# The Walking Dead; 4.02 "Infected" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 21, 2013, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-02-infected-open-spoilers/671766 "2013-10-21T00:34:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2013, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-02-infected-open-spoilers/671766/41 "2013-10-21T17:48:20Z")
> [@UncleRojelio](#): > > I dunno. If there is one thing TWD has taught us is that you don’t fuck around with waiting for a dead body to turn. Little girl needs to learn that toot sweet. I’m sure she’s wishing she taught Sophia how to survive on her own etc. Not that it probably would have saved her, but she’s very invested in making sure no other little girl dies, if she can at all help it. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2013, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-02-infected-open-spoilers/671766/42 "2013-10-21T18:03:16Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > I think we’re meant to think that Carol did it. They’ve certainly spent enough time with her preaching about how you have to be strong, and she is one of the few people that we know of that is aware of what caused the zombie break-out. > > She’s gotten a little scary. I know things have changed, but encouraging a 12 year old to stab her dad in his ear, and then haranguing her when she can’t do it seems a little over the top. Only two people get it at this point - Carl and Daryl. Carol is starting to get it (Shane got it, but he was too dangerously homicidal to have around) - you’re living in the freaking Zombie Apocalypse! Things have changed! > [@MacTech](#): > > Of course if the baby goes all zombie on them, will it push Rick back over the hill into Crazytown?\ Probably. He’s not looking too good at all these days. > [@Lightnin](#): > > That’s what’s been annoying me about the series. They seem to be able to fight the walkers fairly well once they’re surrounded, but they’d do a hell of a lot better if they put some thought into it. Make some spring-loaded locks for the cell doors, and sleep individually. If you’re going into an area that’s got a lot of walkers, make some sort of remote noisemaker. Improvise some simple body armor. Cut your damn hair. > > It’s sad that their biggest technological advancement in walker killin’ has been poking them through the fence with crowbars. Wear a jean jacket instead of sleeveless tops. Wear knee-high leather boots at all times. > [@MacTech](#): > > Why don’t they set up a “crybaby” type zombie lure away from the prison, like in Woodbury, set up a solar panel and a couple deep cycle marine batteries to power a boom box, either mounted on a post or suspended above a pit to capture the zombies, every so often go over with a gas can and douse and burn the lot Maybe not using gas but something else that’s highly flammable but not useful in keeping cars running. ---
**Author:** ![LVgeogeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b19c9b/32.png) [@LVgeogeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LVgeogeek)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2013, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-02-infected-open-spoilers/671766/43 "2013-10-21T18:05:24Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > I’m sure she’s wishing she taught Sophia how to survive on her own etc. Not that it probably would have saved her, but she’s very invested in making sure no other little girl dies, if she can at all help it. This is my thought as well. Back in season 2 when Sophia disappeared, Carol was weak, recovering from a life of mental abuse from her husband. After zombie Sophia was found at the farm and Carol decided she needed to be the one to kill her was, I think, Carol’s turning point into a stronger character. Now she’s training the kids to be strong because they need to know how to defend themselves. She wasn’t able to protect her daughter and now she’s trying to make up for that. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2013, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-02-infected-open-spoilers/671766/44 "2013-10-21T18:09:27Z")
> [@LVgeogeek](#): > > \After zombie Sophia was found at the farm and Carol decided she needed to be the one to kill her was, I think, Carol’s turning point into a stronger character. \ I don’t recall it that way; they found Zombie Sophia when Shane let all the kept zombies out of the barn, and Sophia was the last one to stagger out. Carol was going to go to her “daughter,” and it was only Daryl holding her back that kept her from doing so (and dying in the process). ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2013, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-02-infected-open-spoilers/671766/45 "2013-10-21T18:16:50Z")
