# The Walking Dead; 4.08 "Too Far Gone" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 2, 2013, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-08-too-far-gone-open-spoilers/675258 "2013-12-02T01:50:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2013, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-08-too-far-gone-open-spoilers/675258/141 "2013-12-04T02:44:21Z")
> [@brewha](#): > > Any trained tank operator would know not to leave the breach open. So, unless Daryl got incredible lucky and rolled the grenade in there at the exact time that they were reloading, nothing would have happened. > > Though, in the land of poor writing, this should be the least of nits to pick. Brother of the Guy Brian Whacked was not a tanker. Perhaps when the grenade hit the breech, he opened it to see what happened. 🙂 Actually he must have bailed out, since he was walking around for Darryl to shoot. As posted up thread, “Just this morning I was thinking, ‘I have a tank! What Could Go Wrong?’” ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2013, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-08-too-far-gone-open-spoilers/675258/142 "2013-12-04T02:51:07Z")
> [@brewha](#): > > Any trained tank operator would know not to leave the breach open. So, unless Daryl got incredible lucky and rolled the grenade in there at the exact time that they were reloading, nothing would have happened. > > Though, in the land of poor writing, this should be the least of nits to pick. Well, Alvarez (since that’s how I think of him) seemed to be the only guy there who knew how to operate the tank, so if he was trying to drive and load and fire by himself, and he seemed kinda stupid overall, I can picture it. If he was in mid-reload when the grenade came rolling down… Anyway, on review, it looks like the attacking party was… maybe… twenty people? All clustered together. Five seconds of shooting would have decimated them, if the people in the prison had the right kind of rifles and knew how to use them. Heck, Carl has a bead on the Gov at one point but it’s “fifty yards”… Fifty yards? Big fucking deal. If you can’t hit a target with a rifle at 50 yards while the barrel is braced on a chain-link fence, you may as well just put it in your mouth and pull the trigger, because you are one fucking useless piece of shit. ---
**Author:** ![brewha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@brewha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brewha)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2013, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-08-too-far-gone-open-spoilers/675258/143 "2013-12-04T03:18:27Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Well, Alvarez (since that’s how I think of him) seemed to be the only guy there who knew how to operate the tank, so if he was trying to drive and load and fire by himself, and he seemed kinda stupid overall, I can picture it. If he was in mid-reload when the grenade came rolling down… OK, so he was lacking 3/4’s of his tank crew. I guess I could forgive him for closing the breech. Especially since it lead to that 1/2 second hesitation where you really weren’t sure if Daryl was going to fist bump him or end him. I cheered a bit for that too. > [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Fifty yards? Big fucking deal. If you can’t hit a target with a rifle at 50 yards while the barrel is braced on a chain-link fence, you may as well just put it in your mouth and pull the trigger, because you are one fucking useless piece of shit. Exactly what I yelled at the screen! 50 yards! I could lob a deer slug with enough accuracy to take out the guvna at 50 yards! ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2013, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-08-too-far-gone-open-spoilers/675258/144 "2013-12-04T03:27:20Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Anyway, on review, it looks like the attacking party was… maybe… twenty people? All clustered together. Five seconds of shooting would have decimated them, That would be two guys. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2013, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-08-too-far-gone-open-spoilers/675258/145 "2013-12-04T03:37:25Z")
I don’t understand your comment, but in any case, the Governor’s party had seven vehicles and the tank and maybe twenty people, and he gave lots of lots of time for the prison group to get ready, take aim… Seriously, these people are idiots - _both_ groups. At some moments, the tank is moving and firing, which I guess means at least two guys in it, but when the grenade came rolling down, only Alvarez got out… so I guess fuck the other guy. Amusingly, when the grenade goes off inside the tank, the zombies walking by get knocked over by the concussion, which strikes me as unlikely. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2013, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-08-too-far-gone-open-spoilers/675258/146 "2013-12-04T03:39:03Z")
The classical definition of decimate is kill 10% so, 2 out of 20. Of course the modern usage was as you did, which to kill a large percentage of something. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2013, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-08-too-far-gone-open-spoilers/675258/147 "2013-12-04T03:41:50Z")
