# The Walking Dead; 5.01 "No Santuary" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 12, 2014, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-01-no-santuary-open-spoilers/701149 "2014-10-12T22:35:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![GrumpyBunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc8723/32.png) [@GrumpyBunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrumpyBunny)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2014, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-01-no-santuary-open-spoilers/701149/101 "2014-10-14T11:09:14Z")
> [@Hey\_Hey\_Paula](#): > > The pile of stuffed animals got to me. They were eating children too? :mad:☹ Like veal, I guessed. Actually I wondered about that. You’d think they wouldn’t go far. You’d also think that it would be easier to keep the children and “turn” them into cannibals who could carry on the, um, lifestyle. ---
**Author:** ![Klaatu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Klaatu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Klaatu)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2014, 11:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-01-no-santuary-open-spoilers/701149/102 "2014-10-14T11:24:43Z")
I didn’t know Mary was Denise Crosby AKA Tasha Yar from Star Trek TNG. Saw that online somewhere. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2014, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-01-no-santuary-open-spoilers/701149/103 "2014-10-14T12:33:08Z")
> [@Klaatu](#): > > I didn’t know Mary was Denise Crosby AKA Tasha Yar from Star Trek TNG. Saw that online somewhere. I noticed it when she was standing behind the table of barbecue last season, as she used to stand behind the tactical board on Enterprise. Hailing frequencies closed, Sir. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2014, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-01-no-santuary-open-spoilers/701149/104 "2014-10-14T17:25:38Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > Who would ‘the authorities’ be? I’m not sure I understand that. > > As for Detroit, if it’s not just a random city, I could see it being used because it’s got the Big Three car companies there which would give them three huge compounds to work with. > I mean, any blue collar town will have huge factories, hell, any white collar town will have office buildings, so I don’t know what’s special about Detroit. Maybe an unlimited supply of cars? > [@EllisDee](#): > > My guess is that Detroit is desperate enough for business that your production can get huge tax incentives. The Michigan Film (and television) Tax Incentives are making a comeback. In 2010, it was the most attractive state to shoot in in that regard. Plus with the added bonus of scorched earth, urban/industrial decay, and even rural/wooded areas to shoot among, it’s practically perfect. Especially if the characters are going to be crawling their way out of the South, the producers mentioned they want to begin to show the toll of time no upkeep has taken on civilization. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2014, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-01-no-santuary-open-spoilers/701149/105 "2014-10-14T17:28:21Z")
[QUOTE=cmyk] Plus with the added bonus of scorched earth, urban/industrial decay, and even rural/wooded areas to shoot among, it’s practically perfect. [/QUOTE] Plus plotwise, Michigan has more militia groups than any state but Texas by some reports, so it’s peopled with survivalists. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2014, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-01-no-santuary-open-spoilers/701149/106 "2014-10-14T17:28:26Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > Who would ‘the authorities’ be? I’m not sure I understand that. I’m thinking the government- as it tries to maintain control and order, different factions breaking away as to how to respond to the crisis, how is a power vacuum dealt with as leaders die off, what types of research/healthcare it tries to provide. For example- what was it like inside the CDC before it blew up. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2014, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-01-no-santuary-open-spoilers/701149/107 "2014-10-14T18:11:36Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Plus plotwise, Michigan has more militia groups than any state but Texas by some reports, so it’s peopled with survivalists. You astonish me. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2014, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-01-no-santuary-open-spoilers/701149/108 "2014-10-14T18:43:32Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > I’m thinking the government- as it tries to maintain control and order, different factions breaking away as to how to respond to the crisis, how is a power vacuum dealt with as leaders die off, what types of research/healthcare it tries to provide. > > For example- what was it like inside the CDC before it blew up. Assuming that the whole world looks like it does in Atlanta, I can’t imagine there is a government left (hence my question of who ‘the authority’ is). That’s also what keeps bugging me about why the other group is so adamant about getting to DC. What do they think they’re going to find in DC, I’d expect it’s going to be a whole lot of the same, not some totally civilized area with a CDC type lab and that are working towards a cure for the virus thing that’s going on down South as just one of their projects. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2014, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-01-no-santuary-open-spoilers/701149/109 "2014-10-14T18:56:14Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > Assuming that the whole world looks like it does in Atlanta, I can’t imagine there is a government left (hence my question of who ‘the authority’ is). Sure, now. It’d be interesting to have a show that shows what happens as the situation degrades from the start of the apocalypse. That’s how I took that comment anyway. Alternatively, even if they show it from the “now perspective” there may be remnants of factions trying to keep the government working or laying claim to power. ---
