# The Walking Dead; 4.14 " **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 17, 2014, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-14/683887 "2014-03-17T00:39:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2014, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-14/683887/61 "2014-03-17T13:58:13Z")
> [@VunderBob](#): > > Washouts like that are common occurrences, whether the line is active or not. A nitpick: the rails are shiny on top, which shows traffic is present. Yeah. Probably because they filmed the show in the real world on active rails and not an actual zombie apocalypse. > [@marshmallow](#): > > That’s too bad. I was hoping Lizzie would stick around since she’s not a walking cardboard cutout. I was looking forward to Carol maybe trying to help her not be so crazy. But if you’re gonna go for the double child murder, that’s the way to do it. You can’t talk someone out of crazy. Particularly once that someone has already stabbed someone else to death. Also it’s not a “double murder”. It’s two single murders. > [@Cat Whisperer](#): > > Lizzie’s got to go - she’s going to end up killing all of them. So, are they portraying her as perhaps a schizophrenic, or are we to assume that she’s nuts from all that’s she’s been through? I’m not a health care professional, but my understanding is that she is supposed to be manifesting early signs of general TV/movie psychoticness. Disorganized or bizarre thought processes. Experimenting on and torturing animals. Fits of rage or sobbing. Inappropriate attachment to things (i.e. playing with zombies). Kind of a mishmash of disorders from the DSM manual. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2014, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-14/683887/62 "2014-03-17T14:12:48Z")
Also, are we to assume that the smoke was from Daryl and Beth’s cabin fire? ---
**Author:** ![VunderBob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/839c29/32.png) [@VunderBob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VunderBob)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2014, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-14/683887/63 "2014-03-17T14:17:52Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > Yeah. Probably because they filmed the show in the real world on active rails and not an actual zombie apocalypse. Ya think? :smack: ---
**Author:** ![obfusciatrist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4af34b/32.png) [@obfusciatrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/obfusciatrist)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2014, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-14/683887/64 "2014-03-17T14:37:55Z")
Even two years into the zombie apocalypse I don’t think I could sleep on train tracks. With my luck I’d get run over by the world’s last train enthusiast, even if it were just one of those old fashioned hand cranked maintenance things (that exist in all old movies so I assume existed in some form in the real world). ---
**Author:** ![theR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/977dab/32.png) [@theR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/theR)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2014, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-14/683887/65 "2014-03-17T14:57:46Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > Yeah, but why would they leave it. Do moths fly up to the porch light, yell ‘got it!’ and then fly away. No, they fly around it all night until you turn it off. > > Now that I said that, it would have made more sense for the crispy walkers to show up after the fire went out. Unless there was something symbolic about all the discussion about the color of the smoke that couldn’t have been replaced by something else, they could have just put the fire out a bit earlier in the episode. They twice discussed that the color of the smoke meant the fire was out. Was the smoke previously a color that meant the fire was not out? (I already deleted the episode from my DVR, so can’t check). Regardless, I think they’re wrong about white smoke meaning a fire is out. I believe it usually just means there is water vapor mixed in with the smoke, making it appear white or at least a lighter color than without the vapor. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2014, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-14/683887/66 "2014-03-17T15:04:04Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > Yeah. Probably because they filmed the show in the real world on active rails and not an actual zombie apocalypse. Some copper or rust colored spray paint would have taken care of that and wouldn’t have affected the trains. > [@theR](#): > > Regardless, I think they’re wrong about white smoke meaning a fire is out. I believe it usually just means there is water vapor mixed in with the smoke, making it appear white or at least a lighter color than without the vapor. I thought about that too, it could have just meant a tree fell on the first and it was all the leaves and live wood burning. Even so, if the zombies are attracted to fire, they shouldn’t have wandered away until the fire went out. OTOH, we can just work on the assumption that Mika was wrong about the color of the smoke (and Carol didn’t know or didn’t correct her or didn’t care) and the Zombies walked away when it was just smoldering. ---
**Author:** ![AtomicDog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ac91a4/32.png) [@AtomicDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AtomicDog)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2014, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-14/683887/67 "2014-03-17T16:14:31Z")
Great episode. I felt the same kind of heartbreak as when Sophia died. ---
**Author:** ![theR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/977dab/32.png) [@theR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/theR)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2014, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-14/683887/68 "2014-03-17T17:43:17Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > Some copper or rust colored spray paint would have taken care of that and wouldn’t have affected the trains. > > I thought about that too, it could have just meant a tree fell on the first and it was all the leaves and live wood burning. Even so, if the zombies are attracted to fire, they shouldn’t have wandered away until the fire went out. > > OTOH, we can just work on the assumption that Mika was wrong about the color of the smoke (and Carol didn’t know or didn’t correct her or didn’t care) and the Zombies walked away when it was just smoldering. Yes, I don’t actually care if they got it wrong. There are a lot of problems and things that bother me about the show, but that is not something I would include on the list. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2014, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-14/683887/69 "2014-03-17T18:08:27Z")
> [@obfusciatrist](#): > > Even two years into the zombie apocalypse I don’t think I could sleep on train tracks. Why the heck are they sleeping on train tracks or out in the open anyway? Are there parts of suburban / rural Georgia where one can literally spend an entire day hiking along a road and never come across any sort of structure that might serve as a shelter? Kind of off topic-ish, but at what point in the Zombie Apocalypse do shuffling zombies cease becoming a terrifying horror and just a dangerous nuisance? Like bears or coyotes. I mean once you have a relatively safe home like the prison or Woodbury or presumably Terminus, I would think a major chore each day would be going out in body armor and hatchets and clearing zombies. Or just lead them off the edge of a cliff with some noisemakers or raw meat. ---
