# The Walking Dead; 3.03 "Walk with Me" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 29, 2012, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-03-walk-with-me-open-spoilers/639173 "2012-10-29T00:24:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Reverse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@Reverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reverse)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2012, 10:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-03-walk-with-me-open-spoilers/639173/21 "2012-10-29T10:48:42Z")
> [@voltaire](#): > > You know how they’re starting to insinuate that the Walkers might, in some cases, retain fragments of their former selves? Well, help me out here: who is there, that the main crew has left behind for zombie bait, but not killed with a head-shot? Could this be a semi-sentient zombie that they’re familiar with? > > Even if it’s not someone they were familiar with, I still get that vibe that it’s gonna be a semi-sentient zombie. Now that they’re seemingly safe from zombies while tucked away in the prison, the only way the zombies can continue to be a threat to them is if there’s a “smart” zombie out there to rally the troops and figure out how to break in. Unless of course, one of the prisoners, or other human outsiders (like the Governor and Merle’s crew) break through the perimeter and let a zombie herd in. > > But my money is still on the hidden observer being a smart zombie, and maybe even a \*familiar \*smart zombie. The zombie threat is starting to get too boring and easy to deal with - they need Walkers 2.0 to keep this thing interesting, IMO. You couldn’t be more wrong. Smart zombies aren’t part of the mythos. As far as zombies retaining some memories of their former lives, we’ve known that since the first episode of the series. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2012, 10:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-03-walk-with-me-open-spoilers/639173/22 "2012-10-29T10:54:32Z")
> [@running\_piglet\_cheese](#): > > I don’t really think the Governor is really so much worse than Rick and he’s having more success than Rick with the organization and protection. Did you miss the part where the governor gathered a group of his men together and set off to straight out murder those soldiers/guardsman? ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2012, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-03-walk-with-me-open-spoilers/639173/23 "2012-10-29T12:14:09Z")
So what’s up with the tea? They certainly made a point of that. ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2012, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-03-walk-with-me-open-spoilers/639173/24 "2012-10-29T12:14:25Z")
> [@Reverse](#): > > You couldn’t be more wrong. Smart zombies aren’t part of the mythos. As far as zombies retaining some memories of their former lives, we’ve known that since the first episode of the series. I hope you’re talking about zombie mythos in general, and not answering that with specific foreknowledge. Either way, I’d prefer you didn’t answer that, because I really don’t care about the former, and I’d rather not know about the latter. I was just theorizing and hoping, not looking to have anything answered definitively. As for your reference to the first episode, I assume you’re talking about the black guy’s wife who lingered around the house. It’s been quite a while since I’ve seen that episode, but I vaguely remember that as being somewhat ambiguous at to whether she was just lurking in the same area she was bitten and hoping to feed, or if she was displaying indications of having retained memory. Feel free to refresh my memory (heh) of her actions, but either way, I really don’t think anything she did rose to the level of being “smart” or semi-sentient. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2012, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-03-walk-with-me-open-spoilers/639173/25 "2012-10-29T12:16:09Z")
IIRC, wasn’t there a scene where the wife tried the handle of the door of her own house? ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2012, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-03-walk-with-me-open-spoilers/639173/26 "2012-10-29T12:34:21Z")
Everyone is Igor Sikorsky now. Of course helicopters can crash in a catastrophic way. Especially if something that is critical to controlling the rotors breaks. I highly doubt the Woodbury folk could take out a helicopter with their small arms. The “shot” you heard was probably something breaking. ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2012, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-03-walk-with-me-open-spoilers/639173/27 "2012-10-29T13:11:17Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > IIRC, wasn’t there a scene where the wife tried the handle of the door of her own house? That sounds right, but hiding in the woods while observing and presumably plotting would be an order of magnitude beyond that. Anyway, it’s just a theory that I’m pulling for because the whole zombie aspect has gotten quite stale and boring, IMO. Probably just wishful thinking… ---
**Author:** ![MeanJoe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanjoe/32/5693_2.png) [@MeanJoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanJoe)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2012, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-03-walk-with-me-open-spoilers/639173/28 "2012-10-29T13:28:29Z")
Anyone have any idea what the zombie kill count or ratio is this season? Seems to me to be far higher than past seasons at this point. We are getting lots of good ones for only a few episodes into the new season. ---
