# The Walking Dead; 3.16 "Welcome to the Tombs" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 31, 2013, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-16-welcome-to-the-tombs-open-spoilers/654474 "2013-03-31T23:49:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2013, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-16-welcome-to-the-tombs-open-spoilers/654474/121 "2013-04-01T20:02:00Z")
> [@Human\_Action](#): > > Yep. His pistol was empty; the slide locked back. Pity staid his hand. “It’s a pity I’ve run out of cartridges.” ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2013, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-16-welcome-to-the-tombs-open-spoilers/654474/122 "2013-04-01T20:04:16Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > However, Milton is beaten to a bloody pulp and stabbed repeatedly and and he’s incapable of doing anything as he dies other than remaining propped against a wall because of bloody loss and pain and perhaps other damage to his nerves and tissue and all, yet his zombie is mobile. It turns out the zombie virus is like Extra-Extra-Extra-Strength Advil. ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2013, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-16-welcome-to-the-tombs-open-spoilers/654474/123 "2013-04-01T20:18:56Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > If I gave the impression that I thought the show did this very _well_ or very _consistently_, that was not my intention. Oh, ok. I didn’t mean that they weren’t _trying_ to convey themes (for instance, the unsubtle political one: crazed leader rallies people with fears of terrorists attacking the homeland, uses torture in secret, and ultimately rushes the people into a war where the resistance is much stiffer than expected), just that they were so bad at it that no clear themes emerged. > [@Hentor the Barbarian](#): > > Is it better to expel all outsiders for survival, or is part of the point of survival trying to ultimately resurrect (yes, I did just go there) some kind of society as we once knew it. The problem with these thematic statement is that the show undermined it repeatedly. The Woodbury group is much more open to new people (Michonne and Woodbury were taken in and treated well, as was Tyreese’s group) and was doing much more to reestablish society than the prison group was. The prison group expelled Tyreese’s group for the sin of being new people, banished Axel and Oscar to a separate wing, interrogated and lightly tortured Michonne, treated Andrea like a hostile interloper, treated Merle like a hostile interloper, abandoned some poor bastard on the highway to die, and killed the poor hermit. > [@Hentor the Barbarian](#): > > So, elements of this that I thought were nicely done: > > Daryl & Merle – the clear tension between types of family, and between doing things for oneself versus some greater good. Played out in terms of Daryl’s sense that they should help the family fight the horde on the bridge and not steal from them in the end. To the degree that Merle’s character was redeemed, it was that his last acts were done to try to help the group rather than to serve himself. I read that differently. Merle was never just a self-serving type, he was fiercely loyal to his brother (who was his blood, and had survived the same traumatic childhood), and to the Governor (who’d saved his life, cleaned him up, and trusted him with responsibilities). Whereas, he owed nothing to the people on the bridge. So, while I see the merit in your take, I don’t think the Merle arc was so much about the greater good, as it was penance for serving an evil master and doing evil things. > [@Hentor the Barbarian](#): > > The episode with Morgan - showing how non-functional it would be to have near total security at the expense of any social group. Morgan leads a WALL-E like existence, without WALL-E’s longing for something more. In fact, everyone else is just a false face at this point to Morgan. I don’t know, seemed pretty functional to me. I don’t think it was lack of community that so tormented Morgan, rather the accumulated loss and hopelessness of his life. > [@Hentor the Barbarian](#): > > Also from that episode, the dismissing of the live hitchhiker versus the stopping to pick up his stuff at the end. (Which was, I admit, inconsistent with the short arc of that story, since it would have made more sense thematically for the hitchhiker to still be alive when they went back by.) If they’d stopped and picked up the hitchhiker and integrated him into their community, it’d be a vital step toward supporting Rick’s later actions. As is, by merely looting the man’s gear, the scene really spoke more to ruthless pragmatism than anything else. > [@Hentor the Barbarian](#): > > Carl – Carl’s character is interesting. His life and to an extent Michonne’s life is worth risking just for a reminder of what his family was like. The act of helping him save that photograph makes Michonne part of the group, but the value of others being brought in at the end is worth an eye roll. He also clearly argues for a shoot first don’t bother with questions strategy because of the past consequences. I don’t think they thought they were risking their lives; the zombies aren’t dangerous, particularly to Michonne. > [@Hentor the Barbarian](#): > > Rick & Lori – Rick loses a core member of his innermost circle (Lori) and the innocence of his son due to the arrival of a “stranger”. When Rick’s psychotic break is causing him to reject the values and strength of interpersonal connection, Lori is represented by an idealized image of beauty and desire (in contrast to family) in a flowing white dress, which he chases around to the detriment of himself and the rest of the people around him. When instead he is returning to a belief in the values of other people (such as not selling Michonne out), she is seen more plainly as she was, pregnant (yes they did go there) with hope for