# The Walking Dead; 3.11 "I Ain't Judas" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 25, 2013, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306 "2013-02-25T01:52:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![newcomer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e5b9ba/32.png) [@newcomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newcomer)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2013, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306/61 "2013-02-26T20:16:08Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > I’d just like to give a shout-out to Carol, who I think may have developed more than anyone - from mousy, abused wife to bad-ass recommending tiring the Gov out in bed and then offing him. Knowing her back story I’d like to think the idea crossed her mind much too frequently. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2013, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306/62 "2013-02-26T20:20:11Z")
> [@newcomer](#): > > Knowing her back story I’d like to think the idea crossed her mind much too frequently. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2013, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306/63 "2013-02-26T20:28:03Z")
I kind of hope the name Little Ass Kicker sticks. It could start a new naming trope among children of survivors, kind of like names the people of the O.T. used (when they named their kids “He laughed” or “Who is like God?”) or the Native Americans (“Crazy Horse” and “One Who Yawns”) only in English. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2013, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306/64 "2013-02-26T20:37:24Z")
Good idea, Two Dogs Fucking. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2013, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306/65 "2013-02-26T20:44:18Z")
For everyone that keeps wondering when Daryl and Carol are going to hook up, didn’t they already? It was certainly implied in the season three premier “seed”: Daryl Dixon: We should go back. Carol Peletier: Could be romantic… wanna screw around? [Daryl gives her a look; Carol laughs] Daryl Dixon: [heads toward the ladder] I’ll go down first. Carol Peletier: Even better! [laughs again] I suppose they left it open-ended, but that certainly seems like that’s what they were going down the ladder to do. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2013, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306/66 "2013-02-26T21:03:13Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > Turns out I missed the last five minutes of last week’s episode. After Axel got shot it cut to The Talking Dead and we figured it was over. I noticed this the last two episodes. Five minutes before the end, they do a quick, live Talking Dead segment. Didn’t fool me though. ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2013, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306/67 "2013-02-26T21:03:35Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Andrea isn’t any more or less stupid than Rick or Daryl, dunno why the focus is on her. Rick I’ll grant you, but Daryl? Clannish, perhaps, but stupid? > [@msmith537](#): > > With any zombie show, you get to a point to where you are like “when are they going to do something about all these these zombies?” Like Woodbury and the prison are behind walls. Why wouldn’t you be spending 6 hours a day on the walls rattling cans to attract zombies and then safely dispatching them with a bunch of pole-arms? Another plus for semi-intelligent zombies: you can show tactics like this working for a little while, until the zombies stop falling for it. Spoiler for _Tremors_ Like the graboids in Tremors, falling for the bomb-swallowing trick once. The characters seem less stupid and lazy, and the menace is more menacing. > [@shiftless](#): > > Seconded. I look forward the scenes with Carol and Daryl. That is an interesting relationship without all the angst of every other relationship in the show. The supporting characters (and actors) have consistently been better than the leads on the entire run of TWD. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2013, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306/68 "2013-02-26T22:56:34Z")
> [@shiftless](#): > > I think this is just a problem with the pacing of the show. At some point the tension of walkers everywhere will have to be replaced by the tension of islands of survivors fighting each other. They’ve just jumped to the later too fast IMO. I think they could have done a few seasons of the group surviving alone with only a few encounters with others before they settled into this “who gets to own this area” theme but here we are. Maybe they didn’t expect the show to go more than 3 seasons. I’m confused. They _did_ show a few seasons of the group surviving alone before settling into this turf war. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2013, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306/69 "2013-02-26T23:52:49Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > On Talking Dead, even Retta made a comment about the writing. I can’t remember exactly what aspect of the episode they were talking about, but she was making the point that something they did just didn’t make much sense, but when they wrote it they thought it would be cool. Wasn’t she talking about something regarding the Gov trusting Andrea enough to sleep with her after all that’s been going on? ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2013, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306/70 "2013-02-27T00:45:03Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > I’d just like to give a shout-out to Carol, who I think may have developed more than anyone - from mousy, abused wife to bad-ass recommending tiring the Gov out in bed and then offing him. I agree. As the show mires itself in distracting BS, she has really come to the fore in many respects. > [@NitroPress](#): > > Or, like, clearing the outer field a few pole-axed walkers at a time, instead of cowering and claiming they can’t spare the ammunition. I didn’t understand that either. They still have the inner fence. All they needed to do was spend a few hours a day spearing zombies at the fence line in the head with knives, spears, etc. They wouldn’t have made noises to attract more of them and they could have eliminated enough of them to go fix the damn outer fence. So stupid. > [@msmith537](#): > > And it looked like Andrea was on board with it, but then decided to opt for a plan that doesn’t involve her being torn limb from limb by an angry mob. Do we really know or believe that would have happened? Perhaps. That Ramirez guy probably would have killed her in that instance, or, if she had escaped from Woodbury and went back to the prison after killing “Phillip”, Ramirez likely would have taken control and the Woodbury peeps would be more bloodthirsty for revenge than before. > [@ministryman](#): > > When is Daryl gonna tap that? They really need to let that happen. I want to see her on the back of his bike more often. Daryl is far and away the best character on this show now, in terms of complete, single-minded badassery, followed closely by Carol and Herschel (who should have read crazy Rick the riot act in the last episode _before_ the attack by the Governator, followed by a crutch to the head to help him clear his mind. I hate the fact that Rick has gone to pieces. He was once our fearless leader, made good decisions…now he’s just a wreck. Maybe Carl was right. Let Herschel be the wisdom and Daryl and Glenn be the armed muscle for a change. Oh, and Rick…hold your baby a little more often dude. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2013, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306/71 "2013-02-27T00:46:31Z")