**Author:** ![salinqmind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3ec8ea/32.png) [@salinqmind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/salinqmind)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2012, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-03-walk-with-me-open-spoilers/639173/29 "2012-10-29T13:41:15Z")
> [@voltaire](#): > > That sounds right, but hiding in the woods while observing and presumably plotting would be an order of magnitude beyond that. > > Anyway, it’s just a theory that I’m pulling for because the whole zombie aspect has gotten quite stale and boring, IMO. Probably just wishful thinking… I kind of know what you mean, I watched zombie stuff all day Saturday on the Syfy channel and basically it was all the same scenario over and over. It’s the survivors story that is most interesting. ---
**Author:** ![running\_piglet\_cheese](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/22d042/32.png) [@running\_piglet\_cheese](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_piglet_cheese)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2012, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-03-walk-with-me-open-spoilers/639173/30 "2012-10-29T13:49:20Z")
On Andrea and Melatonin being allowed to leave, I don’t think so. If they choose to leave then I’m sure they will be hunted down and killed in order to protect the existence of Woodbury. Do you think the Governor is so curious about Rick’s group because he wants to hunt them down too? I think Michonne would be more willing to stay if they would return her sword. I think being alone so long she has learned to rely on herself for everything and her sword is part of her identity. Take that away and she no longer knows who she is or how to act. I don’t think she would go loopy and start killing people. That being said, I can understand why the village needs to carefully control these type of things… Regarding the aquarium heads, when you don’t have the TV talking heads, you have to make do. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2012, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-03-walk-with-me-open-spoilers/639173/31 "2012-10-29T13:55:05Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Woodbury appears to be a functional society where people have a reasonable amount of freedom. It’s certainly not like she showed up and it turned out to be rapeville. Why the curfew? Is that when folks disappear to fuel the street torches with human fat? ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2012, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-03-walk-with-me-open-spoilers/639173/32 "2012-10-29T14:04:33Z")
Well, because quite obviously night is a more dangerous world in the zombie apocalypse. If there’s a strict curfew, the guards will know that any movement is suspicious. There’s less potential for accidental shootings. If there is some sort of zombie break in, there’s less likely to be any vector for turned people to turn others. They told the story in this episode of the military base that was somehow infilitrated, and people started getting turned, which turned to panic, which turned to more being turned - keeping everyone locked in safely at night is a significant boost to security in this situation. People are more diurnal anyway without electricity - it’s not as big a sacrifice. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2012, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-03-walk-with-me-open-spoilers/639173/33 "2012-10-29T14:10:21Z")
> [@running\_piglet\_cheese](#): > > I think Michonne would be more willing to stay if they would return her sword. I think being alone so long she has learned to rely on herself for everything and her sword is part of her identity. The timeline is a bit odd, but I think Michonne has actually been with Andrea considerably longer at this point than she was alone, despite what has been shown on screen. ---
**Author:** ![SykoSkotty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c0e974/32.png) [@SykoSkotty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SykoSkotty)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2012, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-03-walk-with-me-open-spoilers/639173/34 "2012-10-29T14:13:16Z")
As for the helicopter crash, when the pilot was talking to the Governor, he explained that the helicopter took some serious damage from a walker attack, but they flew it anyway because they had no other means of getting away. I think the Governor killed the military guys in order to take their supplies and vehicles, furthering Woodbury’s inventory. The curfew is to keep people safe. After dark, everything becomes more dangerous. Seems like a no-brainer to me. In the previews for next week, someone is opening the gates to the prison, allowing walkers in…not sure who this is but I’m guessing it’s whomever was watching Carrol. ---
**Author:** ![joew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/34f0e0/32.png) [@joew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joew)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2012, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-03-walk-with-me-open-spoilers/639173/35 "2012-10-29T14:22:35Z")
i think that the person in the woods is Morgan. i haven’t read the comics or anything, but he was a pretty major character for the first couple of episodes and they continued the ruse for awhile after that. plus i like that actor, so bring him back (wishful thinking) ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2012, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-03-walk-with-me-open-spoilers/639173/36 "2012-10-29T14:49:38Z")