I didn’t mind the non-locked doors. It makes sense that they wouldn’t have keys to every door, so not all of them can be locked. I suspect the availability of keys is based on plot. Also, people in these shows always strive for a sense of normality in an abnormal world, so I can see them getting a little complacent and leaving the doors unlocked while they sleep. As for the sick dying in the middle of the night, this was clearly a new situation for them. What kind of non-bubonic plague disease has a generally healthy adolescent dying in less than a day? They didn’t plan for it because nobody was sick. If there was a group of coughing, vomiting strangers in their midst, I’m sure they would have taken proper precautions. > [@Lightnin](#): > > Cut your damn hair. They can’t do that. Its a TV show first and foremost and they’re not going to have actors all get the same haircut. That kind of realism is not necessary. I think the fact that they’ve used some body armor after discovering it in the prison is a good way to show that they are learning but keeps this strictly in the realm of television. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2013, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-02-infected-open-spoilers/671766/46 "2013-10-21T18:32:00Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > I didn’t mind the non-locked doors. It makes sense that they wouldn’t have keys to every door, so not all of them can be locked. I suspect the availability of keys is based on plot. Also, people in these shows always strive for a sense of normality in an abnormal world, so I can see them getting a little complacent and leaving the doors unlocked while they sleep. As someone mentioned in the last thread, they could just use carabineers from a local hardware store each night - something a human could easily open, but would keep a zombie out forever. > [@](#): > > As for the sick dying in the middle of the night, this was clearly a new situation for them. What kind of non-bubonic plague disease has a generally healthy adolescent dying in less than a day? They didn’t plan for it because nobody was sick. If there was a group of coughing, vomiting strangers in their midst, I’m sure they would have taken proper precautions.\ Herschel’s no spring chicken, and it only takes one person dying in their sleep to start killing everyone else (as they just saw). ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2013, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-02-infected-open-spoilers/671766/47 "2013-10-21T18:38:45Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > I’m a little annoyed he didn’t t through his _pants_ on the fire as well. He can keep the gun belt on though. 🙂 You’re right. Those should have gone on the pile, too. And Daryl’s clothes, too. Too bad this isn’t HBO. > [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > I’m sure she’s wishing she taught Sophia how to survive on her own etc. Not that it probably would have saved her, but she’s very invested in making sure no other little girl dies, if she can at all help it. I think this is definitely Carol’s motivation. Remember Sophia actually managed to take care of herself for a while, finding the farmhouse to sleep in and food, if she’s also been taught how to defend herself she may have survived. I actually think it’s Hershel that may have euthanized the two sick people. Veterinarians are able to euthanize sick or injured animals so it wouldn’t be that big of a stretch to extend that to people that are about to die and turn into killing machines. Also previews showed him saying some stuff to Maggie to the effect that he did what had to be done ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2013, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-02-infected-open-spoilers/671766/48 "2013-10-21T18:42:31Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > Herschel’s no spring chicken, and it only takes one person dying in their sleep to start killing everyone else (as they just saw). I assume Herschel doesn’t sleep with his fake leg, so he’d be pretty easy to dodge.😛 As to the other - sure, from my couch it’s easy to say “always tie my door shut” (there probably aren’t keys to the individual cells). But although they know intellectually that everyone is a zombie - for the most part they probably haven’t experienced someone dying a natural death coming back. So even if they had a “lock your room” rule, I imagine a lot of people would end up slacking off. Of course, after this experience, I expect a run on the rope supply for tying doors shut. ---
**Author:** ![LVgeogeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b19c9b/32.png) [@LVgeogeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LVgeogeek)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2013, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-02-infected-open-spoilers/671766/49 "2013-10-21T19:10:41Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > I don’t recall it that way; they found Zombie Sophia when Shane let all the kept zombies out of the barn, and Sophia was the last one to stagger out. Carol was going to go to her “daughter,” and it was only Daryl holding her back that kept her from doing so (and dying in the process). I did condense the finding Sophia scenario down and after I hit send I remembered that Rick was the one that killed zombie Sophia, not Carol. But it was still Carol’s character turning point to being a stronger woman to survive in the ZA. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2013, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-02-infected-open-spoilers/671766/50 "2013-10-21T20:02:39Z")
I don’t get how they let the walkers pile up outside the fences. First of all, how many people used to actually live in the damn country anyway? It’s like as soon as the zombie apocalypse starts, even the most rural areas suddenly produce a zombie population density of Times Square. Secondly, it takes like 2 seconds to kill a zombie through the fence. In ten minutes they could clear the perimeter. And they have nothing to do all day long but kill zombies. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2013, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-02-infected-open-spoilers/671766/51 "2013-10-21T20:10:03Z")
