# The Walking Dead; 3.11 "I Ain't Judas" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 25, 2013, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306 "2013-02-25T01:52:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2013, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306/41 "2013-02-26T15:48:57Z")
> [@Human\_Action](#): > > revisit the house where it’d stayed as a human That always bugged me a little, but only as a very minor nitpick. It wasn’t like she was remembering her house, which would have made some sense. That house was just a place she and her husband & son found and had been squatting in for like 3 weeks. ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2013, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306/42 "2013-02-26T16:11:28Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > That always bugged me a little, but only as a very minor nitpick. > > It wasn’t like she was remembering her house, which would have made some sense. That house was just a place she and her husband & son found and had been squatting in for like 3 weeks. True, but it was likely her most recent residence, perhaps stored in a different part of the brain from whatever building she’d think of as her actual home. I thought it was a nice touch, a small part of what made the pilot episode far and away the best thing TWD ever did. It’s also reminiscent of Romero’s _Dawn of the Dead_, which is never a bad thing. > [@](#): > > Francine: What are they doing? Why do they come here? > Stephen: Some kind of instinct. Memory, of what they used to do. This was an important place in their lives. ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2013, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306/43 "2013-02-26T16:17:41Z")
Something I overlooked… > [@Ellis Dee](#): > > That’s why Dale’s sermonizing always grated on me, clinging to a reality that no longer existed. To the point that he’d much rather die from his delusions than accept what reality had become. Maybe it annoyed me so much because it reminded me (an atheist) of the mindset of zealots. I agree that Dale could be grating, but a voice for the idea that not _everything_ had changed, that right was still right and wrong was still wrong, was a welcome one for me. Once you’ve decided that an apocalypse means that in addition to no (or few) external barriers to evil, there should be no internal barriers either, you now have a species unworthy of survival. Dale’s death came immediately after his moral stand on not executing Randall, arguably Dale’s finest moment. He tried to use a democratic process, and he was in the right. It was a good note to go out on. Now, Herschel seems to be stepping up to the plate as the elder voice of wisdom, he might serve as Dale 2.0, the less grating version, who’d never hide a bag of guns in the swamp. ---
**Author:** ![shiftless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9c0ed/32.png) [@shiftless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shiftless)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2013, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306/44 "2013-02-26T16:33:53Z")
> [@Human\_Action](#): > > When the zombies aren’t particularly dangerous, it makes the inter-human fighting less believeable. Rick and co should just leave the prison, and set up in a waste treatment plant or factory two counties over. The Governor is far more dangerous than the zombies. I think this is just a problem with the pacing of the show. At some point the tension of walkers everywhere will have to be replaced by the tension of islands of survivors fighting each other. They’ve just jumped to the later too fast IMO. I think they could have done a few seasons of the group surviving alone with only a few encounters with others before they settled into this “who gets to own this area” theme but here we are. Maybe they didn’t expect the show to go more than 3 seasons. ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2013, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306/45 "2013-02-26T16:36:18Z")
Now, now. I really liked the part where the walkers in the outer yard were hopping over the shark in a conga line. ---
**Author:** ![mckall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eada6e/32.png) [@mckall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mckall)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2013, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306/46 "2013-02-26T16:45:37Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Stupid writing: Merle quoting the chapter and Bible verse and saying Woodbury had “a fine library”. Dude, the fact they owned a Bible doesn’t put them on par with the NYPL system; I’m guessing your average Econolodge has those in the room. I thought that it showed Merle was more educated than the group thinks and he knows they believe he’s stupid. I heard him say the ‘fine library’ as a really sarcastic comeback to Hershel, since Hershel most likely believed he wasn’t the type of man who would be able to quote the Bible. ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2013, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306/47 "2013-02-26T16:52:45Z")
> [@shiftless](#): > > I think this is just a problem with the pacing of the show. At some point the tension of walkers everywhere will have to be replaced by the tension of islands of survivors fighting each other. They’ve just jumped to the later too fast IMO. I think they could have done a few seasons of the group surviving alone with only a few encounters with others before they settled into this “who gets to own this area” theme but here we are. I don’t disagree with you, it just bugs me when multiple characters have gone from Woodbury to the prison, supposedly a “Red Zone”, on foot, with no trouble whatsoever. > [@shiftless](#): > > Maybe they didn’t expect the show to go more than 3 seasons. The ratings have been stellar from day one, so they should have. ---
**Author:** ![MeanJoe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanjoe/32/5693_2.png) [@MeanJoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanJoe)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2013, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306/48 "2013-02-26T17:04:03Z")
So anyone remember back in Season 1 at the CDC when Andrea wanted to stay and die in the big fireball and Dale sat down beside her to force her to save him (and thereby herself)? Betcha wish that scene had ended differently, huh? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2013, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306/49 "2013-02-26T17:42:50Z")
