# The Walking Dead; 3.06 "Hounded" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 19, 2012, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-06-hounded-open-spoilers/641461 "2012-11-19T01:13:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2012, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-06-hounded-open-spoilers/641461/141 "2012-11-21T18:26:55Z")
> [@Human\_Action](#): > > The criminals I can see, but why are soldiers problematic? Is it just because of their force of arms? Or do you think they’d be more likely than not become marauding rapists? If so, is that just because power (their weapons and gear) corrupts? Because the townspeople have all the things they need and they have the force to take them. It’s not just women, food, water, shelter and defensible position. You are hoping they will be content with sharing what you are willing to give when instead they could take everything they wanted. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2012, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-06-hounded-open-spoilers/641461/142 "2012-11-21T18:31:58Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > I guess it would be “more than you can easily handle without risking too many of your own people”, personally I’d be concerned with groups of more than 5-7 people. Obviously problematic groups like criminals and soldiers would be right out though. How could you possibly know that a small group of people aren’t scouts for a larger group? After all, Woodbury sends out small groups of people to investigate helicopter crashes, go on supply runs, etc., etc. If you ran into two hunters with rifles the only logical thing to do would be to assume they are part of a larger group and kill them. It’s weird to argue that it’s okay to murder eight or more people but it’s not okay to murder one or two. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2012, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-06-hounded-open-spoilers/641461/143 "2012-11-21T19:02:19Z")
> [@Human\_Action](#): > > The criminals I can see, but why are soldiers problematic? Is it just because of their force of arms? Or do you think they’d be more likely than not become marauding rapists? If so, is that just because power (their weapons and gear) corrupts? They are a group of highly armed, highly trained, capable operatives who are used to being in charge and have a great deal of loyalty to each other and it would be difficult to turn their loyalty to the governor’s favor and submit to the governor’s authority. ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2012, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-06-hounded-open-spoilers/641461/144 "2012-11-21T19:18:32Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Because the townspeople have all the things they need and they have the force to take them. It’s not just women, food, water, shelter and defensible position. You are hoping they will be content with sharing what you are willing to give when instead they could take everything they wanted. So it’s just because they are better able to exert force, then? Because the things you listed are things everyone needs. I would aggressively recruit soliders, given the opportunity. Just the fact that they were in the armed forces at the time of the apocalypse vouches for a certain minimum standard of sanity, stability, and the ability to cooperate in a structured, disciplined enviornment. That might mean the soldiers have the power in my town, but I’d prefer that to The Governor’s path of recruiting shifty-eyed psychos without military training to form his power structure. I’d be much more cautious of civilians than soldiers, in any case. > [@Ascenray](#): > > They are a group of highly armed, highly trained, capable operatives who are used to being in charge and have a great deal of loyalty to each other and it would be difficult to turn their loyalty to the governor’s favor and submit to the governor’s authority. I understand why The Governor didn’t want them, because his goal is to be in charge, not to have the best community possible. But I’d argue that if you did want the strongest community you could in order to survive as an individual and as a civilization, you’d welcome the soldiers with open arms and take your chances. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2012, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-06-hounded-open-spoilers/641461/145 "2012-11-21T19:36:21Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Nope. And what’s so hard about typing a few more characters? Make a macro if it’s so exhausting. > [@Face\_Intentionally\_Left\_Blank](#): > > [Zathras] > > (clicks tongue) Never use this. > > [/Zathras] Pretentious hyperbole and lame sci-fi references. I knew there was a reason I stopped posting here. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2012, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-06-hounded-open-spoilers/641461/146 "2012-11-21T19:43:33Z")
And you were greatly missed I’m sure. ---
**Author:** ![stegon66](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee59a6/32.png) [@stegon66](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stegon66)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2012, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-06-hounded-open-spoilers/641461/147 "2012-11-21T20:28:35Z")
> [@](#): > > I was hoping the calls were coming from a stable, moral group that would contrast with Woodbury. Pretty disappointed by the reveal that they were delusions. Of course they were a delusion, how could the phones still be working? 🙂 This is also consistent with the comics, though I believe Lori was the only person Rick ever “talked” to. Currently rereading The Day of the Triffids. I believe TWD owes a great debt to this excellent book! ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2012, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-06-hounded-open-spoilers/641461/148 "2012-11-21T20:40:51Z")
