# The Walking Dead; 4.14 " **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 17, 2014, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-14/683887 "2014-03-17T00:39:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-14/683887/141 "2014-03-19T03:43:50Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > I think Lizzie “hearing” the walkers was to indicate incipient or full-blown schizophrenia. That is a kind of interesting idea - in her mind, her reality was that they _were_ talking to her. And if you listen closely, the walker on the rails was saying “Ah wuv u”. That’s the way I heard it anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-14/683887/142 "2014-03-19T05:16:03Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > And if you listen closely, the walker on the rails was saying “Ah wuv u”. > > That’s the way I heard it anyway. That zombie was [Brother Love???](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6F1phIrVrw) ---
**Author:** ![Conor\_Nielson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a88e4f/32.png) [@Conor\_Nielson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Conor_Nielson)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-14/683887/143 "2014-03-19T05:45:50Z")
Hoping to see more of Rick, Michonne and Carl on the next episode. No more Daryl and Beth please. ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-14/683887/144 "2014-03-19T06:35:10Z")
> [@montag01](#): > > A top 10 episode for sure, maybe even top 5. I thought there was quite a bit of “Of Mice and Men” going on in this storyline. There were any number of similarities to point to–keeping the mice, the interest in rabbits, the idea of having a place to yourself against the horrors of the world–but the end in particularly seemed highly reminiscent of when George kills Lenny, telling him to look away while George talks and eventually shoots him in the head. I’ve been getting a Lenny vibe from Lizzie all along and felt she was heading toward a similar end. I was just hoping it would be her sister that would do it. Although, Lenny was a lot nicer and just hugged the rabbits too death. > [@Joey\_P](#): > > I thought about that too, it could have just meant a tree fell on the first and it was all the leaves and live wood burning. Even so, if the zombies are attracted to fire, they shouldn’t have wandered away until the fire went out. > > OTOH, we can just work on the assumption that Mika was wrong about the color of the smoke (and Carol didn’t know or didn’t correct her or didn’t care) and the Zombies walked away when it was just smoldering. A deer could have run past and led them away from the still smoldering fire. They do have rather short attention spans. > [@marshmallow](#): > > … > Was anyone else half expecting Carol to humor Lizzie and show her sister turn? Probably wouldn’t have helped, but I dunno what else could be done to convince her otherwise. Yes, I would have done what Soylent Juicy said below. > [@Soylent\_Juicy](#): > > Me: “I would have locked Lizzie in a room with dead-body-Mika and just waited it out.” > > My husband: “You’re fucked up, honey.” So, I guess I’m fucked up, too. > [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I thought Carol was covering for Lizzie killing Karen and company. > I do so hate being mistaken. > It happens so rarely. I was hoping that right up to the confession. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-14/683887/145 "2014-03-19T16:19:57Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Although, in retrospect, it would’ve hit harder if we could’ve seen Lizzie’s perspective, or if she had one. She never explained, and no one asked, what it was that she thought the walkers were, or why she acted as she did. Her craziness was basically unexplained and unrelatable. There was no step by step process where you could say “aha, even though it’s crazy, I can see where her thought process ended up here” That’s why they call it “crazy”. And they did explain it. Lizzie simply didn’t “get” that the zombies weren’t people anymore. As far as she was concerned, they were just sick or “different”. If you were killed, it was just sort of temporary now, since you’ll come back as a walker (remember she felt sorry for shooting that woman in the head back at the prison). In her mind, everyone else was acting crazy by killing walkers for no reason. ---
**Author:** ![Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/bc8723/32.png) [@Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unauthorized_Cinnamon)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-14/683887/146 "2014-03-19T16:50:00Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > That’s why they call it “crazy”. > > And they did explain it. Lizzie simply didn’t “get” that the zombies weren’t people anymore. As far as she was concerned, they were just sick or “different”. If you were killed, it was just sort of temporary now, since you’ll come back as a walker (remember she felt sorry for shooting that woman in the head back at the prison). In her mind, everyone else was acting crazy by killing walkers for no reason. The problem with this gloss is that she sometimes acted like walkers were dangerous monsters, and sometimes like they were pets or playmates. The practical reason is clear - if she had a consistent philosophy/delusion as you describe, she would have been zombie chow many times over, in situations where the show wanted her to survive. But that’s a pretty sad excuse for writing a character’s motivations in a totally inconsistent way (and in a way not reflective of actual mental illness, as far as I can tell), then cover all your sins with the excuse that she’s “crazy.” ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-14/683887/147 "2014-03-19T23:57:13Z")
> [@Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](#): > > The problem with this gloss is that she sometimes acted like walkers were dangerous monsters, and sometimes like they were pets or playmates. How is that problematic? Sane people feel the same way about humans. Okay, maybe not pets, but the point stands. Also dogs. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2014, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-14/683887/148 "2014-03-20T22:57:56Z")
