# The Walking Dead; 3.04 "Killer Within" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 5, 2012, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-04-killer-within-open-spoilers/639908 "2012-11-05T01:05:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2012, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-04-killer-within-open-spoilers/639908/21 "2012-11-05T04:19:35Z")
> [@bouv](#): > > And Andrew was the prisoner that, in the second episode, ran away from Rick after he killed the other prisoner. He ran out into a small, fenced-off portion of the yard, and Rick just closed the door on him. We were to assume he got killed, but clearly he somehow made it out…and found an axe…and was clever enough to do all that stuff he did. That’s the guy that was messing with the generators then right? Is this the same person that’s been peeking though the bushes or are we still waiting for that person to reveal themself? ---
**Author:** ![randwill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a3d4f5/32.png) [@randwill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randwill)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2012, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-04-killer-within-open-spoilers/639908/22 "2012-11-05T04:25:00Z")
> [@ExTank](#): > > Andrew was part of the prison group; he was locked out by Rick two eps. back, and presumed eaten by Walkers, but that wasn’t shown or confirmed on-screen. > > I appears he “made it” out of the walker-infested yard after Rick turned and left him for dead. > > ETA: D’oh! Double-ninja! Okay, I guess I was just so sure that he was dead that I figured that this was a new guy. ---
**Author:** ![melondeca](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@melondeca](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/melondeca)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2012, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-04-killer-within-open-spoilers/639908/23 "2012-11-05T04:26:19Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > Carol ran down a hallway when T-Dog held back the two zombies. Did we have another reason to believe she didn’t make it? Rick’s group picked her head scarf off the floor after they saw T-Dog’s body. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2012, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-04-killer-within-open-spoilers/639908/24 "2012-11-05T04:29:34Z")
Holy flurking shnit! That was intense! Sorry to see T-Dog go. I wish they had done more with his character. I figured Lori would be toast sooner rather than later, but I didn’t expect to see her die immediately after they killed off one of the other regulars. I’m really interested to see how they cope with the baby now. This could be a big departure from the comics. Maggie is pretty awesome. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2012, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-04-killer-within-open-spoilers/639908/25 "2012-11-05T05:31:13Z")
Carl didn’t shoot Lori. Of if he did, he didn’t kill her. Rick is going to find her next episode. Tara is still irritating as shit. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2012, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-04-killer-within-open-spoilers/639908/26 "2012-11-05T05:50:42Z")
I wish they’d have done Lori’s death differently. Death scenes with speeches – especially well thought out speeches – unrealistic, contrived. They almost never work. (Boromir and Roy Batty are two exceptions.) This one didn’t work for me. I should have cared about what Carl and Lori were going through but I didn’t. Rick’s reaction did work – honest and gut wrenching. It didn’t help that the actor playing Carl has one facial expression. Or that I was distracted by how quickly the baby went from covered in body fluids to clean in a few seconds, and that Maggie appeared to walk away without cutting the cord. Maggie shouldn’t have let Carl shoot Lori. Killing walkers is one thing, killing your mom is quite another, even in their situation. Maggie should have done it – doesn’t matter that Carl believed it was his responsibility. Who’s the adult here? I like what’s going on with Merle and the Governor, and I like that Andrea is being seduced by safety and comfort, and maybe some physical attraction. That’s interesting. Chuckled at Daryl talking about how he lived all his life around degenerates, like he was going to vote for letting the two guys join the group, then “Hell no”. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2012, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-04-killer-within-open-spoilers/639908/27 "2012-11-05T06:03:54Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > I wish they’d have done Lori’s death differently. Death scenes with speeches – especially well thought out speeches – unrealistic, contrived. They almost never work. (Boromir and Roy Batty are two exceptions.) This one didn’t work for me. I should have cared about what Carl and Lori were going through but I didn’t. Rick’s reaction did work – honest and gut wrenching. About three second in I thought to myself “This is a deathbed speech isn’t it. She’s about to die” then I though “a lot of dopers are gonna be really happy about that”. > [@](#): > > Or that I was distracted by how quickly the baby went from covered in body fluids to clean in a few seconds, and that Maggie appeared to walk away without cutting the cord. You noticed that too? At first I was surprised that she actually produced a baby that looked like it had just been born. I figured since they had such a good makeup team, they should be able to do that. Then a second later, she had a perfectly clean baby. Which she somehow managed to clean with a few swipes of a denim jacket. I wonder if there was some reason they couldn’t have left the baby messy for the next few seconds and the one more scene it was in. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2012, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-04-killer-within-open-spoilers/639908/28 "2012-11-05T06:16:35Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > About three second in I thought to myself “This is a deathbed speech isn’t it. She’s about to die” then I though “a lot of dopers are gonna be really happy about that”. We should have expected it, since she was on a redemption arc, what with saving Hershel’s life, and with the looks she and Rick exchanged in this episode. What pisses me off the most about Carl killing Lori is that we’ll be treated to his mopey face for the rest of the season. Rick will tell him he did the right thing, yadda yadda. The scene should have been Maggie arguing with Carl, and Carl stamping his foot and saying “No! Daddy said **I** could kill Mommy!” ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2012, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-04-killer-within-open-spoilers/639908/29 "2012-11-05T06:24:07Z")