> [@joew](#): > > i think that the person in the woods is Morgan. i haven’t read the comics or anything, but he was a pretty major character for the first couple of episodes and they continued the ruse for awhile after that. plus i like that actor, so bring him back (wishful thinking) I liked him in _Jericho._ Curfew: Oh yeah? So when does the Governor collect human fat for his torches and electrical generators, hmmmm? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![wheresmymind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/91b2a8/32.png) [@wheresmymind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wheresmymind)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2012, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-03-walk-with-me-open-spoilers/639173/37 "2012-10-29T15:22:17Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > So what’s up with the tea? They certainly made a point of that. Yeah, during breakfast I was sure the tea was drugged (although the scientist drank plenty of it himself). As the scene ended I kept waiting to see their eyelids droop. During their conversation in the laboratory the Governor mentioned that the tea was one of the reasons he needed the scientist, but I read that as a joke insinuating that he made a mean cup of tea and nothing more. Perhaps it was just a symbol of the safe, idyllic community they’ve set up? Rick’s group fighting tooth and nail to survive, desperate for food and supplies, while in Woodbury normalcy reigns. You can even get a nice cuppa. Did anyone else think “Carl wouldn’t make it 10 minutes here” when the Governor mentioned the curfew? “We’re sorry folks, but your son was a moron who was putting the whole town in danger with his constant wandering and inability to follow directions. We had to put him down…” ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2012, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-03-walk-with-me-open-spoilers/639173/38 "2012-10-29T15:24:52Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > They told the story in this episode of the military base that was somehow infilitrated, and people started getting turned On that front, I’m guessing that the base didn’t know about everyone being infected. Someone died in the hospital, got hauled to the morgue, and started munching down. You’d think that they would know about that, but it’s not out that far out to think they didn’t. Presumably most of the people dying in the zombie apocalapse do so from zombie bites, so you wouldn’t figure it out right away. Plus, of course, it’s a really depressing thing, so you’d be looking for ways to not accept it. One time our heros even assume that there must have been a bite or scratch on some zombies who didn’t have obvious injuries. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2012, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-03-walk-with-me-open-spoilers/639173/39 "2012-10-29T15:32:51Z")
> [@wheresmymind](#): > > Yeah, during breakfast I was sure the tea was drugged (although the scientist drank plenty of it himself). As the scene ended I kept waiting to see their eyelids droop. During their conversation in the laboratory the Governor mentioned that the tea was one of the reasons he needed the scientist, but I read that as a joke insinuating that he made a mean cup of tea and nothing more. Perhaps it was just a symbol of the safe, idyllic community they’ve set up? Rick’s group fighting tooth and nail to survive, desperate for food and supplies, while in Woodbury normalcy reigns. You can even get a nice cuppa. I think it’s more than that, but I’m not sure what. Crack tea, to make everyone in the town dependent on the Governor’s supply? I dunno. > [@](#): > > Did anyone else think “Carl wouldn’t make it 10 minutes here” when the Governor mentioned the curfew? “We’re sorry folks, but your son was a moron who was putting the whole town in danger with his constant wandering and inability to follow directions. We had to put him down…” Well, that would put the Governor back in the “good guy” category. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Reverse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@Reverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reverse)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2012, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-03-walk-with-me-open-spoilers/639173/40 "2012-10-29T15:41:10Z")
> [@wheresmymind](#): > > Yeah, during breakfast I was sure the tea was drugged (although the scientist drank plenty of it himself). As the scene ended I kept waiting to see their eyelids droop. During their conversation in the laboratory the Governor mentioned that the tea was one of the reasons he needed the scientist, but I read that as a joke insinuating that he made a mean cup of tea and nothing more. Perhaps it was just a symbol of the safe, idyllic community they’ve set up? Rick’s group fighting tooth and nail to survive, desperate for food and supplies, while in Woodbury normalcy reigns. You can even get a nice cuppa. One of the writer’s really likes his tea. It’s an inside joke based on that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-03-walk-with-me-open-spoilers/639173.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-03-walk-with-me-open-spoilers/639173.md?page=3)