)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2012, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-02-sick-open-spoilers/638468/100 "2012-10-23T14:25:58Z")
Speaking of Morgan and the Morales family, I think it’d be interesting to occasionally see an episode that focuses on someone other than Rick’s gang. An episode about Morgan and another featuring the Morales…anyone up for that? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-02-sick-open-spoilers/638468.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-02-sick-open-spoilers/638468.md?page=6)