Yes, the modern usage. How silly of me to use to use the _modern_ usage. Pip-pip, cheerio, give an inch and take an ell, being acclumsid forsooth. Fine, five seconds of shooting would have _devastated_ them, whatever. eyeroll-eyeroll-eyeroll… ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2013, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-08-too-far-gone-open-spoilers/675258/148 "2013-12-04T03:47:09Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Yes, the modern usage. How silly of me to use to use the _modern_ usage. Pip-pip, cheerio, give an inch and take an ell, being acclumsid forsooth. > Fine, five seconds of shooting would have _devastated_ them, whatever. eyeroll-eyeroll-eyeroll… As Chaucer is, shall Dryden be. You don’t get that, do you? No wonder you misuse English. 🙂 I apologize, but that misuse truly annoys me. Modern usage, my ass. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2013, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-08-too-far-gone-open-spoilers/675258/149 "2013-12-04T03:56:56Z")
It’s no more a misuse than any “modern” usage, and is probably better-established than using “computer” to describe “electronic device capable of rapid calculations” as opposed to what it meant in 1646 (its first use, according to Merriam-Webster). Were we speaking in Latin, you might have a point. As it is, you do not - just a fussy trivial nitpick easily overruled by ample evidence. ---
**Author:** ![emarkp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3be4f8/32.png) [@emarkp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emarkp)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2013, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-08-too-far-gone-open-spoilers/675258/150 "2013-12-04T06:13:56Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > My theory is Tyrese ends up encountering Carol on the road and they bond…and then Daryl or Rick eventually tells him that Carol murdered his girlfriend. While that would be interesting, I think this was slipped in by mistake, or in spite of most of the writing crew. So I can’t imagine there actually being any payoff. ---
**Author:** ![Ellen\_Cherry](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellen_cherry/32/3600_2.png) [@Ellen\_Cherry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ellen_Cherry)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2013, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-08-too-far-gone-open-spoilers/675258/151 "2013-12-04T15:06:17Z")
You know, I really liked it when they put flowers out in pots and had flowing draperies in the cells. They were making the place look like home! Hangin’ out in the library, acting all normal. And then, the guv runs into the sisters, daughter and dyin’ daddy holed up in their nice apartment. Normalcy! What a sight for sore eyes! Then, it all goes to shit, the prison is shot up and our gang’s on the run. This kind of contrast is fun. I personally don’t care much about whether the guns are accurately firing, because I don’t know a whole lot about guns. We all bring to The Arts our own perspectives, loves and loyalties and, while a writer myself, I tend to overlook much of the stuff you all are ascribing to bad writing and focusing on what’s enjoyable. Like my redneck slumming Daryl fantasies. 😛 Anyway, I’ll keep watching and keep rooting for our gang and the drama they stir up. There was a considerable lack of zombie-tension in this latest episode, so I’m looking forward to more of that. I still remember fondly the scene where the guv pursues Andrea through the spooky warehouse (or whatever it was). That was some good television right there. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2013, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-08-too-far-gone-open-spoilers/675258/152 "2013-12-04T15:16:51Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Seriously, these people are idiots - _both_ groups. Yep. It’s part of the fun. ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2013, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-08-too-far-gone-open-spoilers/675258/153 "2013-12-04T15:44:05Z")
Previously I had thought it was cut & dried that Carol killed the two people, but after this episode I think there actually is something to the idea that the disturbed young girl (don’t know her name) killed them and that she was covering for her. The girl’s behavior in this episode, the flayed rabbit, Daryl saying “That’s not her” when hearing Rick tell him Carol was the killer, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2013, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-08-too-far-gone-open-spoilers/675258/154 "2013-12-04T15:50:14Z")
