# The Walking Dead; 3.04 "Killer Within" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 5, 2012, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-04-killer-within-open-spoilers/639908 "2012-11-05T01:05:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2012, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-04-killer-within-open-spoilers/639908/161 "2012-11-06T22:21:46Z")
I think they are missing a golden opportunity. The zombies are virtual perpetual motion machines. Either that or their energy output is far greater than their energy input so much that they should be able to power a full electrical grid. You just need a very large mouse wheel. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2012, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-04-killer-within-open-spoilers/639908/162 "2012-11-06T22:59:44Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > I think they are missing a golden opportunity. The zombies are virtual perpetual motion machines. Either that or their energy output is far greater than their energy input so much that they should be able to power a full electrical grid. You just need a very large mouse wheel. That’s actually not a bad idea! Like a horse mill, but attached to a generator. lol. Hang a piece of meat in front of them and lets see how long it takes these things to starve to death! ---
**Author:** ![Feyrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/fbc32d/32.png) [@Feyrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Feyrat)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2012, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-04-killer-within-open-spoilers/639908/163 "2012-11-06T23:38:50Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Can’t have two black guys on the same show now, can we? That’s EXACTLY what I said when it happened \>.\< I was like, oh, I guess we’re gonna make friends with Oscar (RBG) since we just killed off T-Dogg. Damn, south sure is white these days. > [@running\_piglet\_cheese](#): > > Thanks, Hats. That helped. Speaking of comics, I asked before, but will try again. Any idea how many comics make up one season of WD? Was mentioned last night on TD that there were 107 comics so there was a lot a material to glean from. I don’t think they link up at all. I’m a current reader, have been keeping up for about a year, and the show is SO different at this point that there’s more just like “touchpoints” of correlation, rather than a direct matchup at all. > [@Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](#): > > Of course, this is the show that had Maggie walk away from Lori’s corpse with the cord still attached, so who knows? (And what a missed opportunity for some slapstick - yoink!) No they didn’t. She cut the cord. I’ve gotta say, their best chance is that Carol will probably be gaga to take over mommy duties once they dig her out of her hidey-hole in the prison. She’s a mature woman who’s raised (and lost) a child, she’ll do a far better job than Maggie and Beth. And since Carol doesn’t do much on the show besides make puppy eyes at Darryl, that’s fine. My question is: why the fuck didn’t they shoot Lori in the head BEFORE cutting her open? They knew she wasn’t going to survive, everyone had already acknowledged the point, she’d said her goodbyes and engaged Maggie in a (broken) promise to put her down so she wouldn’t come back and Rick wouldn’t have to be the one to shoot her. So why not put a bullet in her brain BEFORE slicing her open? Dear god. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2012, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-04-killer-within-open-spoilers/639908/164 "2012-11-06T23:42:04Z")
> [@Feyrat](#): > > My question is: why the fuck didn’t they shoot Lori in the head BEFORE cutting her open? They knew she wasn’t going to survive, everyone had already acknowledged the point, she’d said her goodbyes and engaged Maggie in a (broken) promise to put her down so she wouldn’t come back and Rick wouldn’t have to be the one to shoot her. So why not put a bullet in her brain BEFORE slicing her open? Dear god. They had a hard enough time cutting her open to save the baby. No way either one of them could have shot her first. ---
**Author:** ![Feyrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/fbc32d/32.png) [@Feyrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Feyrat)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2012, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-04-killer-within-open-spoilers/639908/165 "2012-11-07T00:04:22Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > They had a hard enough time cutting her open to save the baby. No way either one of them could have shot her first. I would have a much easier time putting a bullet in someone’s head to save them suffering than I would fucking VIVISECTING someone who’s totally conscious. And I’m someone who does necropsies and is comfortable with anatomy, blood, etc. There’s no way I’d be able to handle that screaming. Plus, there’s no way in HELL that Lori would have been able to stay that still. The moment the knife bit into her, she’d jerk and thrash, and the baby probably would have been stabbed before the cut was complete. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2012, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-04-killer-within-open-spoilers/639908/166 "2012-11-07T00:18:38Z")
> [@Feyrat](#): > > I would have a much easier time putting a bullet in someone’s head to save them suffering than I would fucking VIVISECTING someone who’s totally conscious. It wasn’t some “someone” though. In one case it was a mother and in the other case it was a person you had been surviving with for the past few months. Maybe you are psychologically prepared\* to blow Lori’s brains out but I don’t think either one of them was. - A lot of people on this message board might be psychologically prepared to blow Lori’s brains out though. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2012, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-04-killer-within-open-spoilers/639908/167 "2012-11-07T00:26:04Z")
One of the reasons I enjoy this show is that the characters often act illogically. In my opinion this makes the show more realistic, not less. ---
**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2012, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-04-killer-within-open-spoilers/639908/168 "2012-11-07T00:42:22Z")
> [@Southern\_Yankee](#): > > I remember just an upper torso crawling around though… Yeah, this. Unless he had a brain injury he’s going to reanimate, and just because he’s not a threat doesn’t make that okay to let that happen. I certainly hope they provided him with a brain injury. ---
**Author:** ![running\_piglet\_cheese](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/22d042/32.png) [@running\_piglet\_cheese](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_piglet_cheese)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2012, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-04-killer-within-open-spoilers/639908/169 "2012-11-07T01:32:17Z")
So what’s with these long, lingering looks between Beth and Carl? Isn’t he a little young for a widowed love interest? That would be a little hard for me to handle. I’ve become numb to the killing of dozens of people living and dead, but a 12 year old having sex is pretty out there for me. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2012, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-04-killer-within-open-spoilers/639908/170 "2012-11-07T01:42:15Z")
A niggling irritation - Andrea and the glass of scotch. She doesn’t want just a little - keep it coming, barkeep! Then she takes two sips and leaves. In my head, the Governor pours her glass of scotch back in the bottle, tutting to himself about, “Waste not, want not, you silly cow.” ---
**Author:** ![Feyrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/fbc32d/32.png) [@Feyrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Feyrat)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2012, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-04-killer-within-open-spoilers/639908/171 "2012-11-07T02:25:25Z")
> [@running\_piglet\_cheese](#): > > So what’s with these long, lingering looks between Beth and Carl? Isn’t he a little young for a widowed love interest? That would be a little hard for me to handle. I’ve become numb to the killing of dozens of people living and dead, but a 12 year old having sex is pretty out there for me. Beth isn’t widowed. She lost her boyfriend, but she’s like 15. ---
**Author:** ![Lady\_of\_the\_Lake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e19adc/32.png) [@Lady\_of\_the\_Lake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lady_of_the_Lake)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2012, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-04-killer-within-open-spoilers/639908/172 "2012-11-07T02:25:27Z")
I like Michonne! I think I’m in the minority though as I don’t find her similar to Tara as she shuts up and doesn’t whine… Which may be why I like her. 😉 The only annoyance I had in this episode was with Andrea being so trusting. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2012, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-04-killer-within-open-spoilers/639908/173 "2012-11-07T02:25:55Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > A niggling irritation - Andrea and the glass of scotch. She doesn’t want just a little - keep it coming, barkeep! Then she takes two sips and leaves. In my head, the Governor pours her glass of scotch back in the bottle, tutting to himself about, “Waste not, want not, you silly cow.” I doubt he’s _that_ parsimonious with alcohol. Why, when someone pours him a bear he always asks for a big head. ---
**Author:** ![picker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/picker/32/13969_2.png) [@picker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/picker)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2012, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-04-killer-within-open-spoilers/639908/174 "2012-11-07T02:32:26Z")
Those small headed bears don’t have enough booze in em. ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2012, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-04-killer-within-open-spoilers/639908/175 "2012-11-07T06:57:22Z")
