# The Walking Dead; 3.10 "Home" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 18, 2013, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-10-home-open-spoilers/650651 "2013-02-18T01:33:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![whole\_bean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/96bed5/32.png) [@whole\_bean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/whole_bean)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2013, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-10-home-open-spoilers/650651/81 "2013-02-19T22:47:04Z")
Rick followed the apparition to three graves in the yard. These three graves appeared earlier in the season, after T-Dog was (and, we thought, others possibly were) killed. To whom do these graves belong? T-Dog and . . . not Lori – her remains were never found, though Rick apparently thought a single zombie ate her not Carol – she’s still alive Did they just dig and fill two holes? Upthread, someone said lazy writing. That defines this show. Continuity errors, poor character motivation, loose ends. Once upon a time, I hoped this would be prestige television. It’s not. I know it’s popular, but I would argue that is a result of not in spite of its dumbing down. ---
**Author:** ![Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/bc8723/32.png) [@Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unauthorized_Cinnamon)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2013, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-10-home-open-spoilers/650651/82 "2013-02-19T23:14:19Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > What in the show’s dialogue/story indicated that this is a plausible motivation for Maggie? Maybe there was something and I missed it. The kids are still up, so I’m sure you’ll understand if I don’t cue up the show and check, but I believe right when they were reunited in Woodbury, he asked obliquely if she’d been raped, and she said no. Then in this episode, he seemed to want to know exactly what happened, to reassure himself that she wasn’t raped. So she described in detail what the Governor had done, then spat out something like, “There, you have your answer. Now go away.” > [@](#): > > It’s only our delicate western sensibilities combined with an extremely sexist bent that makes it apparently seem so horrifying and traumatizing to the people here. I say sexist because Glen underwent actual, horrible torture. He was severely beaten for hours, and then left to bek illed by a zombie - eaten alive. And yet what did you see in the threads after that episode? “Oh poor Maggie”, as if men are expected to undergo horrible experiences and it’s no big deal but if a woman experiences a moderately unpleasant one it’s deserving of far more sympathy. Ah, I may have something of an answer to this. While some Dopers in these threads may have expressed that _nearly being raped_ was the most horribly traumatic thing that could have happened and Maggie deserves much more sympathy than Glen, that’s not my feeling, and I don’t think it’s what the show is saying. I think the point of this plotline is that they were both horribly traumatized by being captured, held, being beaten and zombie-bait in Glen’s case, worrying about what awful things were being done to the other, assuming they’d be lucky to get a bullet to the head instead of tortured to death, and not least by having to make the terrible choice between saving themselves and/or their loved one immediately by selling out their “family” back at the prison. Maggie is handling the trauma by withdrawing while Glen is handling it by going alpha male, neither of which is terribly healthy, and combined is poison to their relationship. I don’t think the sexual humiliation and threat is meant to be particularly significant, except insofar as Glen’s focusing on it may be pushing them further apart. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2013, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-10-home-open-spoilers/650651/83 "2013-02-19T23:24:25Z")
> [@whole\_bean](#): > > Rick followed the apparition to three graves in the yard. These three graves appeared earlier in the season, after T-Dog was (and, we thought, others possibly were) killed. To whom do these graves belong? T-Dog and . . . > > not Lori – her remains were never found, though Rick apparently thought a single zombie ate her > > not Carol – she’s still alive > > Did they just dig and fill two holes? > > Upthread, someone said lazy writing. That defines this show. Continuity errors, poor character motivation, loose ends. Once upon a time, I hoped this would be prestige television. It’s not. I know it’s popular, but I would argue that is a result of not in spite of its dumbing down. Didn’t Axel and the black prisoner bury some of their guys who died? ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-10-home-open-spoilers/650651/84 "2013-02-20T00:43:54Z")
> [@Furious\_Marmot](#): > > Are we supposed to view the prison attack as an well thought out attempt to destroy or weaken the protagonists or as an ineffective act of revenge by a deranged man, that doesn’t end in disaster only by dumb luck? I can buy the latter, the former, not so much. Neither. It was a scouting mission to assess the prison in preparation for a full-scale attack later on. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-10-home-open-spoilers/650651/85 "2013-02-20T00:48:37Z")
