# The Walking Dead; 3.09 "The Suicide King" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 10, 2013, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-09-the-suicide-king-open-spoilers/649915 "2013-02-10T23:12:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Courk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/91b2a8/32.png) [@Courk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Courk)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-09-the-suicide-king-open-spoilers/649915/21 "2013-02-11T14:13:16Z")
[spoiler] Merle and Daryl are forced to fight. Merle seems to be winning, but tells Daryl to follow his lead to get out of there. Rick and Maggie show up to rescue Daryl, Merle comes with them. Glenn and Michone hate Merle. Merle is a huge jerk. Rick knocks him out. Daryl, Rick, Glenn, and Maggie discuss what do to with Merle and Michone. They don’t want either in the group, but Michone is too injured to send off yet. Daryl and Merle go off on their own. Woodbury is in a panic, residents want to leave. Some zombies get in through the hole our heroes left in the fence and attack some people. The governor is pretty distant to the townspeople. Andrea makes a speech to them to get them to stay. At some point the governor comes clean about her old group being alive and Glenn and Maggie being there. Ben’s dad wants to take on who is left at the prison, but Tyrese and his daughter show they are decent people by preventing that. Rick and co. return, lots of lamenting the loss of Daryl. Maggie and Glenn aren’t speaking. Glenn wants the governor dead. Rick doesn’t want Tyrese and co. to stay, Herschel thinks they should trust more people, but then Rick sees Lori and flips out. [/spoiler] ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-09-the-suicide-king-open-spoilers/649915/22 "2013-02-11T14:16:41Z")
I would have loved to have seen the two new folks try to take out the ‘woman and the boy’. Ty and his wife weren’t going to play along, but even if they had - I don’t think think I’d bet against Carl or Carol. ---
**Author:** ![LurkerInNJ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ed655f/32.png) [@LurkerInNJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LurkerInNJ)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-09-the-suicide-king-open-spoilers/649915/23 "2013-02-11T15:45:07Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > I would have loved to have seen the two new folks try to take out the ‘woman and the boy’. Ty and his wife weren’t going to play along, but even if they had - I don’t think think I’d bet against Carl or Carol. Me either. I got a good laugh at that line. I think Daryl and Merle will show up at the prison. Too many walking dead are walking around and there really is no other secure place to be in the area at this point. They can’t be in the woods killing 24/7. Daryl has to return. Also, he is in love with Carol, and he isn’t going to forget that long term over his knee jerk reaction to the reunion with Merle. Rick needs Michonne’s fighting skills and I think the herds are going to force Tyrese back into the prison. ---
**Author:** ![bouv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bc8723/32.png) [@bouv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bouv)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-09-the-suicide-king-open-spoilers/649915/24 "2013-02-11T15:47:07Z")
God, I want Andrea to die so fucking bad. Her character is completely pointless at this point, and clueless as well. “Oh, the woman that kept me alive for several months is fighting with some guy I’ve known for two weeks. Oh yeah, he also had a room full of zombie heads in fish tanks, and is crying while cradling what can only be his double-dead zombie daughter…but no, I’m going to go ahead and _stay with him, never questioning him about the incident, even after he admits to kidnapping a couple friends of mine._” Of course, Michonne is a close second, since she didn’t bother to tell Andrea all this useful info she has about the shit The Governor was up to. I mean…he told Andrea he had Glenn and Maggie, and Michonne could have at least told her that Glenn was beaten to within an inch of his life, and Merle tried to kill him with a walker. Oh, and The Governor sexually assaulted Maggie, and killed that national Guard members in cold blood. Drama that only arises from lazy writing and bad characters isn’t good. It would have been interesting for Andrea to actually get the whole story, _but still decide to stay_ be cause she feels Woodbury is safer, and it’s all for “the greater good,” and she slowly turns into a kind of “ends justify the means” kind of person. But nope, instead she’ll just give a God-awful cliched speech. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![AngelSoft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelsoft/32/440_2.png) [@AngelSoft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngelSoft)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-09-the-suicide-king-open-spoilers/649915/25 "2013-02-11T15:56:54Z")
