# The Walking Dead; 3.11 "I Ain't Judas" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 25, 2013, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306 "2013-02-25T01:52:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2013, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306/1 "2013-02-25T01:52:11Z")
The Governor’s attacked the prison, Axel’s dead, Tyreese & co are MIA, both Dixon boys are back, Andrea’s growing inscreasingly suspicious, and the outer yard is overrun. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2013, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306/2 "2013-02-25T02:20:48Z")
My husband and I just spent ten minutes trying to figure out if we somehow missed an episode. WTF? How did Daryl and Merle get to the prison? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2013, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306/3 "2013-02-25T02:40:57Z")
They walked there last episode, arriving just in time to save Rick. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2013, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306/4 "2013-02-25T03:02:31Z")
Well, the Governor attemped to cauterize his eye socket was the first thing on this show that actually made me cover my eyes. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Tarwater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9de0a6/32.png) [@Tarwater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tarwater)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2013, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306/5 "2013-02-25T03:04:31Z")
Shittiest episode in awhile. Made even worse by the fact that apparently the producers think their show warrants the inclusion of a Tom Waits song. ---
**Author:** ![stegon66](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee59a6/32.png) [@stegon66](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stegon66)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2013, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306/6 "2013-02-25T03:09:56Z")
Thought it was a pretty good “ratchet up the tension” episode. Plus we got a zombie curb stomping and Andrea’s butt. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2013, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306/7 "2013-02-25T03:25:56Z")
A very frustrating episode. Andrea finally meeting up with the old group should have been interesting but this was paced so slowly… ---
**Author:** ![AngelSoft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelsoft/32/440_2.png) [@AngelSoft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngelSoft)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2013, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306/8 "2013-02-25T05:12:48Z")
I think all this episode did was make me hate Andrea more and I didn’t even know that was possible. A new level of hate has been attained thanks to her complete and utter stupidity. How can she be so freaking blind to what’s really going on? I just…ugh…I can’t stand Andrea. And once again, she has a ‘speech’ for everyone else. Can she please die soon? I did love how Michonne put her in her place though! ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2013, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306/9 "2013-02-25T11:42:31Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Well, the Governor attemped to cauterize his eye socket was the first thing on this show that actually made me cover my eyes. :eek: I didn’t get that at all. It seemed to me he was just trying to get a good look at it. Though that whole scene I was rolling my eyes at earlier nerdpicking: “How stupid is this show? His wounded eye changed sides!” Made me want to stuff Napolean Dynamite in a locker. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2013, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306/10 "2013-02-25T13:22:28Z")
Turns out I missed the last five minutes of last week’s episode. After Axel got shot it cut to The Talking Dead and we figured it was over. ---
**Author:** ![shiftless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9c0ed/32.png) [@shiftless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shiftless)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2013, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306/11 "2013-02-25T13:59:10Z")
I can’t believe I waited a whole week for the plot to go nowhere. Andrea visits … yammer, yammer, yammer about nothing … goes back to where she was. Plus 5 minutes of a mom bitching about how her kid’s asthma prevents him from shooting a gun. There’s a freaking zombie apocalypse going on people! Maybe this is supposed to be a hint of how soft the people under the Governor are. I hope so. ---
**Author:** ![SykoSkotty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c0e974/32.png) [@SykoSkotty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SykoSkotty)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2013, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306/12 "2013-02-25T14:10:49Z")
I thought Tyrese’s gang joining up with the Governor was quite a plot twist - and I have to wonder where they’re taking the Andrea storyline, since she couldn’t bring herself to kill the Governor. ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2013, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306/13 "2013-02-25T14:32:10Z")
> [@shiftless](#): > > I can’t believe I waited a whole week for the plot to go nowhere. Andrea visits … yammer, yammer, yammer about nothing … goes back to where she was. Plus 5 minutes of a mom bitching about how her kid’s asthma prevents him from shooting a gun. There’s a freaking zombie apocalypse going on people! Right, when Andrea complained the Woodbury was now an armed camp with child soldiers, my reaction was “That’s what it always should have been.” > [@shiftless](#): > > Maybe this is supposed to be a hint of how soft the people under the Governor are. I hope so. I’ve mentioned this before, but the supposed soft cluelessness of the Woodbury people is totally at odds with their brutal gladitorial arena, where brother fights brother as the crowd cheers for blood. > [@Sykoscotty](#): > > I thought Tyrese’s gang joining up with the Governor was quite a plot twist - and I have to wonder where they’re taking the Andrea storyline, since she couldn’t bring herself to kill the Governor. She’s not so much a character as a plot device at this point. After the pre-credits scene, I really though the episode would be about Rick stepping back and someone else taking a leadership role, which we really haven’t seen much of. Glenn did a little last week, but was depicted as being too spun up about Maggie to lead effectively. Rick is an absolutely dreadful leader, a potent cocktail of indecisiveness, lunacy, insularity, and thick-headedness. I’m rooting for Tyreese’s group to become the most effective, hard-working gang in Woodbury, just to underline Rick’s incompetence at evicting them from the prison. ---
**Author:** ![randwill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a3d4f5/32.png) [@randwill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randwill)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2013, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306/14 "2013-02-25T14:35:57Z")
I believe the Governor he was trying to determine if he had any function left in his eye by using the light of the match to test this. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2013, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306/15 "2013-02-25T15:15:41Z")
