# The Walking Dead; 4.08 "Too Far Gone" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 2, 2013, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-08-too-far-gone-open-spoilers/675258 "2013-12-02T01:50:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Soylent\_Juicy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/82dd89/32.png) [@Soylent\_Juicy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Soylent_Juicy)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2013, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-08-too-far-gone-open-spoilers/675258/181 "2013-12-05T16:37:34Z")
> [@Shakes](#): > > It just occurred to me; have we seen any baby zombies yet? Because a baby zombie Rick jr. would have been awesome. Or “Shane Jr.”…we don’t know. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Ellen\_Cherry](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellen_cherry/32/3600_2.png) [@Ellen\_Cherry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ellen_Cherry)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2013, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-08-too-far-gone-open-spoilers/675258/182 "2013-12-05T17:01:02Z")
It’s like their whole point is life is solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short. Somebody’s been reading too much Hobbes. Surely we can have a show where 90% of the population is wiped out and the remaining 10% don’t spend all their time killing each other? Is that the way humans _are_? I guess Hobbes thought so. :mad: Speaking of zombies and babies, how long before Maggie turns up preggers? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2013, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-08-too-far-gone-open-spoilers/675258/183 "2013-12-05T18:46:45Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > Come on people! No need to be so nitpicky! I happen to think that in the context of the show, the fight and most of the decisions made by the people made perfect sense! This is a group of survivors in a hostile, zombified world, you can’t expect them to have perfect battle tactics like some trained legion But it’s not too much to expect to have battle tactics at least as good as a bunch of random message board readers can come up with. Just basic stuff like “use the tank to shoot the defenders, not random holes in walls” and “don’t completely forget there was a guy standing right in front of you five seconds ago that had no where to go except behind that bus”. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2013, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-08-too-far-gone-open-spoilers/675258/184 "2013-12-05T18:58:39Z")
It’s incredibly easy to play Battle Commander for ANY situation you’re not in. People do this kind of thing about ACTUAL real life battles (“Why didn’t General X does this in battle Y–it’s incredibly OBVIOUS.”. It’s inherently silly to do it for fiction. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2013, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-08-too-far-gone-open-spoilers/675258/185 "2013-12-05T19:02:24Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > It’s inherently silly to do it for fiction. It’s silly to post about a TV show on a message board, too, but it is amusing. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2013, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-08-too-far-gone-open-spoilers/675258/186 "2013-12-05T19:20:17Z")
I agree, but isn’t there a tipping point where it just gets boring for everyone else? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2013, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-08-too-far-gone-open-spoilers/675258/187 "2013-12-05T19:28:25Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > I agree, but isn’t there a tipping point where it just gets boring for everyone else? Surely, then we unsubscribe to the thread and join one arguing if [gambusia affinis](http://www.sms.si.edu/irlspec/Gambusia_affinis.htm) deserves its bad rep. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2013, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-08-too-far-gone-open-spoilers/675258/188 "2013-12-05T19:44:10Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > It’s incredibly easy to play Battle Commander for ANY situation you’re not in. > People do this kind of thing about ACTUAL real life battles (“Why didn’t General X does this in battle Y–it’s incredibly OBVIOUS.”. It’s inherently silly to do it for fiction. But it’s bad fiction if the result is instead of saying “cool fight, I’m totally engrossed” and rather sit there the whole time rolling your eyes and thinking how this fight could’ve gone down in a cool way for the same budget if someone just wrote or choreographed something interesting. It’s bad TV and deserves as much criticism as, say, if a dance choreography in a movie is lame or if the way they choose to shoot a bank heist is boring and confusing. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2013, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-08-too-far-gone-open-spoilers/675258/189 "2013-12-05T20:03:37Z")
Some people DID think it was a cool fight and some people did find it engrossing. The majority of people on this board voted that for the episode overall – they LOVED IT. Other people are complaining because the fight didn’t go how THEY thought it should go. Some of their reasons might be valid but that doesn’t make them absolutely right. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2013, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-08-too-far-gone-open-spoilers/675258/190 "2013-12-05T20:08:06Z")
The fight was great - it was tense - but it was also incredibly stupid (both in universe and out) - but it was exactly the type of battle you expect when you have dumb meeting dumber. (Daryl being the only obvious intelligence in the bunch) ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2013, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-08-too-far-gone-open-spoilers/675258/191 "2013-12-05T20:09:16Z")
> [@simster](#): > > (Daryl being the only obvious intelligence in the bunch) Yet, he used a zombie as a shield. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2013, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-08-too-far-gone-open-spoilers/675258/192 "2013-12-05T20:19:40Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > Yet, he used a zombie as a shield. It was very fat. For a zombie. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2013, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-08-too-far-gone-open-spoilers/675258/193 "2013-12-05T21:43:19Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > Yet, he used a zombie as a shield. and his strategy worked - he neutralized 2 threats with one zombie. Just think what he could do with a bird and a bush! ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2013, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-08-too-far-gone-open-spoilers/675258/194 "2013-12-05T21:44:14Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > But it’s not too much to expect to have battle tactics at least as good as a bunch of random message board readers can come up with. Just basic stuff like “use the tank to shoot the defenders, not random holes in walls” and “don’t completely forget there was a guy standing right in front of you five seconds ago that had no where to go except behind that bus”. You guys are hardly random, this is board is a non-random sample of the smartest people on the internet! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2013, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-08-too-far-gone-open-spoilers/675258/195 "2013-12-05T22:11:44Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > And I have a perfectly good explanation of the good headshots. Most times, when that happens, its a guy who is taking careful aim at a zombie or another person. In this case, most people were shooting wildly while running and being shot at. It makes sense that there wouldn’t be any headshots then. As for the Governor, I don’t really think that was 50 yards away so its not a big deal for me. They actually addressed this in-show, when Andrea was learning to shoot and either Shane or Rick took her to a cul-de-sac out in the suburbs on a scavenging mission. She had to learn to take careful aim to score a headshot, overcoming her natural panic response. No doubt a similar learning curve might exist for when people are shooting at you in the midst of a tank barrage. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2013, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-08-too-far-gone-open-spoilers/675258/196 "2013-12-05T22:23:28Z")
Forgive me [[Album] Walking Dad Jokes ![](https://i.imgur.com/ebSd5m3.jpeg?fb "Walking Dad Jokes") ](https://imgur.com/gallery/POURE) Walking Dad jokes. Horrible. No really, they are. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2013, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-08-too-far-gone-open-spoilers/675258/197 "2013-12-06T01:00:32Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > Well, dead to me, anyway. Ah, that’s a different kettle of zombie heads. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2013, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-08-too-far-gone-open-spoilers/675258/198 "2013-12-06T01:08:09Z")
> [@fxmastermind](#): > > forgive me > > [http://imgur.com/gallery/poure](http://imgur.com/gallery/poure) > > walking dad jokes. Horrible. No really, they are. farmageddon! ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2013, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-08-too-far-gone-open-spoilers/675258/199 "2013-12-06T03:01:20Z")
“What’s eating you, Carl? Get it? Eating you? Carl? CARL?!” ---
**Author:** ![emarkp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3be4f8/32.png) [@emarkp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emarkp)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2013, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-08-too-far-gone-open-spoilers/675258/200 "2013-12-06T05:30:57Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > farmageddon! IIRC the cast & crew called it “barn-ageddon”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-08-too-far-gone-open-spoilers/675258.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-08-too-far-gone-open-spoilers/675258.md?page=11)