Well [this](http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/20/showbiz/tv/walking-dead-family-friendly/index.html) should be interesting. :dubious: TWD has been syndicated to MyNetworkTV & they’ll be editing to make it “family friendly” for broadcast network viewing. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2014, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-14/683887/149 "2014-03-21T01:03:33Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Well [this](http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/20/showbiz/tv/walking-dead-family-friendly/index.html) should be interesting. :dubious: TWD has been syndicated to MyNetworkTV & they’ll be editing to make it “family friendly” for broadcast network viewing. So, five minute long episodes? ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Barchetta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/da6949/32.png) [@Red\_Barchetta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Barchetta)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2014, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-14/683887/150 "2014-03-21T01:13:50Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > So, five minute long episodes? That actually would make it a dramatically better show. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2014, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-14/683887/151 "2014-03-21T01:24:29Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > So, five minute long episodes? Must leave room for more family oriented commercials. Perhaps two and a half. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2014, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-14/683887/152 "2014-03-21T01:33:36Z")
Wasn’t there supposed to be a spin-off series? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2014, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-14/683887/153 "2014-03-21T03:30:20Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Wasn’t there supposed to be a spin-off series? How so? ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2014, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-14/683887/154 "2014-03-21T05:19:16Z")
Hey, wait a second - this option looks familiar! Like something I posted a few weeks ago. 😃 “Annoyed the ever-loving piss out of me with all their stupidity” ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2014, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-14/683887/155 "2014-03-21T14:19:21Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Wasn’t there supposed to be a spin-off series? They were going to have a situation comedy involving a family of zombies, but the name _Face Off_ was already being used by another show. ---
**Author:** ![Reverse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@Reverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reverse)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2014, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-14/683887/156 "2014-03-21T19:03:57Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Wasn’t there supposed to be a spin-off series? They mentioned that they’re thinking and maybe working on one, but nothing concrete. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2014, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-14/683887/157 "2014-03-21T19:38:14Z")
> [@Reverse](#): > > They mentioned that they’re thinking and maybe working on one, but nothing concrete. Maybe they just need to flesh it out. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2014, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-14/683887/158 "2014-03-21T20:21:17Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Maybe they just need to flesh it out. :rolleyes: This smiley has it’s uses after all. ---
**Author:** ![Roundabout](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/dec6dc/32.png) [@Roundabout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roundabout)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2014, 9:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-14/683887/159 "2014-03-23T09:39:45Z")
Likely the best episode of this season. I appreciate Gimple going all the way with Lizzie and Mika’s plot (instead of needlessly padding it into antoher episode). I still don’t buy Carol’s out-of-character murder of Karen (she was already quarantined from the rest of the group) , her lack of care about doing so, Tyreese’s instant forgiveness, and his complete willingness to have her travel with him afterwards. That’s just too big of a wall to get over in one conversation. But otherwise, I must say this episode was pretty well written (by the show’s standards at least). ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2014, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-14/683887/160 "2014-03-23T15:08:47Z")
> [@Roundabout](#): > > I still don’t buy Carol’s out-of-character murder of Karen (she was already quarantined from the rest of the group) , her lack of care about doing so, Tyreese’s instant forgiveness, and his complete willingness to have her travel with him afterwards. That’s just too big of a wall to get over in one conversation. I understand Carol’s reasoning, but I don’t agree with it. They were quarantined, as you say. They would have recovered, in which case they were no danger; or they would have died, in which case they could have been dealt with then. But I understand her reasoning. I don’t have a problem with Tyreese forgiving her. He’s a good egg. He did grab the gun, but the better angels of his nature stilled his hand. He loves Carol. Even though she killed Karen, killing Carol would take one more loved one from him and he would be alone. There’s still plenty of time for his emotions to work their way out, and for him to come to terms with his relationship with Carol. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-14/683887.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-4-14/683887.md?page=9)