**Author:** ![Ellen\_Cherry](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellen_cherry/32/3600_2.png) [@Ellen\_Cherry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ellen_Cherry)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2014, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-14/683887/70 "2014-03-17T18:41:31Z")
Well they’re horrifying at first because they’re basically people that want to eat you and you’re freaking out in general. Later, you learn about them so you know how fast they run or shuffle (unless you’re in the Walking Dead and their speed is dependent on plot needs). But anyway, once you know what you’re dealing with, you can handle them, unless you get stuck with a bunch of them in tight quarters. I thought earlier episodes showed how they all learned to work in concert, and knew how to efficiently kill them. As a mother who’s dealt with babies a LOT, it’s a little amusing for me to watch how they deal with the baby actor playing Judith. “Baby actor” amuses me for one. But she was obviously not crying in the scene where Mica comes and shoots the walker that falls out of the house. She was being shot (with a camera) from the back and the crying was added in later. And then Tyrese walking away at the end with Judith presumably strapped to his back? Where was her head? Babies are bigger than lunch, you know. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Reverse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@Reverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reverse)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2014, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-14/683887/71 "2014-03-17T19:07:24Z")
If they don’t show the baby’s face, it’s probably not a real baby. It’s a small clown. ---
**Author:** ![randwill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a3d4f5/32.png) [@randwill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randwill)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2014, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-14/683887/72 "2014-03-17T19:12:54Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > Why the heck are they sleeping on train tracks or out in the open anyway? Are there parts of suburban / rural Georgia where one can literally spend an entire day hiking along a road and never come across any sort of structure that might serve as a shelter? Yeah, a lot of this season has been them roughing it in the wilderness as if they are stranded in the middle of deepest, darkest Africa. I guess this makes their survival seem more challenging and interesting but might give some people the idea that the state of Georgia is largely undeveloped. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2014, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-14/683887/73 "2014-03-17T19:32:57Z")
I definitely did not see some of that coming. Lizzie killing Mica was a complete surprise (and shock), but at that point I was pretty sure that they were going to euthanize Lizzie. What choice did they have? The next thing I honestly expected after that was Carol turning the gun on herself. I think that still could happen. ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2014, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-14/683887/74 "2014-03-17T20:00:38Z")
> [@randwill](#): > > Yeah, a lot of this season has been them roughing it in the wilderness as if they are stranded in the middle of deepest, darkest Africa. I guess this makes their survival seem more challenging and interesting but might give some people the idea that the state of Georgia is largely undeveloped. It also gives the impression that about 5% of Georgians are black, instead of 30%. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2014, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-14/683887/75 "2014-03-17T20:14:29Z")
> [@obfusciatrist](#): > > Even two years into the zombie apocalypse I don’t think I could sleep on train tracks. With my luck I’d get run over by the world’s last train enthusiast, even if it were just one of those old fashioned hand cranked maintenance things (that exist in all old movies so I assume existed in some form in the real world). Nah, you’d get crushed by Bill Murray, driving a car with a groundhog in his lap. So don’t sleep there the next day or it’ll happen again. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2014, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-14/683887/76 "2014-03-17T20:14:57Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > The next thing I honestly expected after that was Carol turning the gun on herself. I think that still could happen. It did happen, she handed Tyrese her gun and confessed what she did fully expecting to take a bullet to the head for it. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2014, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-14/683887/77 "2014-03-17T20:31:00Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > It did happen, she handed Tyrese her gun and confessed what she did fully expecting to take a bullet to the head for it. True, but I expected her to do it herself. I think would think she’d realize that Tyrese was unlikely to to do it for her. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2014, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-14/683887/78 "2014-03-17T21:04:07Z")
I stopped watching awhile back – before the Governor season was over – but I’ve kept up with the threads waiting to hear about an episode with positive feedback. So I watched “Clear” and this one. If they can write two good episodes, why can’t they write ten or twelve? There’ve been some complaints about the girls’ acting, but I thought they were fine, especially the younger one. Back to lurking. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2014, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-14/683887/79 "2014-03-17T23:34:16Z")
…simultaneously one of the best episodes of the series and one that I will never, ever watch again. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2014, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-14/683887/80 "2014-03-17T23:34:28Z")
> [@Human\_Action](#): > > It also gives the impression that about 5% of Georgians are black, instead of 30%. Well the show does manage to have two different black characters of each sex still alive. 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-14/683887.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-14/683887.md?page=5)