# The Walking Dead; 4.02 "Infected" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 21, 2013, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-02-infected-open-spoilers/671766 "2013-10-21T00:34:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2013, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-02-infected-open-spoilers/671766/1 "2013-10-21T00:34:54Z")
I gather the episode title has something to do with the sick nerd who died in the shower last week. ---
**Author:** ![MacTech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MacTech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacTech)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2013, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-02-infected-open-spoilers/671766/2 "2013-10-21T01:02:36Z")
It was Doctor Heinz Doofenschmirtz, he used the ZombInator on Phineas… ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2013, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-02-infected-open-spoilers/671766/3 "2013-10-21T01:06:18Z")
Okay, suspicions confirmed - the dummies are NOT sleeping with their cells locked! That’s one down. ---
**Author:** ![MacTech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MacTech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacTech)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2013, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-02-infected-open-spoilers/671766/4 "2013-10-21T01:09:11Z")
Okay, so far we have a flickering flashlight, no light in the shower area and whatshername getting some Glaceau VirusWater… And the first kill! Hey Ferb, I know who I’m going to eat today… Once again the stupidity is legion amongst the Motley Crew, sleeping in a prison cell, but leaving the gate _open?!?_ anyone THAT dumb DESERVES to be Purina Zombie Chow ---
**Author:** ![MacTech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MacTech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacTech)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2013, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-02-infected-open-spoilers/671766/5 "2013-10-21T01:12:31Z")
Day of the Dead reference! When the newly reanimated PhineasSnack rolled (literally) out of bed Anyone else rooting for the Zombie Crew now? ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2013, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-02-infected-open-spoilers/671766/6 "2013-10-21T01:20:03Z")
“I have a super-sharp sword on my back, but I’m just going to go wrestle with these zombies.” - Michonne This wasn’t a surprise attack - they knew that sooner or later someone in the living group would die in their sleep and turn - how did they not have a plan for this? The simplest plan would have been as we discussed last week - everyone sleeps in a locked cell, every night. You’re living in a jail, for Christ’s sake! ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2013, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-02-infected-open-spoilers/671766/7 "2013-10-21T01:28:00Z")
Well at least _somebody_ had the good sense to lock his cell door at night. 😉 Not that it did him any good, but that scenario is _exactly_ why everyone else should, no exceptions. ---
**Author:** ![MacTech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MacTech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacTech)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2013, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-02-infected-open-spoilers/671766/8 "2013-10-21T01:34:46Z")
Let’s hope the “council” requires mandatory lockdown in the evening, and mandatory quarantine for new arrivals to the prison ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2013, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-02-infected-open-spoilers/671766/9 "2013-10-21T01:42:06Z")
I think every time I sat down in the prison I’d be locking myself in. First step - broad spectrum antibiotics all around while they quarantine everyone? ---
**Author:** ![MacTech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MacTech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacTech)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2013, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-02-infected-open-spoilers/671766/10 "2013-10-21T01:52:00Z")
…and the baby eats Michonne’s brains… …I’m guessing the baby is infected, at least a Zombaby is a minimal risk, no teeth to break skin… …and with the direct pig blood spray to Rick’s face we should be able to see if swine are a vector for the mystery pathogen soon enough… ---
**Author:** ![ExTank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/35a633/32.png) [@ExTank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ExTank)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2013, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-02-infected-open-spoilers/671766/11 "2013-10-21T01:55:51Z")
I’m guessing pneumonic plague. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2013, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-02-infected-open-spoilers/671766/12 "2013-10-21T01:56:42Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > …First step - broad spectrum antibiotics all around while they quarantine everyone? At this point it’s been well over a year (I’m guessing closer to 2) since civilization collapsed; I doubt there are any useable antibiotics left at this point unless they’ve figured out how to make there own. On the other hand they referenced “Dr S” who I assume is Dr Stevens so at least they have a real physician now. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2013, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-02-infected-open-spoilers/671766/13 "2013-10-21T02:05:46Z")
Pneumococcus doesn’t spread by contaminated water (although it is spread by droplet infection, like coughing). If they do go with pneumococcal infection, I will be very disappointed. I also hope that the show remembers the difference between bacteria and viruses. Regarding your point, **alphaboi** , I agree that the antibiotics would probably be expired by now. We were wondering the other day how old Carl is - he would be, what, 11 years old now? He’s not even a teenager yet! Back to the antibiotics, though, they should be working on natural remedies by now (willow bark, onions, garlic, honey, sugar, etc.). Also, Rick is Clint Eastwood’s character from “Unforgiven” - he was trying to be a farmer, but he’s a gunslinger by nature. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2013, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-02-infected-open-spoilers/671766/14 "2013-10-21T03:10:20Z")