the future. When he’s actually acting in a way that serves the broader hope for humanity by bringing into the group a bunch of new people – even if they may be of questionable value to the immediate security of his group - she doesn’t even “need” to be there anymore. > > (There’s even a little bit of this in the discussion Rick and Michonne have in this last episode. He says that he wouldn’t have let her in if she didn’t have the formula (i.e. her value was only in how her arrival served his daughter); Michonne counters that he actually brought both her and the formula in.) Ok, I guess my problem with the above is, what made him value outsiders/others again? I can’t think of anything that motivated the change. > [@Hentor the Barbarian](#): > > Even Woodbury versus the prison is interesting in terms of the issues of community versus security, although it’s a little bit jumbled. Woodbury has superficially done way more to re-establish community, whereas the prison is all about security. However, in the end, if there was any value in Woodbury as a community for the Governor, it was only to serve a very selfish focus on his own dead family. The people were ultimately dispensable or so useless that they could be left sitting around in a room without a second thought. I think this is probably why they have everyone come back to the Prison rather than relocating to Woodbury. The former was an artifice; the latter is the true community. Woodbury is indeed jumbled, contradictory, and ultimately meaningless. If the communities are defined by what they mean to the leaders, I’m not sure where that leads. I have no idea what Rick’s group means to him or why. ---
**Author:** ![MacTech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MacTech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacTech)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2013, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-16-welcome-to-the-tombs-open-spoilers/654474/124 "2013-04-01T20:42:09Z")
I agree, Shotgun-Boy was lowering his weapon in a way that could still be considered as threatening, he could have still fired one handed at Carl and Freinds, he’d probably end up with a badly injured wrist in the process though, shotguns are definitely not a one handed weapon… Merle would have definitely had his hand full with a shotgun, that’s for sure… ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2013, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-16-welcome-to-the-tombs-open-spoilers/654474/125 "2013-04-01T21:17:12Z")
> [@Human\_Action](#): > > Ok, I guess my problem with the above is, what made him value outsiders/others again? I can’t think of anything that motivated the change. Tyreese and his sister letting them into Woodbury, perhaps. ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2013, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-16-welcome-to-the-tombs-open-spoilers/654474/126 "2013-04-01T21:22:17Z")
> [@Human\_Action](#): > > There’s a _consistent_ choice they could have made: loot Woodbury and leave the old folks and kids to fend for themselves. It’s no different than leaving the backpacker to die on the road, and stealing his gear. > [@Human\_Action](#): > > If they’d stopped and picked up the hitchhiker and integrated him into their community, it’d be a vital step toward supporting Rick’s later actions. As is, by merely looting the man’s gear, the scene really spoke more to ruthless pragmatism than anything else. > > **\** > > Ok, I guess my problem with the above is, what made him value outsiders/others again? I can’t think of anything that motivated the change. Curse you for making me defend something about the show, but what motivated the change was Rick’s perception of Carl becoming a psychopath, not unlike the Governor. Hearing what Carl did, then seeing what the Governor did, made Rick realize that Carl was following in the Governor’s (and Shane’s, really) footsteps, and he was going to try to build a more civilized community to bring up Carl and his baby daughter in. ETA: Of course, it would have helped if Carl had _actually_ done something unambiguously psychopathic, but at least Rick was just going on what he was told by someone he trusts. ---
**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2013, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-16-welcome-to-the-tombs-open-spoilers/654474/127 "2013-04-01T21:38:59Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Maybe that’s how she ended up getting bitten after all. We’re thinking alike, I see… ---
**Author:** ![Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/bc8723/32.png) [@Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unauthorized_Cinnamon)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2013, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-16-welcome-to-the-tombs-open-spoilers/654474/128 "2013-04-01T23:34:19Z")
I’m glad to see Andrea go, because her character was a hot mess and the writers didn’t have the first clue what they were doing with her. (And frankly I’m disappointed in the “haha, she’s a slut, glad she’s dead” jokes. She was a terribly written character and therefore not very likeable, but I don’t see anyone making derisive jokes about the Governor or Shane having sex with _gasp_ \*two \*separate people.) That said, her taking time to have a focused discussion with Milton instead of using all her time to get the Magic Pliers was ridiculous, and I did kind of say “that’s what you get” when she fell seconds short of surviving. Generally I agree with most people - this was pretty weaksauce, and I can’t believe they left the Gov out there. I had glimpsed an April fool’s image of Daryl eviscerated and, not knowing if it was real or not, I kept waiting for the Gov and co. to jump out of the tombs (remember how Tyreese told them about the entry there?) and slice him open at the last second. As a result, this felt even more dissatisfying and poorly paced than it actually