Yeah, but if they are all smart and really good at killing zombies and being safe, the show would either become boring, or the writers would have to put a lot of work into the script to find new ways for danger to rear it’s ugly decaying head. ---
**Author:** ![MacTech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MacTech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacTech)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2013, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-02-infected-open-spoilers/671766/52 "2013-10-21T20:25:27Z")
Or, they could make their own ZDV (Zombie Disposal Vehicle) like Juicer from MJOTZY linked above, weld a plow to a garbage truck, and drive around the perimeter fence squashing zombies Load the remains into the compactor, compress them, then drive off to an offsite disposal area to dump the slurry ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2013, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-02-infected-open-spoilers/671766/53 "2013-10-21T20:28:48Z")
> [@MacTech](#): > > \ > Load the remains into the compactor, compress them, then drive off to an offsite disposal area to dump the slurry Heh - and watch the slurry as parts of it move as the skulls of some of the zombies weren’t properly destroyed. 😃 ETA: Mmmm, Zombie Slurry. Anyone else gettin’ hungry? ---
**Author:** ![Glazer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a88e57/32.png) [@Glazer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Glazer)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2013, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-02-infected-open-spoilers/671766/54 "2013-10-21T20:39:59Z")
> [@LVgeogeek](#): > > I did condense the finding Sophia scenario down and after I hit send I remembered that Rick was the one that killed zombie Sophia, not Carol. But it was still Carol’s character turning point to being a stronger woman to survive in the ZA. The area of Georgia they’re in is fairly heavily populated. The outer suburbs of Atlanta. I imagine that a lot of the zombies are migrating out of the Atlanta area. It’s still shocking to see people I know get stabbed through the head. ---
**Author:** ![Glazer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a88e57/32.png) [@Glazer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Glazer)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2013, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-02-infected-open-spoilers/671766/55 "2013-10-21T20:42:39Z")
> [@MacTech](#): > > Or, they could make their own ZDV (Zombie Disposal Vehicle) like Juicer from MJOTZY linked above, weld a plow to a garbage truck, and drive around the perimeter fence squashing zombies > > Load the remains into the compactor, compress them, then drive off to an offsite disposal area to dump the slurry I had the idea over at Giraffe’s place to render the zombies down for bio-diesel to run the vehicles. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2013, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-02-infected-open-spoilers/671766/56 "2013-10-21T21:13:03Z")
> [@Glazer](#): > > I had the idea over at Giraffe’s place to render the zombies down for bio-diesel to run the vehicles. Good idea. ---
**Author:** ![Flander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8c91f0/32.png) [@Flander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flander)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2013, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-02-infected-open-spoilers/671766/57 "2013-10-21T23:28:50Z")
> [@Glazer](#): > > I had the idea over at Giraffe’s place to render the zombies down for bio-diesel to run the vehicles. “What’s wrong with the truck?” “I just put this zombie bio-diesel in it and the engine just died on me!.. …oh wait there it goes!” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2013, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-02-infected-open-spoilers/671766/58 "2013-10-21T23:30:59Z")
> [@Glazer](#): > > I had the idea over at Giraffe’s place to render the zombies down for bio-diesel to run the vehicles. Soylent green fuels? ---
**Author:** ![MacTech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MacTech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacTech)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2013, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-02-infected-open-spoilers/671766/59 "2013-10-21T23:36:09Z")
Or would that be Soylent Gangrene? ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2013, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-02-infected-open-spoilers/671766/60 "2013-10-21T23:48:42Z")
> [@Flander](#): > > “What’s wrong with the truck?” > > “I just put this zombie bio-diesel in it and the engine just died on me!.. > …oh wait there it goes!” > > 😃 Groan. (Or should that be “Moan”? 😃 ) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-02-infected-open-spoilers/671766.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-02-infected-open-spoilers/671766.md?page=4)