# The Walking Dead; 3.09 "The Suicide King" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 10, 2013, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-09-the-suicide-king-open-spoilers/649915 "2013-02-10T23:12:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-09-the-suicide-king-open-spoilers/649915/41 "2013-02-11T21:50:09Z")
> [@Scupper](#): > > Seriously. Are they paying her by the line? Tyrese and his daughter had most of the black lines. If you have more than two black characters speaking in a mostly white show, by law there must be a spin-off, and they don’t have the budget just now. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-09-the-suicide-king-open-spoilers/649915/42 "2013-02-11T21:51:20Z")
> [@salinqmind](#): > > I missed some of it, briefly, why are Glenn and Maggie not talking, again? Glenn is pissed that they didn’t take him on the rescue party, so he could whack the Governor and Merle, but took Maggie, who was abused by the Governor, and no body else whacked the Governor, but indeed brought Merle back with them. The rest is Girl Stuff. ---
**Author:** ![bouv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bc8723/32.png) [@bouv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bouv)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-09-the-suicide-king-open-spoilers/649915/43 "2013-02-11T21:51:39Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > The odd Becky kiss on Rick’s cheek. Please NO god damn romantic subplot Well, considering she’s only 17, I sure as Hell hope there’s no romantic subplot there! :eek: Besides, we all know Carl was makin’ eyes at her, and he totally called dibs. 😛 And then there was also that creepy scene with the last surviving inmate (can’t remember his name,) trying to hit on her… ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-09-the-suicide-king-open-spoilers/649915/44 "2013-02-11T21:57:19Z")
> [@bouv](#): > > And then there was also that creepy scene with the last surviving inmate (can’t remember his name,) trying to hit on her… Yeah, but we probably know why he is in prison. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Courk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/91b2a8/32.png) [@Courk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Courk)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-09-the-suicide-king-open-spoilers/649915/45 "2013-02-11T22:04:31Z")
> [@Courk](#): > > This thread seems to be dwindling, but hopefully there’s enough life in it to answer my question: What does the title “The Suicide King” refer to? > [@carnivorousplant](#): > > The Governor, I thing. Pretend I’m stupid (or perhaps you don’t have to pretend): I’m not getting it. Wikipedia tells me the “suicide king” is the King of Hearts, which is not helping me. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-09-the-suicide-king-open-spoilers/649915/46 "2013-02-11T22:06:34Z")
> [@bouv](#): > > And then there was also that creepy scene with the last surviving inmate (can’t remember his name,) I just call him Larry (and his cellmate Darryl and his other cellmate, Darryl). ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-09-the-suicide-king-open-spoilers/649915/47 "2013-02-11T22:08:10Z")
Refresh my memory: did Daryl and Carol ever hook up? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-09-the-suicide-king-open-spoilers/649915/48 "2013-02-11T22:13:18Z")
> [@Courk](#): > > Pretend I’m stupid (or perhaps you don’t have to pretend): I’m not getting it. Wikipedia tells me the “suicide king” is the King of Hearts, which is not helping me. I think the Gov has said, “Well, fuck it.” and it letting the town kill itself by not talking to the populace and calm them down. On the other hand, the King of Hearts may refer to Glen and his change in behavior with Maggie, Merle and Darryl. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2013, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-09-the-suicide-king-open-spoilers/649915/49 "2013-02-11T22:17:34Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Refresh my memory: did Daryl and Carol ever hook up? I don’t recall their Doing the Deed. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-09-the-suicide-king-open-spoilers/649915/50 "2013-02-12T00:00:35Z")
> [@Courk](#): > > Pretend I’m stupid (or perhaps you don’t have to pretend): I’m not getting it. Wikipedia tells me the “suicide king” is the King of Hearts, which is not helping me. I don’t get it either. My first thought was the Governor, now that he’s missing an eye, but that’s either the Jack of Hearts or of Spades or the King of Diamonds. I have the feeling it was the writers trying to be clever and screwing it up. ---
**Author:** ![jools](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b3f665/32.png) [@jools](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jools)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-09-the-suicide-king-open-spoilers/649915/51 "2013-02-12T00:30:27Z")
I think Suicide King might also refer to Rick having a meltdown and making decisions that could cost them their lives or at least his. ---