This episode was pretty much everything that was wrong with Season 2. A bunch of non-stuff happened that wasn’t especially interesting, and the stuff that was supposed to be interesting involved people you pretty much don’t care about. For example: Rick sees a flash of white in the woods. Is it Laurie? Is it not Laurie? I don’t care, and it doesn’t advance the plot any. We already did the bit about him seeing her and following her and knowing it’s not her. Andrea makes a walker pet. They spent a good portion of the episode showing her doing this. So what? We knew that this was a thing - Michonne did it already. Watching Andrea do it was gory, but ultimately it doesn’t change anything about the story. Andrea in the prison was weird. She gets there, everyone is really wary, lots of incomplete information is exchanged, she starts to leave in a huff, Michonne is mad at her, so then…they let her come in to hold the baby and give her a gun and a car? Merle in the prison was weird. He’s proven himself a threat to the group literally from day 1. He shot Michonne in the leg, he abducted Maggie and Glenn, he threw a walker at Glenn… so they give him a big knife and duct tape, and his claim to be just following orders makes it all okay? Beth sings for a long time. Yeah, saw that before. Group bonding, yada yada yada… On Talking Dead, even Retta made a comment about the writing. I can’t remember exactly what aspect of the episode they were talking about, but she was making the point that something they did just didn’t make much sense, but when they wrote it they thought it would be cool. I felt like the stuff in this episode could have been about a quarter to a half of an episode. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2013, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306/50 "2013-02-26T17:50:12Z")
> [@shiftless](#): > > I think this is just a problem with the pacing of the show. At some point the tension of walkers everywhere will have to be replaced by the tension of islands of survivors fighting each other. They’ve just jumped to the later too fast IMO. I think they could have done a few seasons of the group surviving alone with only a few encounters with others before they settled into this “who gets to own this area” theme but here we are. Maybe they didn’t expect the show to go more than 3 seasons. With any zombie show, you get to a point to where you are like “when are they going to do something about all these these zombies?” Like Woodbury and the prison are behind walls. Why wouldn’t you be spending 6 hours a day on the walls rattling cans to attract zombies and then safely dispatching them with a bunch of pole-arms? > [@Bryan Ekers](#): > > Really? I found that scene to be pretty disarming. And jaw-dropping! ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2013, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306/51 "2013-02-26T18:03:14Z")
> [@MeanJoe](#): > > So anyone remember back in Season 1 at the CDC when Andrea wanted to stay and die in the big fireball and Dale sat down beside her to force her to save him (and thereby herself)? > > Betcha wish that scene had ended differently, huh? 😉 Then how would we have gotten to see her ass? Andrea isn’t any more or less stupid than Rick or Daryl, dunno why the focus is on her. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2013, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306/52 "2013-02-26T18:07:58Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > And jaw-dropping! Hardly. We’ve see it all before. I found that whole sequence to be pretty toothless. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2013, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306/53 "2013-02-26T18:44:38Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Hardly. We’ve see it all before. I found that whole sequence to be pretty toothless. I hope it didn’t curb your enthusiasm for the show ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2013, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306/54 "2013-02-26T18:46:53Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Then how would we have gotten to see her ass? Andrea isn’t any more or less stupid than Rick or Daryl, dunno why the focus is on her. Stupid for not taking that car and just driving off somewhere where she doesn’t have to choose alligence between two armed camps full of a-holes and dumbasses. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2013, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306/55 "2013-02-26T19:04:20Z")
I’d just like to give a shout-out to Carol, who I think may have developed more than anyone - from mousy, abused wife to bad-ass recommending tiring the Gov out in bed and then offing him. ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2013, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306/56 "2013-02-26T19:14:09Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > With any zombie show, you get to a point to where you are like “when are they going to do something about all these these zombies?” Like Woodbury and the prison are behind walls. Why wouldn’t you be spending 6 hours a day on the walls rattling cans to attract zombies and then safely dispatching them with a bunch of pole-arms? Or, like, clearing the outer field a few pole-axed walkers at a time, instead of cowering and claiming they can’t spare the ammunition. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2013, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306/57 "2013-02-26T19:36:55Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > I’d just like to give a shout-out to Carol, who I think may have developed more than anyone - from mousy, abused wife to bad-ass recommending tiring the Gov out in bed and then offing him. And it looked like Andrea was on board with it, but then decided to opt for a plan that doesn’t involve her being torn limb from limb by an angry mob. ---
**Author:** ![shiftless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9c0ed/32.png) [@shiftless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shiftless)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2013, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306/58 "2013-02-26T19:42:31Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > I’d just like to give a shout-out to Carol, who I think may have developed more than anyone - from mousy, abused wife to bad-ass recommending tiring the Gov out in bed and then offing him. Seconded. I look forward the scenes with Carol and Daryl. That is an interesting relationship without all the angst of every other relationship in the show. > [@NitroPress](#): > > Or, like, clearing the outer field a few pole-axed walkers at a time, instead of cowering and claiming they can’t spare the ammunition. I’ve yelled this at the screen more than once. What do they do all day? They aren’t killing walkers and the sure as hell aren’t talking to one another. They could take out a dozen walkers in a minute at the fence. Of course, then they would have to haul the bodies away, which would be a pain. ---
**Author:** ![ministryman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@ministryman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ministryman)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2013, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306/59 "2013-02-26T20:04:48Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > I’d just like to give a shout-out to Carol, who I think may have developed more than anyone - from mousy, abused wife to bad-ass recommending tiring the Gov out in bed and then offing him. When is Daryl gonna tap that? ---
**Author:** ![ministryman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@ministryman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ministryman)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2013, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306/60 "2013-02-26T20:05:49Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > I hope it didn’t curb your enthusiasm for the show My chin is still up, hoping for better drama next week. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306.md?page=4)