was, but it was pretty bad in either case. I think \*\*MeanJoe \*\*sums up why nicely. > [@Human\_Action](#): > > Rick’s inept leadership has played no small role in that. When showing mercy and compassion would be the smart thing to do (Tyreese’s group, the backpacker, Randall), he reacts with rage and violence. When showing rage and violence would be the smart thing to do (Andrew, Shane, the Governor), he reacts with mercy or indecision. > > As a result, Carl has seen the downside of acting humanely, but no benefit from it. Yup. Count me in as one rooting for Carl to shoot that guy. In the context of civilization I’m a liberal who’s (to be honest) kind of afraid of and squicked out by guns, but if the apocalypse comes, you can be damnsure I’m teaching my nine year old that if she warns someone to disarm, and they instead try to get in grabbing distance, shoot them in the face. > [@GovernmentMan](#): > > So why didn’t he say that? You guys are excusing Carl’s action because you think the other kid looked like he wasn’t about to surrender. Carl didn’t mention any of that, so that wasn’t what he was thinking. Carl did say, “I didn’t have a choice.” By the standards of this show, that was a dissertation on a valid self-defense argument. ---
**Author:** ![Rushgeekgirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rushgeekgirl/32/3715_2.png) [@Rushgeekgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rushgeekgirl)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2013, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-16-welcome-to-the-tombs-open-spoilers/654474/129 "2013-04-02T00:07:08Z")
Terrible season finale. Just awful. I’ve been reading complaints here for quite some time but I’ve been overall satisfied up until this episode. It just wasn’t satisfying. It didn’t leave me in anticipation for the next season like a season finale should. The only moment I enjoyed was Carl shooting the enemy. Because I honestly believe it was the right thing to do at the time. I was more disappointed in Herschel acting like he just murdered someone in cold blood. That “kid” was quite a bit larger than Carl and the way he was inching up instead of throwing down his gun made him an immediate threat. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2013, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-16-welcome-to-the-tombs-open-spoilers/654474/130 "2013-04-02T00:19:28Z")
> [@gytalf2000](#): > > We’re thinking alike, I see… It’s more the case that I’m shamelessly ripping off your premise. ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2013, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-16-welcome-to-the-tombs-open-spoilers/654474/131 "2013-04-02T00:29:39Z")
The governor single-handedly mowing down a dozen people, several armed, without even being shot at was one of the dumbest things I’ve ever seen. The scene was crowned by the final bit where the last man standing trains a rifle on him and the gov just slowly takes out his pistol and shoots him in the head. Do these people not have any sense of self preservation? Good thing for our plucky protagonists the mounted machine gun miraculously jammed and they (I guess) ran out of grenade launcher ammunition. Why didn’t the gov and his men go back to Woodbury? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2013, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-16-welcome-to-the-tombs-open-spoilers/654474/132 "2013-04-02T00:32:59Z")
> [@marshmallow](#): > > Why didn’t the gov and his men go back to Woodbury? Why would they go back? there weren’t enough of them left to fight off the prison crew and the only ones back there were children and old people. ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2013, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-16-welcome-to-the-tombs-open-spoilers/654474/133 "2013-04-02T00:35:22Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Tyreese and his sister letting them into Woodbury, perhaps. You think? They had Karen to vouch for them, so I don’t think it was a great leap of trust or anything. > [@Voltaire](#): > > Curse you for making me defend something about the show, but what motivated the change was Rick’s perception of Carl becoming a psychopath, not unlike the Governor. Hearing what Carl did, then seeing what the Governor did, made Rick realize that Carl was following in the Governor’s (and Shane’s, really) footsteps, and he was going to try to build a more civilized community to bring up Carl and his baby daughter in. > > ETA: Of course, it would have helped if Carl had actually done something unambiguously psychopathic, but at least Rick was just going on what he was told by someone he trusts. Hmmmm. That seems more solid, but as you note, it’d be on firmer ground if Carl had actually been out of line with the shooting. ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2013, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-16-welcome-to-the-tombs-open-spoilers/654474/134 "2013-04-02T00:44:39Z")
> [@marshmallow](#): > > The governor single-handedly mowing down a dozen people, several armed, without even being shot at was one of the dumbest things I’ve ever seen. The scene was crowned by the final bit where the last man standing trains a rifle on him and the gov just slowly takes out his pistol and shoots him in the head. Do these people not have any sense of self preservation? Yeah, the Governor, being a goofy, over-the-top caricature, gets to operate by comic-book rules, one of which is that no one shoots back at him (the National Guardsmen were similarly taken down without returning fire). > [@marshmallow](#): > > Good thing for our plucky protagonists the mounted machine gun miraculously jammed and they (I guess) ran out of grenade launcher ammunition. And that the militia didn’t just regroup and attack again, in a not-stupid way. > [@marshmallow](#): > > Why didn’t the gov and his men go back to Woodbury? You would think they’d at least want to grab some food and fuel for the road. Perhaps they have caches in the area. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2013, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-16-welcome-to-the-tombs-open-spoilers/654474/135 "2013-04-02T00:48:18Z")