Did Rick & co ever actually find the prison armoury? I remember he talked about it not being on site. What kind of weapons would they find there anyway? The Governor has access to actual military weapons & vehicles (though I don’t recall seeing a tank). ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-10-home-open-spoilers/650651/86 "2013-02-20T00:49:26Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Neither. It was a scouting mission to assess the prison in preparation for a full-scale attack later on. The governor sure giggled a lot while he ripped pff procesless rounds without aiming. Interesting that he and Rick are bananas. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-10-home-open-spoilers/650651/87 "2013-02-20T00:54:38Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Did Rick & co ever actually find the prison armoury? I remember he talked about it not being on site. What kind of weapons would they find there anyway? The Governor has access to actual military weapons & vehicles (though I don’t recall seeing a tank). They have some really cool weapons now. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-10-home-open-spoilers/650651/88 "2013-02-20T01:39:32Z")
Five guys attack the prison. Governor Black guy in the truck with gov White guy in the tower White guy in the grass shooting at Rick Little person in the van. Gov and Black guy leave in the truck. White guy in the grass runs into the woods. Guy in the tower is shot in the head. Where did the Little Van Guy and the Guy in the Grass go? ---
**Author:** ![Furious\_Marmot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/dfb087/32.png) [@Furious\_Marmot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Furious_Marmot)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-10-home-open-spoilers/650651/89 "2013-02-20T02:50:57Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Where did the Little Van Guy and the Guy in the Grass go? LVG ran towards the Governor’s truck. It’s not shown but seems reasonable that they picked him/her/it up. Grass Guy (is that Martinez?) presumably fell back to whatever vehicle he and the late Sunglasses Man came in. > [@EllisDee](#): > > Neither. It was a scouting mission to assess the prison in preparation for a full-scale attack later on. Then the Gov’s going to be terribly surprised when he comes back and finds out that there’s more people than before, they actually have someone standing guard, and they aren’t all standing around outside for no good reason. He’d be even more bummed if he were to realize that he completely missed the huge unsecured blind spot on the other side of the building. Unless his super plot luck holds out. > [@alphaboi867](#): > > The Governor has access to actual military weapons & vehicles (though I don’t recall seeing a tank). A tank would be too big of a pain in the ass to use, they’d have to trailer it out there and back. Besides couldn’t the .50 caliber machine gun(s) on those Army trucks could shred at least some of the prison walls from way outside rifle range? They did have pintle-mounted M2s, or am I imagining that? > [@carnivorousplant](#): > > The governor sure giggled a lot while he ripped pff procesless rounds without aiming. > Interesting that he and Rick are bananas. That was the best shot of the whole season. All he needed was a cigar to complete the unhinged bad guy look. ---
**Author:** ![Courk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/91b2a8/32.png) [@Courk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Courk)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-10-home-open-spoilers/650651/90 "2013-02-20T02:56:11Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Did Rick & co ever actually find the prison armoury? I remember he talked about it not being on site. What kind of weapons ould they find there anyway? The Governor has access to actual military weapons & vehicles (though I don’t recall seeing a tank). IIRC, there was an episode where an almost passing comment was made about there not being weapons at the armory (I’ll see if I can find it and double check). All their smoke bombs and whatnot came from the guards they found inside. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-10-home-open-spoilers/650651/91 "2013-02-20T03:13:22Z")
The scenes for the next episode strongly imply that this was a feeling out operation. They show Rick (hopefully back to his senses as this “I’m crazy for my dead woman” thing is utterly tiresome) talking to Carl in the prison, and they also show the Governor back at Woodbury. So the attack on the prison is somehow thwarted/abandoned and we are left with another standoff. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-10-home-open-spoilers/650651/92 "2013-02-20T03:14:49Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Five guys attack the prison. > Governor > Black guy in the truck with gov > White guy in the tower > White guy in the grass shooting at Rick > Little person in the van. > > Gov and Black guy leave in the truck. > White guy in the grass runs into the woods. > Guy in the tower is shot in the head. > > Where did the Little Van Guy and the Guy in the Grass go? There was another guy in the truck with the governor and the black guy, Michonne took him out. ---