> [@Feyrat](#): > > Beth isn’t widowed. She lost her boyfriend, but she’s like 15. I was wondering something similar, so I looked it up. I have no idea how old the character is supposed to be, but the actress is like 26(I say like because there doesn’t appear to be an actual birthdate for her on the net anywhere, but she graduated from the University of Nebraska in 2006, so 26 seems like a reasonable estimate). The actor behind Carl is 13. Kinda creepy. ---
**Author:** ![Feyrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/fbc32d/32.png) [@Feyrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Feyrat)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2012, 7:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-04-killer-within-open-spoilers/639908/176 "2012-11-07T07:23:43Z")
> [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](#): > > I was wondering something similar, so I looked it up. I have no idea how old the character is supposed to be, but the actress is like 26(I say like because there doesn’t appear to be an actual birthdate for her on the net anywhere, but she graduated from the University of Nebraska in 2006, so 26 seems like a reasonable estimate). The actor behind Carl is 13. Kinda creepy. I very distinctly remember at 13 being completely enamored with one of the neighbor boys who used to come around mowing the lawn and doing general handyman things for my parents, and he was in his 20s. I don’t think there’s anything weird or unusual about a just-pubescent kid getting a crush on an older, attractive member of the opposite sex. Since Beth seems to be a teenager in-universe (she’s 16 according to the TWD wiki) I don’t think it’s THAT creepy for a 13 year old and a 16 year old on the edge of the destruction of society to fall into a flirtation or even relationship of some sort. ---
**Author:** ![chargerrich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chargerrich/32/5399_2.png) [@chargerrich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chargerrich)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2012, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-04-killer-within-open-spoilers/639908/177 "2012-11-07T16:44:37Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > Also, they really should have cut out the scene with Rick crying. That was pretty awful. All I could think of while Rick was crying was him saying… “COME ON! WHAT’S IN THE BOX!!!” over and over. :smack: Retro Spoiler . . . (reference to Brad Pitt at the end of the movie Seven) ---
**Author:** ![Scupper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Scupper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scupper)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2012, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-04-killer-within-open-spoilers/639908/178 "2012-11-07T18:01:54Z")
> [@chargerrich](#): > > All I could think of while Rick was crying was him saying… “COME ON! WHAT’S IN THE BOX!!!” over and over. :smack: All I could think of was that he has to live the rest of his life knowing he’d held a grudge that never healed, his son had just had to put down his own mother, and that he had two children to raise without his wife in a horrible, horrible world. ---
**Author:** ![Feyrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/fbc32d/32.png) [@Feyrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Feyrat)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2012, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-04-killer-within-open-spoilers/639908/179 "2012-11-07T18:14:02Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > It wasn’t some “someone” though. In one case it was a mother and in the other case it was a person you had been surviving with for the past few months. Maybe you are psychologically prepared\* to blow Lori’s brains out but I don’t think either one of them was. > > - A lot of people on this message board might be psychologically prepared to blow Lori’s brains out though. Wait though. Are you actually saying you think it would be easier to GUT a friend/compatriot survivor while she lay there writhing and screaming and conscious, than to put a bullet in her brain - an action they’ve all been taking for months now on a regular basis? Really? ---
**Author:** ![oft\_wears\_hats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@oft\_wears\_hats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oft_wears_hats)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2012, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-04-killer-within-open-spoilers/639908/180 "2012-11-07T18:44:00Z")
> [@Feyrat](#): > > Wait though. Are you actually saying you think it would be easier to GUT a friend/compatriot survivor while she lay there writhing and screaming and conscious, than to put a bullet in her brain - an action they’ve all been taking for months now on a regular basis? Really? If the crew has been putting bullets into Lori’s brain for months now, that would explain a lot of things. 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-04-killer-within-open-spoilers/639908.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-04-killer-within-open-spoilers/639908.md?page=10)