I was sort of hoping the baby would have been stillborn. Maybe too grim or sadistic, but I think it would have made her death even that more devastating, and there’s no way they can safely keep the baby anyway. It’s obvious (s)he’s going to die at some point, and probably sooner rather than later. Maggie and Rick got me to actually shed some tears at the end of the episode, though I really could have done without Rick’s flailing. I hope the two prisoners are included in the group and are more than just glorified extras. I especially like Axel. ---
**Author:** ![palacheck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a88e57/32.png) [@palacheck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/palacheck)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2012, 7:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-04-killer-within-open-spoilers/639908/30 "2012-11-05T07:43:40Z")
The actor cast as Tall Black Prisoner Guy had better hope the next group of survivors that Rick’s group runs across doesn’t have a black guy with a compelling back-story, otherwise he’s gonna be out of a job. Might be a good idea to send a fruit basket to the wives and husbands of every writer on this show. Oh and Carl’s heading down Sociopath Lane. Spending your adolescence cutting and chopping up corpses, getting your elderly friend-of-the-family killed, and having to put a bullet in your disemboweled mother’s temple can’t be good for your personality development. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2012, 10:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-04-killer-within-open-spoilers/639908/31 "2012-11-05T10:33:58Z")
Now I feel really bad for T-Dog/Dogg/Dawg. His character was so unmemorable that nobody can even remember how to spell his name. Anybody else notice that Carl “Old Yeller’d” Lori? “She’s my mom” he says, gun in hand. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2012, 11:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-04-killer-within-open-spoilers/639908/32 "2012-11-05T11:39:36Z")
So almost always when the network interjects and puts in their own showrunner, they’re going to kill the show. Here’s one they apparently got right. The show went from "ugh this is so dumb but I have to watch it due to the setting and the occasional great scene’ to legitimately very good instantly. ---
**Author:** ![coolbyrne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/bc79bd/32.png) [@coolbyrne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coolbyrne)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2012, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-04-killer-within-open-spoilers/639908/33 "2012-11-05T12:29:19Z")
Did Oscar kill Andrew because he knew there was only room for one Token Black Guy in this group? Sheesh. I find it interesting that the two characters who are showing the most development are two that weren’t in the comics at all- the brothers, Darryl and Merle. I wonder how much writing control Robert Kirkman has given up this year, because, while there are still a lot of little things that really annoy the shit out of me about this show, the writing for the characters has gotten tighter. ---
**Author:** ![running\_piglet\_cheese](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/22d042/32.png) [@running\_piglet\_cheese](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_piglet_cheese)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2012, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-04-killer-within-open-spoilers/639908/34 "2012-11-05T12:30:27Z")
AuntiePam, I totally agree about Maggie and Carl. She should totally have killed her. Haven’t been too pleased with her since she gave up on Hershel and did the whole “it’s time to move on, Dad” scene. It was about time for Rick to have a meltdown. I’m surprised more people don’t lose it on a more regular basis. Lori was his foundation and even if they were having problems they so depended on one another to hold it together. I think he’s going to go batsh\*\* and start killing zombies like crazy. Zombaby - Perfect. ---
**Author:** ![running\_piglet\_cheese](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/22d042/32.png) [@running\_piglet\_cheese](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_piglet_cheese)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2012, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-04-killer-within-open-spoilers/639908/35 "2012-11-05T12:31:49Z")
BTW, John M, Who is Tara? ---
**Author:** ![salinqmind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3ec8ea/32.png) [@salinqmind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/salinqmind)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2012, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-04-killer-within-open-spoilers/639908/36 "2012-11-05T12:43:34Z")
Calling Michonne ‘Tara’ because Tara on True Blood is another angry glaring black woman. Well, I hope everyone is happy now that Lori is gone. I’m wondering if they’re going to find some kind of milk-bearing animal to feed the baby. The first few days they can dip a rag in sugar water and give it to the baby to suck, that will keep it alive. ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2012, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-04-killer-within-open-spoilers/639908/37 "2012-11-05T12:52:21Z")
Bad enough we’re only allowed one black guy on this show, but only one black woman on my entire TeeVee? Daaaaaaaaaamn. ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2012, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-04-killer-within-open-spoilers/639908/38 "2012-11-05T13:10:45Z")
> [@DianaG](#): > > And holy crap, how traumatized for life (well, you know, MORE traumatized for life) are Maggie and Carl? Jesus. I can imagine Maggie talking to Glenn later on: “It was awful- she died as I performed an emergency c-section. I other news, remember that sex we’re _never, ever going to have again_?” Darryl, once again, proves to be baddest hillbilly alive. Everyone else can take a flying leap- if I’m in a zombie apocalypse, I want Darryl backing me up. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2012, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-04-killer-within-open-spoilers/639908/39 "2012-11-05T13:11:54Z")
Poor Lori. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![running\_piglet\_cheese](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/22d042/32.png) [@running\_piglet\_cheese](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_piglet_cheese)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2012, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-04-killer-within-open-spoilers/639908/40 "2012-11-05T13:21:04Z")
I so agree with the Tara reference. I was thinking True Blood every time I saw Michonne, but I couldn’t remember her name. They really are similar. I liked how Daryl was holding the door closed in boiler room and never asking for help. Then when he couldn’t hold it anymore he just grabs his crossbow and BLAM then STAB. I want him on my team for sure. To all you comic readers of Walking Dead, how many comics does one season cover? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-04-killer-within-open-spoilers/639908.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-04-killer-within-open-spoilers/639908.md?page=3)