# The Walking Dead; 4.07 "Dead Weight" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 25, 2013, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-07-dead-weight-open-spoilers/674721 "2013-11-25T01:36:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2013, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-07-dead-weight-open-spoilers/674721/61 "2013-11-26T21:04:31Z")
> [@MacTech](#): > > I predict we will see at least one walker rising from that “dead lake” in one of the next two episodes > > I’m sure calling it a dead lake was a not so subtle bit of foreshadowing I’m hoping that the Governor’s “Zombie Lake” idea will come back to bite him (in the most literal sense imaginable), hopefully very soon. I’m tired of the character! I’m fine with the two ladies (can’t think of names right now) and the little girl getting incorporated into Rick’s group somehow. They need more characters, and I’m not sure if there is anything left of the “Woodbury” folk at this point. (I need to re-watch a few episodes to jog my faltering memory.) ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2013, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-07-dead-weight-open-spoilers/674721/62 "2013-11-26T22:28:02Z")
> [@randwill](#): > > Which reminds me. Lately the show has gotten on board the “musical interlude” bandwagon. I hate this trend with a passion. I’m not talking about songs performed by characters like Emily Kinney’s “Beth”. I’m talking about the plaintive guitar plucking, piano tinkling melancholy crapolla on the soundtrack that substitutes for actually writing a scene that tells us how the characters are feeling. > > What I don’t understand is why, at the end of these episodes, I’m not hearing, “Download music from tonight’s ‘The Walking Dead’ from iTunes.” Didn’t they do that back in Season 3? ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2013, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-07-dead-weight-open-spoilers/674721/63 "2013-11-27T01:12:40Z")
Was that Crystal Lake that the Governor dumped Victor from Dollhouse into? Because pretty sure that’s how Jason got trapped a few times. ---
**Author:** ![Ellen\_Cherry](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellen_cherry/32/3600_2.png) [@Ellen\_Cherry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ellen_Cherry)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2013, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-07-dead-weight-open-spoilers/674721/64 "2013-11-27T01:43:10Z")
Ha! I knew there was a reason I was expecting him to launch out of the water and bite the guv in two! ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2013, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-07-dead-weight-open-spoilers/674721/65 "2013-11-27T02:02:36Z")
> [@randwill](#): > > I’m thinking that the only way to explain why the mud pit full of zombies Those were zombies?! I just thought he was avoiding an ICP mosh pit. ---
**Author:** ![Mean\_Mr.Mustard](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mean_mr.mustard/32/3865_2.png) [@Mean\_Mr.Mustard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mean_Mr.Mustard)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2013, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-07-dead-weight-open-spoilers/674721/66 "2013-11-27T02:25:18Z")
> [@shiftless](#): > > They showed us the leak a couple of times when it was very clearly NOT raining. At this point, I think the writers are purposely throwing us obvious mistakes to spit in our eye… Or they’re pissing on us\* \*and telling us it’s raining. mmm ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2013, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-07-dead-weight-open-spoilers/674721/67 "2013-11-27T04:19:05Z")
I thought that ‘mud pit’ was some sort of intentional blockage of the road - perhaps the silent killing group took out the roads to trap the others. At the time I figured that the ‘governor’ saw that, realized he couldn’t run away from the violence, and that’s when he decided to go back and fight. And when he fights, he fights dirty, so the first thing he had to do was to A) get rid of the incompetent leader who wanted to ‘share power’, then B) kill the guy who was too nice to get the job done. But then I remembered this is the Walking Dead, and I’m probably over-thinking it. The mud pit was probably there because some writer thought, “Hey! Mud zombies!” ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2013, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-07-dead-weight-open-spoilers/674721/68 "2013-11-27T12:59:49Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > But then I remembered this is the Walking Dead, and I’m probably over-thinking it. The mud pit was probably there because some writer thought, “Hey! Mud zombies!” 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2013, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-07-dead-weight-open-spoilers/674721/69 "2013-11-27T21:57:22Z")
The main thing that baffled me is why Martinez would want to reconcile with the Gov, let alone share power with him. Realistically he should’ve detained and/or killed him immediately, but let’s say he’s a saint in disguise or just didn’t care about the Gov’s insanity fueled murder spree. Why would Martinez let the Gov roam around camp without an escort? Or see him privately without guards? Without anyone within shouting distance? Hand that man a Darwin award. ---
**Author:** ![MacTech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MacTech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacTech)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2013, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-07-dead-weight-open-spoilers/674721/70 "2013-11-27T22:40:10Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > \ > > But then I remembered this is the Walking Dead, and I’m probably over-thinking it. The mud pit was probably there because some writer thought, “Hey! Mud zombies!” They just probably played the swamp level map in Left4Dead 2 and thought the “mudmen” zombies were cool… ---
**Author:** ![MacTech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MacTech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacTech)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2013, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-07-dead-weight-open-spoilers/674721/71 "2013-11-27T22:42:06Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > \I hate show sponsor driven plots. 🙂 This post brought to you by Carl’s Jr. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2013, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-07-dead-weight-open-spoilers/674721/72 "2013-11-27T22:42:22Z")
> [@marshmallow](#): > > Realistically he should’ve detained and/or killed him immediately,… Why would Martinez let the Gov roam around camp without an escort? Or see him privately without guards? Without anyone within shouting distance? > > Hand that man a Darwin award. He said he would have killed him save for the girl. If he put guards on the Governor, they would end up dead. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2013, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-07-dead-weight-open-spoilers/674721/73 "2013-11-28T00:49:30Z")
> [@MacTech](#): > > This post brought to you by Carl’s Jr. Was it from California? You can’t swing a cat without hitting a Carl’s Jr. there. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![coolbyrne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/bc79bd/32.png) [@coolbyrne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coolbyrne)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2013, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-07-dead-weight-open-spoilers/674721/74 "2013-11-28T01:06:33Z")
I got the impression the Gov wasn’t thrilled with how Martinez and the girl’s mother were interacting at lunch. I thought a large motivation for offing Martinez on the roof was simple jealousy. No one saw or heard all that commotion? Didn’t hear Martinez screaming as he got pulled into the pit? How in the world did they stumble upon the Gov and the girl in the pit in the first place if they can’t hear a man screaming? And why were there more zombies in the pit? Didn’t the Gov kill them all? Or is it another zombie pit? And if they can find time to dig multiple, deep, perfectly rectangular pits, howzabout digging some trenches around the camp for protection? ---
**Author:** ![SuperNelson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7feea3/32.png) [@SuperNelson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuperNelson)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2013, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-07-dead-weight-open-spoilers/674721/75 "2013-12-01T00:15:39Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > in for a penny, in for a pound. I saw what you did there. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-07-dead-weight-open-spoilers/674721.md?page=3)