> [@asterion](#): > > That’s one big baby for only being a week old. Well last night it was clear to me why she died in childbirth. Good lord, no woman could have pushed that thing out without splitting herself in half. > [@Folacin](#): > > I would have loved to have seen the two new folks try to take out the ‘woman and the boy’. Ty and his wife weren’t going to play along, but even if they had - I don’t think think I’d bet against Carl or Carol. It’s actually his daughter. But I thought it was kind of contrived that there’s always people in the group who want to kill everyone. I guess they might be dying soon? Getting set up as assholes so we won’t feel so bad about their deaths. I hope so. I’m not really feeling the father/son characters. I agree that overall it was a pretty mediocre episode. Andrea is already driving me nuts for the reasons mentioned. I mean, ffs Andrea. The sex can’t be that good. I was a bit upset about Daryl leaving but, like someone else said, it was completely in character. Actually, for a bit I was certain that Rick was gonna cave and let Merle join the group, though maybe lock him up or something. I’m wondering how they’re going to get Daryl back without Merle. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-09-the-suicide-king-open-spoilers/649915/26 "2013-02-11T16:18:29Z")
> [@AngelSoft](#): > > But I thought it was kind of contrived that there’s always people in the group who want to kill everyone. I guess they might be dying soon? Given that Oscar, Latest Token Black Guy, bought the farm, I’d be sure Ty’s life insurance is paid up. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![randwill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a3d4f5/32.png) [@randwill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randwill)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-09-the-suicide-king-open-spoilers/649915/27 "2013-02-11T16:20:15Z")
> [@AngelSoft](#): > > I’m wondering how they’re going to get Daryl back without Merle. I’m guessing it’ll involve zombies. ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-09-the-suicide-king-open-spoilers/649915/28 "2013-02-11T16:39:00Z")
I’m particularly irritated by the way the show has treated the residents of Woodbury. They are somehow both soft and spoiled by a barbecue and picnic filled life inside the walls, ignorant of the real dangers of the post-zombie world; and crave bloodsport and brutal capital punishment like mindless, leering savages. There is no connection between the Woodbury people we see on the town streets and the way others speak of them, and the lynch mob slavering over human pain in the gladiator pit, when they are supposedly the same group. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-09-the-suicide-king-open-spoilers/649915/29 "2013-02-11T16:41:01Z")
I liked this episode. It was talky but the story needed an episode like this because so much was happening. Michonne as a character is ridiculous and needs to be fixed or abandoned. Rick being crazy feels like it will get old fast. I felt bad for Darryl. He has indeed grown but Merle is such a huge personality, it is easy for him to backslide. I don’t expect it to last long though. As soon as they have moral choices to make Daryl will realize his mistake and move on without his brother. ---
**Author:** ![lost4life](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c4cdca/32.png) [@lost4life](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lost4life)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-09-the-suicide-king-open-spoilers/649915/30 "2013-02-11T16:43:46Z")
> [@Courk](#): > > [spoiler] > Merle and Daryl are forced to fight. Merle seems to be winning, but tells Daryl to follow his lead to get out of there. > Rick and Maggie show up to rescue Daryl, Merle comes with them. > Glenn and Michone hate Merle. Merle is a huge jerk. Rick knocks him out. Daryl, Rick, Glenn, and Maggie discuss what do to with Merle and Michone. They don’t want either in the group, but Michone is too injured to send off yet. Daryl and Merle go off on their own. > > Woodbury is in a panic, residents want to leave. Some zombies get in through the hole our heroes left in the fence and attack some people. The governor is pretty distant to the townspeople. Andrea makes a speech to them to get them to stay. At some point the governor comes clean about her old group being alive and Glenn and Maggie being there. > > Ben’s dad wants to take on who is left at the prison, but Tyrese and his daughter show they are decent people by preventing that. Rick and co. return, lots of lamenting the loss of Daryl. Maggie and Glenn aren’t speaking. Glenn wants the governor dead. Rick doesn’t want Tyrese and co. to stay, Herschel thinks they should trust more people, but then Rick sees Lori and flips out. [/spoiler] Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-09-the-suicide-king-open-spoilers/649915/31 "2013-02-11T17:27:52Z")