**Author:** ![PlumBob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ee59a6/32.png) [@PlumBob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlumBob)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2014, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-01-no-santuary-open-spoilers/701149/110 "2014-10-14T19:00:58Z")
Here’s our new slogan! Detroit! It’s just as good as Atlanta…If you’re thinking of Atlanta from the Walking Dead! ---
**Author:** ![Sauron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce7236/32.png) [@Sauron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sauron)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2014, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-01-no-santuary-open-spoilers/701149/111 "2014-10-14T19:01:38Z")
This episode hooked me fairly early on, when Carol and Tyreese found the Terminus guy in the shack. I won’t get the dialogue exactly right, but: Termite: I told Andy that chick with the sword was going to be bad news … and I want that kid’s hat after he bleeds out. Carol (puts gun to the Termite’s head, speaking deadpan): We’re friends of the chick with the sword and the kid in the hat. Fantastic mini-scene and lines. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2014, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-01-no-santuary-open-spoilers/701149/112 "2014-10-14T19:27:34Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > Alternatively, even if they show it from the “now perspective” there may be remnants of factions trying to keep the government working or laying claim to power. Why am I thinking of _The West Wing_? ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2014, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-01-no-santuary-open-spoilers/701149/113 "2014-10-14T19:57:41Z")
I don’t know if [this Cracked article](http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/how-to-fix-the-walking-dead-in-one-easy-step_p2/) is a response to the Detroit rumors or the source of the Detroit rumors, but either way it makes a good case. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2014, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-01-no-santuary-open-spoilers/701149/114 "2014-10-14T21:04:08Z")
Truth be told, I’m ready for some positive rebuilding-society arcs. If they meet another super-insane group of survivors, well, three time’s _not_ the charm. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2014, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-01-no-santuary-open-spoilers/701149/115 "2014-10-14T21:15:34Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Truth be told, I’m ready for some positive rebuilding-society arcs. If they meet another super-insane group of survivors, well, three time’s _not_ the charm. Absolutely. It’s getting very rinse/lather/bloodbath/repeat. Speaking of, get Darryl some no-wash shampoo. Carol can clearly show him where to wash off. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2014, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-01-no-santuary-open-spoilers/701149/116 "2014-10-14T21:25:18Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Truth be told, I’m ready for some positive rebuilding-society arcs. They are out to make money, so I doubt they will stray far from the Walking Dead general theme. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2014, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-01-no-santuary-open-spoilers/701149/117 "2014-10-15T02:14:56Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > I’m thinking the government- as it tries to maintain control and order, different factions breaking away as to how to respond to the crisis, how is a power vacuum dealt with as leaders die off, what types of research/healthcare it tries to provide. > > For example- what was it like inside the CDC before it blew up. That’s exactly what I was going for. Sure DC’s probably abandoned, but how long did Mt Weather or [insert secret undisclosed location] hold out? Are there any state or local governments still functioning? Is the entire world as fucked up as Georgia is, or is New Zealand limping along? ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2014, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-01-no-santuary-open-spoilers/701149/118 "2014-10-15T02:37:13Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > That’s exactly what I was going for. Sure DC’s probably abandoned, but how long did Mt Weather or [insert secret undisclosed location] hold out? Are there any state or local governments still functioning? Is the entire world as fucked up as Georgia is, or is New Zealand limping along? Funny story - turns out it’s _only_ Georgia, and nobody else even noticed. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2014, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-01-no-santuary-open-spoilers/701149/119 "2014-10-15T02:45:20Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Funny story - turns out it’s _only_ Georgia, and nobody else even noticed. You think zombies are a problem? Don’t piss off Southerners. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2014, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-01-no-santuary-open-spoilers/701149/120 "2014-10-15T03:10:44Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > You think zombies are a problem? > Don’t piss off Southerners. > :rolleyes: Actually, they’re really not much of a problem. They’re slow and shambling, and they lack any discernable intelligence. They’re only problematic in groups and you kind of have to make poor decisions yourself in order to be vulnerable to them in any way. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-01-no-santuary-open-spoilers/701149.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-01-no-santuary-open-spoilers/701149.md?page=7)