> [@Rushgeekgirl](#): > > I was more disappointed in Herschel acting like he just murdered someone in cold blood. Is Herschel turning into the new Dale, or something? Yeesh. The kid did the right thing; back the fuck off. > [@Human\_Action](#): > > Hmmmm. That seems more solid, but as you note, it’d be on firmer ground if Carl had actually been out of line with the shooting. As long as the guy was holding a weapon (or within reach of a weapon), I figure any reasonable Rules of Engagement justifies shooting him, especially since he’s part of a group that has already attacked the prison with deadly force. It certainly would have been more _interesting_ if the guy had dropped his weapon, made an unambiguous gesture of surrender and Carl shot him anyway (under the circumstances, I think _I_ would have shot the guy, surrendering or not), but the writers of this show have a weird reluctance on matters like this, as other have already remarked. By the way, what happened to the guy’s shotgun? I didn’t see Carl or anyone else carrying it when they got back to the prison. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2013, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-16-welcome-to-the-tombs-open-spoilers/654474/136 "2013-04-02T00:55:08Z")
On review, I see the Glen and Maggie shed their riot gear as soon as the attack was over, which strikes me as a tad premature since, as Glen points out, they don’t know where the Governor is at that point and it is quite possible he’ll return for a second round, hence Glen and Maggie decide to stay at the prison to defend it. Of course, why all of them are not wearing protective gear 24/7 remains unclear. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2013, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-16-welcome-to-the-tombs-open-spoilers/654474/137 "2013-04-02T03:11:51Z")
> [@newcomer](#): > > \ At times, Carl and Rick talk is heavily displaced – they talk about the same thing or event but using totally different ideas. It’s the most interesting dynamic so far (2nd part of S3). It’s a slow-brewing conflict that has nowhere to go but into a disaster. > \ Yup. If Rick continues to think of Carl as a kid, that’s going to backfire hugely quite quickly. > [@John\_Mace](#): > > I think Carl grows up to be Jack Bauer in another life. > > Imagine that scene with Jack Bauer in it. What would Jack have done? > [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Torture the kid and kill Herschel. > 🙂 Don’t forget talk about how something needs to be done _right now_ in a hoarse whisper. 🙂 > [@alphaboi867](#): > > At least she didn’t try & fuck Milton. That we know of. 🙂 > [@voltaire](#): > > Curse you for making me defend something about the show, but what motivated the change was Rick’s perception of Carl becoming a psychopath, not unlike the Governor. Hearing what Carl did, then seeing what the Governor did, made Rick realize that Carl was following in the Governor’s (and Shane’s, really) footsteps, and he was going to try to build a more civilized community to bring up Carl and his baby daughter in.\ Speaking of Rick and his daughter, have we seen him holding him more than once all season? He sure doesn’t seem well bonded with her. The idea of the civilized community is an interesting one. As I said earlier, Carl is much more suited for the new world than Rick is. That is something that Carl is going to figure out fairly soon. > [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > \ > Of course, why all of them are not wearing protective gear 24/7 remains unclear. There is a lot in this show that remains unclear. ---
**Author:** ![Zjestika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/8edcca/32.png) [@Zjestika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zjestika)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2013, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-16-welcome-to-the-tombs-open-spoilers/654474/138 "2013-04-02T03:57:17Z")
Pretty decent pedicure on Andrea. Woodbury must have had a salon. ---
**Author:** ![Meatros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Meatros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meatros)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2013, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-16-welcome-to-the-tombs-open-spoilers/654474/139 "2013-04-02T12:38:51Z")
> [@Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](#): > > Generally I agree with most people - this was pretty weaksauce, and I can’t believe they left the Gov out there. I had glimpsed an April fool’s image of Daryl eviscerated Saw that too - I think it was from Pandorum, if I remember correctly. > [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Is Herschel turning into the new Dale, or something? Yeesh. The kid did the right thing; back the fuck off. That’s exactly what I was thinking. I thought that when Rick went to ask him what he should do with Michonne. ---
**Author:** ![ministryman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@ministryman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ministryman)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2013, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-16-welcome-to-the-tombs-open-spoilers/654474/140 "2013-04-02T13:41:47Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > I agree. Carl said “drop the weapon”, the kid took his sweet time thinking about it and had not actually dropped it before Carl plugged him. Carl has a future in the LAPD. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-16-welcome-to-the-tombs-open-spoilers/654474.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-3-16-welcome-to-the-tombs-open-spoilers/654474.md?page=8)