I was hoping that Rick would let Merle join the group. Merle is a complete jerk, but for some reason I find him entertaining. ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-09-the-suicide-king-open-spoilers/649915/32 "2013-02-11T17:30:10Z")
> [@gytalf2000](#): > > I was hoping that Rick would let Merle join the group. Merle is a complete jerk, but for some reason I find him entertaining. Because Michael Rooker is a charismatic, talented actor, who makes the rest of the cast look like a bunch of mopey stiffs? That’s my reason, anyway. ETA: Michael Raymond-James had the same effect in his brief appearance in season 2 (“Nebraska”, one of the thugs Rick shot). ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-09-the-suicide-king-open-spoilers/649915/33 "2013-02-11T17:39:48Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > Rick being crazy feels like it will get old fast. Normally “I see dead people” wouldn’t be a problem in a zombie show. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-09-the-suicide-king-open-spoilers/649915/34 "2013-02-11T18:08:03Z")
Stuff I liked: Daryl leaving (love the internal conflict, the realistic in-character portrayal) Governor preparing for war, telling Andrea to fuck off Glenn stepping up instead of being at everyone’s beck and call, showing toughness Hershel replacing Dale as the soul of the group, but with less “holier-than-thou” attitude Tyreese’s group and their inter-group conflict Conflict between the Woodbury residents Stuff I didn’t like: Ghost Lori. Just let Rick be himself again, stop fucking with him from beyond the grave The odd Becky kiss on Rick’s cheek. Please NO god damn romantic subplot Michonne still not talking Andrea’s Stockholm Syndrome is wearing a bit thin The strange way Glenn was distancing himself from Maggie after almost giving up his life to save her. He should be grabbing and kissing her and holding her at every chance, not be so wracked with self-conflict that he’s driving her away ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-09-the-suicide-king-open-spoilers/649915/35 "2013-02-11T18:12:37Z")
> [@gytalf2000](#): > > I was hoping that Rick would let Merle join the group. Merle is a complete jerk, but for some reason I find him entertaining. His propensity to kill people makes him a guy folks don’t want to be around. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-09-the-suicide-king-open-spoilers/649915/36 "2013-02-11T18:15:56Z")
> [@Human\_Action](#): > > Because Michael Rooker is a charismatic, talented actor, who makes the rest of the cast look like a bunch of mopey stiffs? That’s my reason, anyway. > > ETA: Michael Raymond-James had the same effect in his brief appearance in season 2 (“Nebraska”, one of the thugs Rick shot). Yeah, that’s right. His voice gets on my nerves, but I still find him intriguing. Very good actor! ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-09-the-suicide-king-open-spoilers/649915/37 "2013-02-11T20:00:23Z")
> [@Human\_Action](#): > > ETA: Michael Raymond-James had the same effect in his brief appearance in season 2 (“Nebraska”, one of the thugs Rick shot). I have no idea how that guy isn’t in more stuff. He made that scene the best scene of the entire series. ---
**Author:** ![Courk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/91b2a8/32.png) [@Courk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Courk)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-09-the-suicide-king-open-spoilers/649915/38 "2013-02-11T21:44:07Z")
This thread seems to be dwindling, but hopefully there’s enough life in it to answer my question: What does the title “The Suicide King” refer to? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-09-the-suicide-king-open-spoilers/649915/39 "2013-02-11T21:47:33Z")
> [@Courk](#): > > This thread seems to be dwindling, but hopefully there’s enough life in it to answer my question: What does the title “The Suicide King” refer to? The Governor, I thing. ---
**Author:** ![salinqmind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3ec8ea/32.png) [@salinqmind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/salinqmind)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-09-the-suicide-king-open-spoilers/649915/40 "2013-02-11T21:48:16Z")
I missed some of it, briefly, why are Glenn and Maggie not talking, again? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-09-the-suicide-king-open-spoilers/649915.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-09-the-suicide-king-open-spoilers/649915.md?page=3)