I’m sure one of the first things every viewer thought of upon learning in season 2 that everyone is infected was “Oh shit. What if the person I’m sleeping next to dies in their sleep? It’s separate bedrooms from now on.”. It just doesn’t make sense that they wouldn’t have thought of that. You wouldn’t even need to lock the cell doors, per se. A simple tie of some kind - a belt even - would keep walkers out or infected in. Dumb dumb dumb. Also, why kill any pigs? Just take a truck out and make some noise to draw them away. I suppose that Rick was also concerned about the pigs being infected, so it was a kill two birds with one stone thing. I’ve also thought that it would make sense to just go on patrols generally to take out walkers. ABC - always be culling. Every one you kill now is one less to jump you when you’re in the store checking out the wine. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2013, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-02-infected-open-spoilers/671766/15 "2013-10-21T03:26:14Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > I’ve also thought that it would make sense to just go on patrols generally to take out walkers. ABC - always be culling. Every one you kill now is one less to jump you when you’re in the store checking out the wine. This. A couple months of regular culling would have the area mostly clear walkers. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2013, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-02-infected-open-spoilers/671766/16 "2013-10-21T03:29:03Z")
Their idea to kill all the walkers who come to the fence is a good start - they need to think bigger, though. They needed to create barriers that the walkers could never get over as well as constant culling. I don’t think it was mentioned, but people needed to collect the bodies from the fence, too, and drag them off somewhere so they _don’t_ build up into a big ramp. ---
**Author:** ![Flander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8c91f0/32.png) [@Flander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flander)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2013, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-02-infected-open-spoilers/671766/17 "2013-10-21T03:32:30Z")
Man…Dr. Jenner should have stuck around. ---
**Author:** ![MacTech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MacTech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacTech)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2013, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-02-infected-open-spoilers/671766/18 "2013-10-21T03:38:39Z")
And while we’re at it, why not set caltrops, punji pits and other passive traps around the outer fence, relying on the outer fence as the first line of defense is beyond stupid, get enough of a horde pressing in on the fence and the fences can collapse… They should be towing in abandoned vehicles from the roads, turning them on their sides, and setting up a vehicle barriers, if they can get some 18 wheeler trailers, and set those up as barrier walls even better, it will be a slow, laborious process, but if they intend to use the prison as a community, they need to harden their passive defenses Here’s what I see for passive defenses; Outermost layer; caltrops and other passive spike barriers, laced with razor wire Second layer; abandoned car wall, cars and trucks on their side as a passive barrier Third layer; if they can find them, 18 wheeler trailers on their sides, if not, another vehicle layer, possibly larger vehicles like full size trucks and SUV’s Fourth layer; outer chain link fence Fifth layer; inner chain link fence The gates would also need major hardening, a gate in every passive layer ---
**Author:** ![MacTech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MacTech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacTech)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2013, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-02-infected-open-spoilers/671766/19 "2013-10-21T03:51:13Z")
If anyone’s up for a read, there’s a thread on [Zombiehunters.org](http://Zombiehunters.org) called [Mom’s journals of the Zombie Years](http://zombiehunters.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=113&t=35300) that makes TWD look like Sesame Street Unfortunately, the author seems to have abandoned the story, but we all hold out hope for “Moar Story” from “Mama Hen” The community (Sanctuary) that was built up from a couple houses puts TWD prison community AND Woodbury to shame, it could withstand the Horde in this episode without even breathing hard, and that’s even without deploying “Juicer\*\*” \*\* Juicer is a diesel powered garbage truck with a dozer blade retrofitted to clear zombies from around the wall, and used as the point vehicle in excursions to infected territory ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2013, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-02-infected-open-spoilers/671766/20 "2013-10-21T05:57:58Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > … > > Also, why kill any pigs? Just take a truck out and make some noise to draw them away. I suppose that Rick was also concerned about the pigs being infected, so it was a kill two birds with one stone thing. > > … Hershel mentioned the pigs could be carriers and they’d have to get rid of them. That’s why Rick was also burning the pen. The whole time he was piling up wood and setting the fire I was thinking “now throw your shirt on the fire” and he did! I was so happy he listened to me for once. Also, are we to believe that someone euthanized the two sick people and then burned them or did they just die, get popped in the head and then get dragged out and burned? And do we think messed up little girl was feeding the walkers? I liked when her little sister said “she’s not weak, she’s just messed up”. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-02-infected-open-spoilers/671766.md?page=2)