**Author:** ![AngelSoft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelsoft/32/440_2.png) [@AngelSoft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngelSoft)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-09-the-suicide-king-open-spoilers/649915/52 "2013-02-12T00:37:44Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I don’t recall their Doing the Deed. Me either. As I would specifically remember puking my guts out at the sight. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-09-the-suicide-king-open-spoilers/649915/53 "2013-02-12T01:14:43Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Given that Oscar, Latest Token Black Guy, bought the farm, I’d be sure Ty’s life insurance is paid up. > 🙂 The key to his survival is to immediatly kill any and every other black male as soon as they come accross him. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-09-the-suicide-king-open-spoilers/649915/54 "2013-02-12T04:03:44Z")
Wow! The Walking Dead had 12.3 million viewers last night, with a 6.1 rating in the 18-49 demo. Pretty amazing numbers for a cable series. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-09-the-suicide-king-open-spoilers/649915/55 "2013-02-12T04:17:48Z")
> [@Tangent](#): > > Wow! The Walking Dead had 12.3 million viewers last night, with a 6.1 rating in the 18-49 demo. Pretty amazing numbers for a cable series. They are probably just hoping for Maggie and Glen to give it an XXX rating. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-09-the-suicide-king-open-spoilers/649915/56 "2013-02-12T04:21:44Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > The key to his survival is to immediatly kill any and every other black male as soon as they come accross him. Zom…er, walkers seem to take care of that. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![LurkerInNJ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ed655f/32.png) [@LurkerInNJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LurkerInNJ)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-09-the-suicide-king-open-spoilers/649915/57 "2013-02-12T16:02:59Z")
> [@AngelSoft](#): > > Me either. As I would specifically remember puking my guts out at the sight. Seriously? Norman Reedus is a former model … Prada, etc. He cleans up pretty good. [http://flaunt.com/features/120/norman-reedus](http://flaunt.com/features/120/norman-reedus) and Melissa McBride is a very attractive woman. It’s hard to look good when you are wearing filthy shapeless clothing and no make-up. She cleans up nice too. [Walking Dead Wiki | Fandom](http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/File:Melissa.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-09-the-suicide-king-open-spoilers/649915/58 "2013-02-12T16:38:16Z")
> [@LurkerInNJ](#): > > Seriously? Norman Reedus is a former model … Prada, etc. He cleans up pretty good. > [http://flaunt.com/features/120/norman-reedus](http://flaunt.com/features/120/norman-reedus) I saw him at Dragon-Con (Atlanta’s miniature version [but still very large] of Comic-Con) and when he entered a room it was Dionysus and the Maenads. Boy has a HUGE female following. ---
**Author:** ![AngelSoft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelsoft/32/440_2.png) [@AngelSoft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngelSoft)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-09-the-suicide-king-open-spoilers/649915/59 "2013-02-12T16:50:34Z")
> [@LurkerInNJ](#): > > Seriously? Norman Reedus is a former model … Prada, etc. He cleans up pretty good. > [http://flaunt.com/features/120/norman-reedus](http://flaunt.com/features/120/norman-reedus) > > and Melissa McBride is a very attractive woman. It’s hard to look good when you are wearing filthy shapeless clothing and no make-up. She cleans up nice too. [Walking Dead Wiki | Fandom](http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/File:Melissa.jpg) I have no problem with their actors and I agree, they clean up well. But it’s more so the idea of their two characters hooking up that just disgusts me. I don’t like the idea of them together and I’m annoyed the show seems to be leaning that way. I dunno. I’m not a big Carol fan, so I’m a bit biased. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2013, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-09-the-suicide-king-open-spoilers/649915/60 "2013-02-12T17:18:21Z")
About the Suicide King thing… From the bit of reading I’ve done on the term, the King of Hearts is called this because of the way it looks as if he’s stabbing himself in the head with a sword. Apparently though, [because the pattern on the arm is different than what the king is wearing](http://squathole.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/king-of-hearts.jpg), there are thoughts that the arm and sword belong to another figure not seen on the card. So perhaps the term is being used to describe a coup against a leader? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-09-the-suicide-king-open-spoilers/649915.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-09-the-suicide-king-open-spoilers/649915.md?page=4)