> [@stegon66](#): > > Of course they were a delusion, how could the phones still be working? I’m sure this has already been mentioned, but aren’t landline phones remotely powered by batteries? Thus, they could operate after the loss of the electrical grid, until the batteries were depleted? They work during power outages, after all. I’ll have to look into it, but that was my assumption, so the phone seemd plausable enough to me. And a small group of survivors calling thousands of phone numbers in the hope of contacting other survivors makes sense to me too. I only read the first trade paperback of the comic, I didn’t much care for it. > [@stegon66](#): > > Currently rereading The Day of the Triffids. I believe TWD owes a great debt to this excellent book! As does _28 Days Later_, all three use the same opening scene. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2012, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-06-hounded-open-spoilers/641461/149 "2012-11-21T20:48:42Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > And you were greatly missed I’m sure. And this. Thanks for reinforcing my views on this site. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2012, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-06-hounded-open-spoilers/641461/150 "2012-11-21T20:52:48Z")
No, we all thank you for having your views reinforced. _wave_ ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2012, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-06-hounded-open-spoilers/641461/151 "2012-11-21T21:47:02Z")
> [@Human\_Action](#): > > I’m sure this has already been mentioned, but aren’t landline phones remotely powered by batteries? Thus, they could operate after the loss of the electrical grid, until the batteries were depleted? They work during power outages, after all. I’ll have to look into it, but that was my assumption, so the phone seemd plausable enough to me. And a small group of survivors calling thousands of phone numbers in the hope of contacting other survivors makes sense to me too… Assuming the phone lines are still up & working there’s still the matter of why a random maintenance rooms in a state prison would have a direct outside line with it’s own phone number (as opposed to a general ph# for the prison, and an extension). I know the actress who played Lori did her own lines on the phone, but did they bring the other actors back for a voice cameo too? ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2012, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-06-hounded-open-spoilers/641461/152 "2012-11-22T00:26:33Z")
> [@Human\_Action](#): > > I would aggressively recruit soliders, given the opportunity. Just the fact that they were in the armed forces at the time of the apocalypse vouches for a certain minimum standard of sanity, stability, and the ability to cooperate in a structured, disciplined enviornment. That might mean the soldiers have the power in my town, but I’d prefer that to The Governor’s path of recruiting shifty-eyed psychos without military training to form his power structure. I’d be much more cautious of civilians than soldiers, in any case. > > I understand why The Governor didn’t want them, because his goal is to be in charge, not to have the best community possible. But I’d argue that if you did want the strongest community you could in order to survive as an individual and as a civilization, you’d welcome the soldiers with open arms and take your chances. But what evidence do you have that the soldiers would be useful? The Governor, along with his “shifty-eyed psychos,” has built a paradise complete with safety, community, and hope. The well-trained well-armed soldiers that the Governor robbed created fuck-all for themselves. After eight months they pretty much had nothing but the shirts on their backs, the military equipment they stole from the base they abandoned and a ton of ammo. > [@Human\_Action](#): > > I’m sure this has already been mentioned, but aren’t landline phones remotely powered by batteries? Landlines carry a small electric current on the copper wire that is sufficient to power old-timey corded phones. If the phone company doesn’t have power I doubt landlines would be generating that current. > [@alphaboi867](#): > > I know the actress who played Lori did her own lines on the phone, but did they bring the other actors back for a voice cameo too? The voice of Amy did sound like Emma Bell to me, and imdb credits her as playing Amy in this episode, so I’m thinking they did indeed bring those actors back for the voice work. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2012, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-06-hounded-open-spoilers/641461/153 "2012-11-22T01:05:09Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > But what evidence do you have that the soldiers would be useful? The Governor, along with his “shifty-eyed psychos,” has built a paradise complete with safety, community, and hope. He’s gonna wish he had more cannon fodder when he goes up against Pissed Off Rick. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![obfusciatrist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4af34b/32.png) [@obfusciatrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/obfusciatrist)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2012, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-06-hounded-open-spoilers/641461/154 "2012-11-22T01:07:44Z")
Some things just require disagreeing. Like last season’s arguments over whether Shane sacrificing Otis was actually the moral thing to do and in no way made Shane a bad person. ---
