# The Walking Dead; 3.13 "Arrow on the Doorpost" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 11, 2013, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-13-arrow-on-the-doorpost-open-spoilers/652587 "2013-03-11T00:30:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![sidhechaos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e47c2d/32.png) [@sidhechaos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sidhechaos)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2013, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-13-arrow-on-the-doorpost-open-spoilers/652587/121 "2013-03-17T13:18:16Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > I really don’t understand why Maggie wasn’t raped. It would be a real issue in a lawless post apocalyptic society, it would serve to get the audience to hate the governor and emphasize his evil, it would make the following events about how everyone is acting like Maggie was gang raped by rabid wolves make more sense. > > I agree, it’s like they wanted to imply and act as if she were raped, but they didn’t have the guts. They didn’t even leave it ambiguous - they explicitly said she wasn’t raped. > > Someone this episode was listing off all the bad guy stuff the governor had done - and the third item was “Maggie” - not Glenn. Apparently it’s no big deal that Glenn was severely tortured. He’s a guy. Walk it off. > > I thought the episode could’ve been good in theory - I don’t mind talky if it’s good talk. I think the scene in the bar at the end of season 2 where they meet the two guys on the road and they’re both probing each other to figure out what sort of people they’re dealing with was the best scene this show ever had. The situation was exactly the sort of situation you’d have in a post apocalyptic society, the acting was excellent (seriously how is Michael Raymond-James not in more stuff?), the dialogue was good, there was genuine tension, great scene. > > Unfortunately, this scene had none of that. None of it was clever, none of it was really tense, no one was taking the smart or realistic approach to getting their way. No real dilemmas. Nothing of consequence actually happened. the whole They tortured Glen but only sexually molested Maggie thing is the Gov playing a psychological mindfuck. his opponents (and people here evidently) are spending a lot of brain power and time wondering why this, why not that, etc etc and the are missing or not focusing on the things that might tell them more. Its a misdirect ---
**Author:** ![shijinn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@shijinn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shijinn)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2013, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-13-arrow-on-the-doorpost-open-spoilers/652587/122 "2013-03-17T13:41:35Z")
no. when you’ve sliced open and killed a pregnant mother to deliver her baby, the threat of a rape has got to pale in comparison. yet none of the characters, including Maggie, has reacted to that outside of that episode. the same is not true with the reaction to Maggie’s rape threat. the way they’re behaving is simple incongruous to what they’ve experienced since the zombie outbreak. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2013, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-13-arrow-on-the-doorpost-open-spoilers/652587/123 "2013-03-17T15:20:57Z")
No, that’s simply not how trauma works. Trauma A doesn’t lose all its impact simply because Trauma B \> Trauma A. And there’s no reason to believe that Maggie isn’t suffering from both. What is true is that killing people, even people you are close to, when they turn into zombies might be something they have gotten used to. Being sexually assaulted isn’t. And it isn’t true that Lori’s death has had no consequences. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2013, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-13-arrow-on-the-doorpost-open-spoilers/652587/124 "2013-03-17T15:46:53Z")
> [@shijinn](#): > > there are no zombies in most zombie movies. they’re always nameless or called something else: walkers, biters, infected, OMGBBQWHATISTHAT?!?! The fact that the monsters in zombie movies generally aren’t called zombies in-story is a necessary part of the conceit. The Walking Dead & its ilk are set in universes in which Romero either never existed or never made his seminal movies, and there is no zombie movie tradition. Likewise, _Batman Begins_ and _The Dark Knight_ exist in a world without DC Comics (or at least Bob Kane), and so forth. How could it be otherwise? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2013, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-13-arrow-on-the-doorpost-open-spoilers/652587/125 "2013-03-17T16:37:57Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > How could it be otherwise? I dunno, why not? There are Nero Wolfe books in the Nero Wolfe universe. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2013, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-13-arrow-on-the-doorpost-open-spoilers/652587/126 "2013-03-17T16:45:47Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I dunno, why not? There are Nero Wolfe books in the Nero Wolfe universe. 🙂 Impudent worm. I have dispatched an Amanda Seyfried model slapbot to teach you the error of your ways. Jokes aside, I hate winking at the audience. And my personal dislike for such winking aside, it’s necessary for non-joking zombie movies to exist in a world without a zombie-movie tradition so the characters don’t walk in to the apocalypse knowing what to do. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2013, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-13-arrow-on-the-doorpost-open-spoilers/652587/127 "2013-03-17T17:38:48Z")
