# The Walking Dead; 5.01 "No Santuary" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 12, 2014, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-01-no-santuary-open-spoilers/701149 "2014-10-12T22:35:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2014, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-01-no-santuary-open-spoilers/701149/181 "2014-10-17T03:30:16Z")
So did Carl eat any of the long pork he was given before the firefight? ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2014, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-01-no-santuary-open-spoilers/701149/182 "2014-10-17T06:49:21Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > I was on her side when she offed the two dying-soon-to-be zombies, although I also thought the young crazy girl did it and Carol was covering. Not me. The two weren’t dying, they were just sick. Granted they were sick with something that might have killed them, but it just as easily might not have. Carol didn’t kill them because they were becoming zombies. Hell, they were locked up tight in jail cells so it wouldn’t have mattered if they became zombies. She killed them because they were normal people who were sick, and Carol wanted to reduce the chances that other people would catch it. Then after she killed them, just about everyone got sick anyway. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2014, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-01-no-santuary-open-spoilers/701149/183 "2014-10-17T07:09:59Z")
From what I recall, there was a boy who opted out of Carol’s weapons class because he didn’t feel well. He died later that night. Not even Ebola kills that fast. From Carol’s perspective, the two other people who fell ill were goners within 12 hours or so. Rick wanted to wait, but at the time, there really didn’t seem to be time to go get antibiotics. Of course the writers decided the other people who got sick could somehow hang on until however long it took to get antibiotics but I don’t blame Carol for mercy killing the two patients. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2014, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-01-no-santuary-open-spoilers/701149/184 "2014-10-17T07:39:11Z")
She didn’t mercy kill them. Her sole motivation was to prevent the spread of the sickness. So instead of letting them live inside locked jail cells, she killed them, dragged their dead bodies outside and lit them on fire. This left a massive blood trail outside the locked cells, so if it spread by body fluids she made it worse. If it was airborne, she made it worse by herself getting within range, and then going about her day interacting with the rest of the group. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2014, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-01-no-santuary-open-spoilers/701149/185 "2014-10-17T12:32:00Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > She didn’t mercy kill them. Her sole motivation was to prevent the spread of the sickness. So instead of letting them live inside locked jail cells, she killed them, dragged their dead bodies outside and lit them on fire. This left a massive blood trail outside the locked cells, so if it spread by body fluids she made it worse. If it was airborne, she made it worse by herself getting within range, and then going about her day interacting with the rest of the group. Word. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2014, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-01-no-santuary-open-spoilers/701149/186 "2014-10-17T12:36:57Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > So did Carl eat any of the long pork he was given before the firefight? No. His dad bit a chunk out of the guy’s neck before it got to that point. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2014, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-01-no-santuary-open-spoilers/701149/187 "2014-10-17T12:41:01Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > She didn’t mercy kill them. Her sole motivation was to prevent the spread of the sickness. So instead of letting them live inside locked jail cells, she killed them, dragged their dead bodies outside and lit them on fire. This left a massive blood trail outside the locked cells, so if it spread by body fluids she made it worse. If it was airborne, she made it worse by herself getting within range, and then going about her day interacting with the rest of the group. And she did all this outside of the decision-making structure of the group. That kind of loose cannon stuff is not conducive to stability. Rick was right to bounce her. (I still think that whole thing was just way too abrupt a departure from the character they had developed for Carol. But that’s water under the badly written bridge.) ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2014, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-01-no-santuary-open-spoilers/701149/188 "2014-10-17T12:47:36Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > But that’s water under the badly written bridge.) If I didn’t already have such a cool sig, I would steal that. ---
**Author:** ![Algernon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a183cd/32.png) [@Algernon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algernon)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2014, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-01-no-santuary-open-spoilers/701149/189 "2014-10-17T13:17:45Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > … or signs of true insanity like Jennifer being better than Bailey, means a bullet in the head. Heh, heh. I know the readers here are geeky trivia addicts, but many are pretty young. I wonder how many people have no idea what you’re talking about. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2014, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-01-no-santuary-open-spoilers/701149/190 "2014-10-17T13:34:28Z")
> [@The\_Joker\_and\_the\_Thief](#): > > Speaking of internal consistency, I’m still disappointed they showed zombies using tools in the first episodes and then promptly dropped that notion (When Rick was in a department store after escaping the tank, a zombie is shown breaking the glass with a rock). The early episodes are a little inconsistent before they decided on the “rules”. There’s also a scene where the Zombies try climbing a ladder. ---