> [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](#): > > Previously I had thought it was cut & dried that Carol killed the two people, but after this episode I think there actually is something to the idea that the disturbed young girl (don’t know her name) killed them and that she was covering for her. The girl’s behavior in this episode, the flayed rabbit, Daryl saying “That’s not her” when hearing Rick tell him Carol was the killer, etc. There is no in-universe reason for her to have killed them. I realize that plot holes are the norm for this show, but there is no indication that crazy girl would have had any idea that either of those folks were potentially fatally ill or in quarantine. Plus, right up until Carol tried to get her to coup-de-grace her dad, she was thinking of the zombies as pets, so I don’t see her killing live people she knew. I’m not sure of the timeline on some of this, though. ---
**Author:** ![Soylent\_Juicy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/82dd89/32.png) [@Soylent\_Juicy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Soylent_Juicy)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2013, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-08-too-far-gone-open-spoilers/675258/155 "2013-12-04T15:59:38Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Well, Alvarez (since that’s how I think of him) Hah - me too! Hi fellow OZ watcher! 😃 > [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I was cheering when the girl got bitten and cheering when the other girls started shooting. Same here. Actually out-loud cheering in my livingroom. Yeah I’d like to see Tyreese and Carol get together and then have it come out later that Carol offed his girlfriend. That would be interesting. I wonder when Bob the Alchy will grow a pair? How has that guy survived this long? Those two little girls have more balls than him. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Excellent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f19dbf/32.png) [@Mr.Excellent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Excellent)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2013, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-08-too-far-gone-open-spoilers/675258/156 "2013-12-04T16:06:46Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > The only part that bothers me about the battle is that people who are expert crack shots able to head shot zombies in one shot empty entire clips at people completely out in the open without hitting anything. There was a lot of stupid in this episode, but this seemed reasonable. Zombies don’t move terribly fast, don’t seek cover or otherwise attempt to evade gunfire, and (most important) they don’t shoot back. My understanding is that gunfire directed at one’s person is quite distracting. ---
**Author:** ![Ellen\_Cherry](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellen_cherry/32/3600_2.png) [@Ellen\_Cherry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ellen_Cherry)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2013, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-08-too-far-gone-open-spoilers/675258/157 "2013-12-04T16:25:55Z")
So was it a flayed rabbit or something that Tyreese showed Daryl and Rick, right before the tank assault? It was too dark on my screen to see what they were gawping at. So if it doesn’t point at the disturbed girl, what DOES it signify? We got dead rats at the fence, and now this. It is obviously pointing toward something. Also, I noticed when we were at the governor’s adopted-camp-in-the-woods, maybe when they were out on the expedition, there were WORMS int he trees. Worms? Earthworms?? I expected to have some reveal that someone was putting them there as bait, but … nothing. Were they there to look creepy and cool, or a plot point? Anyone else see them? ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2013, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-08-too-far-gone-open-spoilers/675258/158 "2013-12-04T18:34:18Z")
> [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](#): > > Previously I had thought it was cut & dried that Carol killed the two people, but after this episode I think there actually is something to the idea that the disturbed young girl (don’t know her name) killed them and that she was covering for her. The girl’s behavior in this episode, the flayed rabbit, Daryl saying “That’s not her” when hearing Rick tell him Carol was the killer, etc. That’s an interesting theory. Once Rick kicks her out, though, she’s not covering for the disturbed girl any longer. Was it a flayed rabbit or a flayed rat? ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2013, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-08-too-far-gone-open-spoilers/675258/159 "2013-12-04T18:38:16Z")
I thought it was a rat, since they seem to be plentiful and any rabbits would likely have gone into the stew pot. Then again maybe rats were going in the stew pot, too, and that’s why everyone got so sick. ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2013, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-08-too-far-gone-open-spoilers/675258/160 "2013-12-04T18:55:18Z")
I thought it was a rabbit (or some other type of mammal) because it looked much larger than a rat, and like it had longer legs, but it was dark so I dunno. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-08-too-far-gone-open-spoilers/675258.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-08-too-far-gone-open-spoilers/675258.md?page=9)