> [@randwill](#): > > I believe the Governor he was trying to determine if he had any function left in his eye by using the light of the match to test this. That was also my impression. We still don’t know who was driving the Zombie Delivery Truck. ---
**Author:** ![MeanJoe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanjoe/32/5693_2.png) [@MeanJoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanJoe)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2013, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306/16 "2013-02-25T15:58:56Z")
First episode this season I really did not care for. Andrea is just completely baffling to me. They’re not giving any motivation for the character to behave this way. As Human Action pointed out, she is just a plot device now. They’ve given us very little to help us understand her motivation and why she is making the decisions she is making. But then again Rick’s group is baffling too. It’s like they’ve caught Michonne-disease and actively choose to not convey key pieces of information. Did they tell Andrea that they were not captured but kidnapped? They obviously told her about Glenn being beaten up by Merle but it seems they left out that it was on The Governor’s orders! Did they mention the attempted rape/sexual intimidation by The Governor of Maggie? I mean, if I’m dealing with someone who is defending The Governor and who is also sleeping with him… I might mention this little bit of information. At least Michonne told her about Merle trying to kill her after The Governor said she could leave freely. Hell, at least Michonne SPOKE for once! For the first time I found myself cringing and looking away at violence against a walker - Andrea’s “rock-stompin” to break/remove the jaw was just brutal. Overall just a slow episode where not much happened at all and character’s actions do not fit into any explainable motivation/rationale. At least in Season 2 when things slowed down at The Farm, you had a character-driven story with Shane’s undoing. There were reasons for his irrational behavior. This is just… getting kinda dumb. ---
**Author:** ![randwill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a3d4f5/32.png) [@randwill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randwill)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2013, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306/17 "2013-02-25T16:06:31Z")
> [@MeanJoe](#): > > But then again Rick’s group is baffling too. It’s like they’ve caught Michonne-disease and actively choose to not convey key pieces of information. Did they tell Andrea that they were not captured but kidnapped? They obviously told her about Glenn being beaten up by Merle but it seems they left out that it was on The Governor’s orders! Did they mention the attempted rape/sexual intimidation by The Governor of Maggie? I mean, if I’m dealing with someone who is defending The Governor and who is also sleeping with him… I might mention this little bit of information. At least Michonne told her about Merle trying to kill her after The Governor said she could leave freely. Hell, at least Michonne SPOKE for once! It uncomfortably reminds me of “Lost”, in the way that the characters weren’t telling each other stuff that would make a difference in the way the story went. ---
**Author:** ![newcomer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e5b9ba/32.png) [@newcomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newcomer)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2013, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306/18 "2013-02-25T16:39:10Z")
> [@Human\_Action](#): > > After the pre-credits scene, I really though the episode would be about Rick stepping back and someone else taking a leadership role, which we really haven’t seen much of. Glenn did a little last week, but was depicted as being too spun up about Maggie to lead effectively. Rick is an absolutely dreadful leader, a potent cocktail of indecisiveness, lunacy, insularity, and thick-headedness. I’m rooting for Tyreese’s group to become the most effective, hard-working gang in Woodbury, just to underline Rick’s incompetence at evicting them from the prison. Ever since the introduction of Governor and his town I’ve been thinking about this juxtaposition of two distinctively different leadership styles – Rick’s and Governor’s – over the course of Season 3. In short, Governor is all about instilling the fear in his subordinates thus managing by fear (there is even one speech he held in which he refers to Rick’s group as “terrorists”) all the while, of course, keeping a tight lid on his secret machinations. Thus we get this eerie (well, at least to me) sense of some current events where Rick’s action to free Maggie and Glenn is designated as “terrorist attack”. Governor is slick and highly manipulative and his success is as good as his success at manipulating those around him. Also, his unpredictability (e.g. when after the attack he goes off into his place and stays there only to get out to shoot one of the town’s residents bitten by The Walkers) is deeply personal but it affects those around him ever more than any of his conscious devious plans – which is very interesting feature of a leader. On the other hand, Rick’s group is very small and I think he keeps it small due to his leadership style. With Rick it’s all about strong individual effort and creative thinking when it comes to dealing with obstacles or enemies. Over time, he develops a strong relationship with similar minded men but only because he has a knack of dealing with them as individuals and on a mutually beneficial basis rather than on the basis of fear and forced subordination (e.g. when he makes a direct and highly personal plea to Daryl “we have a connection” when Daryl decides to go with his brother on their own). His leadership style reminds me of the way guerrilla groups operate. Just an idea… 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2013, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306/19 "2013-02-25T17:06:11Z")
Rewatching Season one and two recently made me also realize that Andrea shouldn’t really have that much loyalty to Rick’s group anyway. In show time she wasn’t with them for every long (just a few weeks) and was mostly unhappy and thinking of leaving during that time. Plus she had good reason to think she was abandoned. She was with Michonne for much longer than she ever was with Rick’s group. ---
**Author:** ![Santos\_L\_Halper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/santos_l_halper/32/1_2.png) [@Santos\_L\_Halper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santos_L_Halper)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2013, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306/20 "2013-02-25T17:46:10Z")
When they were bringing Andrea up to speed I was really expecting: > [@](#): > > Andrea: “Where’s Shane?” > > Rick Shakes his head. Andrea looks shocked. > > Andrea: “Lori?” > > Hershel: “She had a girl. Lori didn’t survive.” > > Carol: “Neither did T-Dog.” > > Andrea: “Who? 😕” 🙂 [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306.md?page=2)