There are vampire films with vampire legends. I believe I’ve seen voodoo zombie movies where folks know what they are. It may make an interesting film. The protagonist realizes what they are, but folks don’t believe him until it is too late. The Night Stalker film had an interesting concept; the authorities don’t officially believe in vampires, but help the protagonist kill it. When it doesn’t turn to dust, they run him out of town, saying that if he tells anyone about it, the will charge him with murder. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2013, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-13-arrow-on-the-doorpost-open-spoilers/652587/128 "2013-03-17T17:45:12Z")
Heck, in some of the later Sherlock Holmes stories, Sherlock tells Watson “So, you gonna write _this_ one down, too?” More or less. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2013, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-13-arrow-on-the-doorpost-open-spoilers/652587/129 "2013-03-17T17:46:30Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > The fact that the monsters in zombie movies generally aren’t called zombies in-story is a necessary part of the conceit. The Walking Dead & its ilk are set in universes in which Romero either never existed or never made his seminal movies, and there is no zombie movie tradition. Likewise, _Batman Begins_ and _The Dark Knight_ exist in a world without DC Comics (or at least Bob Kane), and so forth. How could it be otherwise? The alternative would be to have zombies, but with drastically different rules ala **Return of the Living Dead** (“You mean the movie _lied_?!”). **World War Z** also does it, but to a lesser extant. It’s clear that the **Zombie Survial Guide** was published in a world where both voodoo zombies & Romero-style zombies exist, since he explicitly contrasts “real” zombies with them. ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2013, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-13-arrow-on-the-doorpost-open-spoilers/652587/130 "2013-03-17T17:53:55Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > And it isn’t true that Lori’s death has had no consequences. You’re absolutely right. It’s given them a baby that’s only around in every third episode and only causes them the slightest problems in… uh, I think one so far. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2013, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-13-arrow-on-the-doorpost-open-spoilers/652587/131 "2013-03-17T19:36:10Z")
Hey, you know what you get when every episode is about the baby and the related problems? That’s right, the sixth season of _Mad About You_. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2013, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-13-arrow-on-the-doorpost-open-spoilers/652587/132 "2013-03-17T19:42:18Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > That’s right, the sixth season of _Mad About You_. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![shijinn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@shijinn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shijinn)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2013, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-13-arrow-on-the-doorpost-open-spoilers/652587/133 "2013-03-18T15:47:04Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > No, that’s simply not how trauma works. Trauma A doesn’t lose all its impact simply because Trauma B \> Trauma A. And there’s no reason to believe that Maggie isn’t suffering from both. What is true is that killing people, even people you are close to, when they turn into zombies might be something they have gotten used to. Being sexually assaulted isn’t. And it isn’t true that Lori’s death has had no consequences. first, Lori wasn’t a zombie before she got sliced open. second, could you point out when Maggie had displayed any sort of reaction to what she had to do to Lori, outside of that episode where it took place? finally, you’ve misunderstood what i was trying to say. when you murder someone and then later rob a place, it’s real odd when everyone comments on the robbery and ignore the murder. > [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > … How could it be otherwise? YMMV, but it brings me out of a movie to see a parallel universe similar in every way except for the knowledge of such a specific thing. it’s a minor issue though, like product placements or the lack thereof. ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2013, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-13-arrow-on-the-doorpost-open-spoilers/652587/134 "2013-03-18T20:35:48Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Hey, you know what you get when every episode is about the baby and the related problems? Something more interesting than Season 3 of _Walking Dead_? (I didn’t say the eps had to be about. I just hate it when major plot points are shelved at the convenience of the writers.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-13-arrow-on-the-doorpost-open-spoilers/652587.md?page=6)