**Author:** ![Courk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/91b2a8/32.png) [@Courk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Courk)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-10-home-open-spoilers/650651/93 "2013-02-20T03:17:13Z")
> [@Courk](#): > > IIRC, there was an episode where an almost passing comment was made about there not being weapons at the armory (I’ll see if I can find it and double check). All their smoke bombs and whatnot came from the guards they found inside. _Killer Within_, as Daryl, Rick, and Glenn go outside the fence for firewood, Rick tells Glenn not to shoot the walker because they don’t have ammo to spare since the armory had been wiped clean. > [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Five guys attack the prison. > Governor > Black guy in the truck with gov > White guy in the tower > White guy in the grass shooting at Rick > Little person in the van. > > Gov and Black guy leave in the truck. > White guy in the grass runs into the woods. > Guy in the tower is shot in the head. > > Where did the Little Van Guy and the Guy in the Grass go? Anyone else try to read this post as a poem? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-10-home-open-spoilers/650651/94 "2013-02-20T03:39:31Z")
> [@Courk](#): > > Anyone else try to read this post as a poem? Don’t give up your day job. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-10-home-open-spoilers/650651/95 "2013-02-20T14:31:10Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > It seems to me that they want to convey that she’s traumatized, but they didn’t have the balls (or thought the audience was too delicate) to show or imply that she was raped or even violently gang raped. So they’re treating what she actually did go through, which was skeevy but entirely minor in the context of her world, as if she were raped. So the audience sympathy, and the degree to which the character is shown to be traumatized, is way out of proportion here, which I guess is what’s confusing me. Good analysis. This is why I was at first assuming that she did get raped, and it was off camera. Otherwise, why all the fuss? I didn’t read the comics, but on the Talking Dead they mentioned that in the comics the Governor does something really bad to Michonne. They seemed to infer it was so terrible that they wouldn’t ever do something like that on this show. I wondered what it was and was thinking that they shouldn’t wimp out so much. It’s a zombie show. The audience can handle it. ---
**Author:** ![salinqmind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3ec8ea/32.png) [@salinqmind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/salinqmind)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-10-home-open-spoilers/650651/96 "2013-02-20T15:28:54Z")
No. The show is intense enough as is. I don’t know that the audience could handle something as appalling as hinted at, I know I would quit watching. O/T, I love the Time Warner cable commercial with the zombies lurching through the suburban house and irate mom chewing out Darryl for shooting an arrow into the wall and ordering him (and her WD watching husband) to clean the place up! ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-10-home-open-spoilers/650651/97 "2013-02-20T15:50:36Z")
Well, whatever it might be, we can be sure Michonne won’t be blabbing on about it. ---
**Author:** ![AngelSoft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelsoft/32/440_2.png) [@AngelSoft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngelSoft)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-10-home-open-spoilers/650651/98 "2013-02-20T16:13:53Z")
> [@salinqmind](#): > > No. The show is intense enough as is. I don’t know that the audience could handle something as appalling as hinted at, I know I would quit watching. I agree. When Michonne was first introduced, I was worried they were going to keep that part from the comics. While what happened to Maggie wasn’t as bad as rape, it still made me very uncomfortable watching it. There’s no way I could sit through and watch what he does to Michonne in the comics. When we were watching Talking Dead, my mom kept asking me what happened to her and I just couldn’t tell her. No way I want to explain everything that happened to my mom. ---
**Author:** ![thinksnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thinksnow/32/2849_2.png) [@thinksnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thinksnow)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-10-home-open-spoilers/650651/99 "2013-02-20T17:42:25Z")
I would almost bet that the Gov conducted the light assault specifically to incite a retaliation. The prison folks attach Woodbury again, which has beefed up it’s guards quite a bit, and he gets to say, “See, I told you they were dangerous and had it out for us!” ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-10-home-open-spoilers/650651/100 "2013-02-20T17:43:53Z")
> [@Debaser](#): > > I didn’t read the comics, but on the Talking Dead they mentioned that in the comics the Governor does something really bad to Michonne. They seemed to infer it was so terrible that they wouldn’t ever do something like that on this show. Let me guess: He made her read _War and Peace_… aloud! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-10-home-open-spoilers/650651.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-10-home-open-spoilers/650651.md?page=6)