**Author:** ![obfusciatrist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4af34b/32.png) [@obfusciatrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/obfusciatrist)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2014, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-01-no-santuary-open-spoilers/701149/191 "2014-10-17T13:43:45Z")
> [@Cyros](#): > > Great episode! Are we taking bets on how long until Michonne gets a new katana? > [@levdrakon](#): > > Bummer about Michonne’s Katana. I thought Carol would pick it up along with the crossbow. Maybe that Terminus bad guy will bring it with him when he goes after the group. Looks like Michonne has already fashioned herself a double edged staff weapon of some kind. Didn’t Rick list the katana as one of the items he’d buried in the bag with the guns and compound bow? ---
**Author:** ![eenerms](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/cdc98d/32.png) [@eenerms](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eenerms)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2014, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-01-no-santuary-open-spoilers/701149/192 "2014-10-17T13:46:20Z")
> [@obfusciatrist](#): > > Didn’t Rick list the katana as one of the items he’d buried in the bag with the guns and compound bow? I thought this too. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2014, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-01-no-santuary-open-spoilers/701149/193 "2014-10-17T14:06:42Z")
> [@obfusciatrist](#): > > Didn’t Rick list the katana as one of the items he’d buried in the bag with the guns and compound bow? I would not think she would part from it going to a new place. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2014, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-01-no-santuary-open-spoilers/701149/194 "2014-10-17T14:14:50Z")
Gareth calls them “the archer” and “the samuri”, so she must have had it when captured, so it is somewhere at Terminus. ---
**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2014, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-01-no-santuary-open-spoilers/701149/195 "2014-10-17T16:00:03Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Your hatred of Tasha Yar runs very deep, doesn’t it? > > It bugged me. I completely understand _why_ Carol did that, and why she let the walkers devour Mary alive, but it crossed a line, as did Rick’s decision to let the butchers turn. I don’t understand that reasoning (Rick’s, I mean). The decision to “let someone turn” can really come back to bite you, in the very literal sense of the word. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2014, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-01-no-santuary-open-spoilers/701149/196 "2014-10-17T16:12:12Z")
> [@gytalf2000](#): > > I don’t understand that reasoning (Rick’s, I mean). The decision to “let someone turn” can really come back to bite you, in the very literal sense of the word. Oh, I UNDERSTOOD it. There were so many walkers around that one more didn’t matter, and allowing someone to turn is an indication of ultimate contempt. In this world the second-worst fate a person can imagine is becoming a walker (the worst is probably being eaten alive). Which is why it bothered me. Letting the butcher turn was exactly like letting Mary be eaten alive; it’s an example of Rick’s losing his moral compass. Which I’m sure was the point. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2014, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-01-no-santuary-open-spoilers/701149/197 "2014-10-17T16:48:49Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > Just noticed the typo in the thread title. I notice it every time I open this thread. ☹ Regarding Rick losing his moral compass, that’s something this group has struggled with since just about Day One, and they will continue to struggle with. I think it boils down to, do you want to be right, or do you want to be dead? There are so many ways to die in this zombie apocalypse, and only a few ways to live. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2014, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-01-no-santuary-open-spoilers/701149/198 "2014-10-17T16:55:43Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > I notice it every time I open this thread. ☹ > > Regarding Rick losing his moral compass, that’s something this group has struggled with since just about Day One, and they will continue to struggle with. I think it boils down to, do you want to be right, or do you want to be dead? There are so many ways to die in this zombie apocalypse, and only a few ways to live. It’s one thing to be show no mercy in the sense of doing whatever it takes to survive. It’s another thing to utterly dehumanize your opponent. Regardless of whether the butcher deserved to be allowed to turn, or whether Mary deserved to be eaten alive, allowing such a thing was bad for Rick & Carol on a–I hate to use this word – on a spiritual level. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2014, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-01-no-santuary-open-spoilers/701149/199 "2014-10-17T17:49:38Z")
I dunno. Those guys were about to butcher and eat them. I think a little “F\*\*\* You!” was in order. On a spiritual level. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![PlumBob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ee59a6/32.png) [@PlumBob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlumBob)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2014, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-01-no-santuary-open-spoilers/701149/200 "2014-10-17T18:05:29Z")
> [@Algernon](#): > > Heh, heh. I know the readers here are geeky trivia addicts, but many are pretty young. I wonder how many people have no idea what you’re talking about. Red Wrigglers, the Cadillac of worms! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-01-no-santuary-open-spoilers/701149.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-01-no-santuary-open-spoilers/701149.md?page=11)