I should amend my last statement to include Merle. I was speaking of “our good guys”. Merle is also one of the best characters on the show, but so utterly unlikeable! ---
**Author:** ![Llama\_Llogophile](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@Llama\_Llogophile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Llama_Llogophile)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2013, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306/72 "2013-02-27T01:04:08Z")
I don’t understand the Governor shifting the eye patch. The idea is that he is trying to use the bad eye? He seemed far too comfortable in the scene with the folks who had been staying at the prison, looking around at people and smiling. And nobody remarked on the shift of the patch to the other eye. Anyone else find this puzzling? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2013, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306/73 "2013-02-27T01:16:34Z")
> [@TBG](#): > > Wasn’t she talking about something regarding the Gov trusting Andrea enough to sleep with her after all that’s been going on? Hey, sometimes the little head with one eye does the thinking instead of the big head with one eye. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2013, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306/74 "2013-02-27T01:35:43Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > …Do we really know or believe that would have happened? Perhaps. That Ramirez guy probably would have killed her in that instance, or, if she had escaped from Woodbury and went back to the prison after killing “Phillip”, Ramirez likely would have taken control and the Woodbury peeps would be more bloodthirsty for revenge than before… I don’t think any of the Governor’s lieutenants could keep contral very long. Most likely Andrea would flee, there’d be one poorly planned vengence attack on the prison, and the Wooburians would start to flee like there were trying to do before. > [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Hey, sometimes the little head with one eye does the thinking instead of the big head with one eye. I think Andrea and the Governor are actually starting to fall in love with eachother, more so on his part. > [@shiftless](#): > > I think this is just a problem with the pacing of the show… How long has it been since season 3 started? Seasons 1 & 2 took place over only 10 weeks or so (including the timeskip in the pilot) and there was an 8 month gap in betweent 2 & 3 (the sole purpose of which seems to be get the baby born). ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Just\_Ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Ed)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2013, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306/75 "2013-02-27T03:34:56Z")
> [@Mach Tuck](#): > > I don’t understand the Governor shifting the eye patch. The idea is that he is trying to use the bad eye? He seemed far too comfortable in the scene with the folks who had been staying at the prison, looking around at people and smiling. And nobody remarked on the shift of the patch to the other eye. Anyone else find this puzzling? I find it puzzling so many people seem to be confused about the Governor’s bad eye (they even mentioned it on _The Talking Dead_). His bad eye has not shifted, and has not changed since Michonne put it out. There was a scene in this week’s episode with him looking in a mirror (that was also shown in last week’s preview) that many have for some reason misunderstood or misinterpreted (he was not trying to cauterize the eye, either) - he was looking in the mirror, holding up a match to get a better look at the damage, and then slipped the eye patch on. No shift, same bad eye, different (mirrored) perspective. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2013, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306/76 "2013-02-27T03:57:48Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > I **hate** that stupid, comic-booky lameness of how having a walker near you magically makes you safe from other walkers, but only if you have it in your control with leashes (Michone) or animal control collars (Andrea.) The idiocy of that very concept is a decent example of why comic books get no respect. Zombies in the Walking Dead universe have a pheromone inside their throat, which warns other zombies to stay away from it. It only works within a few inches of the zombie itself, but it helps ensure that the zombies don’t attack one another. When a zombie’s jaw is broken, however, the pheromone is released and has a “safe zone” range of approximately 10 feet surrounding the broken zombie. ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2013, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306/77 "2013-02-27T04:14:04Z")
> [@Mach Tuck](#): > > I don’t understand the Governor shifting the eye patch. The idea is that he is trying to use the bad eye? He seemed far too comfortable in the scene with the folks who had been staying at the prison, looking around at people and smiling. And nobody remarked on the shift of the patch to the other eye. Anyone else find this puzzling? Huh? You do understand how a mirror works, don’t you? ---
**Author:** ![Courk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/91b2a8/32.png) [@Courk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Courk)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2013, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306/78 "2013-02-27T04:43:46Z")
It’s gotta be well within a month since season 3 started. In ep 9 they said the baby was “barely” a week old. Glenn said in this ep the rescue from Woodbury was “days” ago – so less than a week, probably. That means that Judith is something like 9 to 12 days old, give or take. Hershel was _just_ back on his foot after his injury when Judith was born. I’d guess at most that was 2 weeks after his injury, but probably closer to a few days to a week. So 2 - 3.5 weeks by my reasoning. ---
**Author:** ![Llama\_Llogophile](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@Llama\_Llogophile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Llama_Llogophile)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2013, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306/79 "2013-02-27T05:06:55Z")
> [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](#): > > Huh? You do understand how a mirror works, don’t you? I thought it was his left eye that was injured in the fight with Michonne, but later in this episode he had the patch on his right eye. Am I mistaken? ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Just\_Ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Ed)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2013, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306/80 "2013-02-27T05:12:40Z")
> [@Mach Tuck](#): > > I thought it was his left eye that was injured in the fight with Michonne, but later in this episode he had the patch on his right eye. Am I mistaken? Yes. It was his right eye (episode 3.8 “Made to Suffer”, first aired 12/2/2012). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-11-i-aint-judas-open-spoilers/651306.md?page=5)