**Author:** ![Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/bc8723/32.png) [@Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unauthorized_Cinnamon)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2012, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-06-hounded-open-spoilers/641461/155 "2012-11-22T02:20:58Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > And you were greatly missed I’m sure. Have I told you lately that I love you? Anyway, I like to think that if the apocalypse does come, and I manage to carve out a small society and start rebuilding, we would come up with some process for minimizing the danger of taking on new people, while giving them a path to full “citizenship.” Like perhaps it would have been wise to encircle the soldiers as they did, but then have an unarmed negotiator approach them and offer a deal. They surrender their weapons in exchange for being let inside the walls of a peaceful, well-defended camp. They will be split up and housed with people who can handle them if they cause trouble. If they play well with others for a certain time, they can become part of the team. If not, they’re banished. Refuse the deal and you’ll be shot on sight if you come near the town. Of course there is risk, and there’s always the question of what to do if someone causes problems - is it safe simply to banish them, when they know where you are and what your forces are like? It would be simpler to kill suspect people and take their stuff, but the payoff is much greater if you try to integrate them. Which is all to say once again that the Governor is creepy, weird, and ruthless, but that hardly differentiates him from the hero of the story. I reckon we’ll see some real evil in the treatment of Glen and Maggie, and I took offense to him going after Michonne, but even that may have only bothered me more because I “know” her. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Evil\_Prince\_Zorte](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e95f7d/32.png) [@The\_Evil\_Prince\_Zorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Evil_Prince_Zorte)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2012, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-06-hounded-open-spoilers/641461/156 "2012-11-22T03:02:23Z")
The guardsmen might have been worth taking in, and they might have been cooperative. However the helicopter pilot basically told him that they had a safe haven of their own but screwed it up. I’m sure he could imagine one of them not following the rules, doing something arrogant and stupid and getting the whole town overrun, like they had done to their base. I imagine the Red Zone referred to is the large nearby herd. A gathering of 100,000+ zombies would be a geographical feature, like an impassable lake that happens to slowly wash around the landscape. If they happened to drift over to Woodbury, a breach of security could mean the immediate destruction of the community. The point was made about the town possibly living off of scavenged canned goods. That may well be the truth. Agriculture takes a lot of space, all of which would need to be enclosed. As a shelter, the prison isn’t as nice as the town. However it does have wide enclosed yards that can be used for crops. ---
**Author:** ![Mean\_Mr.Mustard](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mean_mr.mustard/32/3865_2.png) [@Mean\_Mr.Mustard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mean_Mr.Mustard)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2012, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-06-hounded-open-spoilers/641461/157 "2012-11-22T03:11:27Z")
> [@brewha](#): > > Pretentious hyperbole and lame sci-fi references. I knew there was a reason I stopped posting here. :rolleyes: Any idea when you’re gonna stop again? Back to our story…At the end, when Rick suddenly handed Carl the bambino and walked earnestly toward the fence, what made him do this? I re-watched the scene a couple of times; he had to walk a good distance to get to the fence. He somehow ID’d Michonne as a non-walker within a group of walkers from that perspective (and immediately)? Even with her carrying the little Rite-Aid shopping basket? And I second the up-thread post that pointed out the absurdity of Glen and Maggie picking up so few supplies per trip as if they desired to be express-lane eligible. Perhaps they were pissed the Twinkies were all snapped up. mmm ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2012, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-06-hounded-open-spoilers/641461/158 "2012-11-22T03:29:47Z")
> [@Mean\_Mr.Mustard](#): > > Any idea when you’re gonna stop again? > Back to our story…At the end, when Rick suddenly handed Carl the bambino Bambina. Such nitpickery should hasten brewha’s redeparture. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2012, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-06-hounded-open-spoilers/641461/159 "2012-11-22T04:19:02Z")
> [@Mean\_Mr.Mustard](#): > > Any I re-watched the scene a couple of times; he had to walk a good distance to get to the fence. He somehow ID’d Michonne as a non-walker within a group of walkers from that perspective (and immediately)? Even with her carrying the little Rite-Aid shopping basket? I’m confused by your question; I figured he recognized her as human _because_ she was carrying the basket. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Evil\_Prince\_Zorte](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e95f7d/32.png) [@The\_Evil\_Prince\_Zorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Evil_Prince_Zorte)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2012, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-06-hounded-open-spoilers/641461/160 "2012-11-22T04:30:37Z")
I don’t think it’s odd that Glen and Maggie come out with so few supplies. In general, there would have been enough time for most stores to get cleaned out at the start of the apocalypse. In fact, stores are the first place people would have gone in the panic to stock up for the end of civilization. The survivors would be better off searching the houses for stashes of food left behind by the now zombified hoarders. Also it’s a good bet that all the towns within a few hours drive of Woodbury would have been picked clean to supply that population. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-06-hounded-open-spoilers/641461.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-06-hounded-open-spoilers/641461.md?page=9)