# The Walking Dead; 5.03 "Four Walls and a Roof" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 27, 2014, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618 "2014-10-27T00:39:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2014, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618/41 "2014-10-27T19:14:14Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > Somebody remind me: who is Beth again? Beth is the fair-haired and oddly hot younger sister of Maggie. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2014, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618/42 "2014-10-27T19:19:22Z")
> [@MacTech](#): > > Once again, LPITA gives away their position :smack: > > More trouble than she’s worth… Bullshit. The purpose of human society, more than anything else, is to take care of babies and children. I’ll lay odds that if you asked the majority of that group – not merely Rick and Carl, but Daryl, Carol, Maggie, Glenn, Tyreese, & Sasha too – what the group’s priority should be at any time, it would be to protect and nurture Judith, and that if all the adults escaped a crisis at the cost of her life, they had failed. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2014, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618/43 "2014-10-27T19:20:34Z")
Scarlett’s “I’ll never be hungry again” scene would really have worked his season, but I’m not sure who’d have said it. Denise Crosby would have been most logical I suppose, but I think Michonne would make the better silhouette as the music swells. ---
**Author:** ![AtomicDog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ac91a4/32.png) [@AtomicDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AtomicDog)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2014, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618/44 "2014-10-27T19:55:12Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Bullshit. The purpose of human society, more than anything else, is to take care of babies and children. I’ll lay odds that if you asked the majority of that group – not merely Rick and Carl, but Daryl, Carol, Maggie, Glenn, Tyreese, & Sasha too – what the group’s priority should be at any time, it would be to protect and nurture Judith, and that if all the adults escaped a crisis at the cost of her life, they had failed. This. Without babies, the human race ENDS. Without babies, there is no hope, and Rick & company are just wandering around, waiting to die one way or another. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2014, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618/45 "2014-10-27T20:00:17Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Beth is the fair-haired and oddly hot younger sister of Maggie. Disappeared from Daryl in a car after drinking moonshine. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2014, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618/46 "2014-10-27T20:01:10Z")
> [@AtomicDog](#): > > This. > > Without babies, the human race ENDS. Without babies, there is no hope, and Rick & company are just wandering around, waiting to die one way or another. hence _ **The Walking Dead** _ ---
**Author:** ![UncleRojelio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/unclerojelio/32/3160_2.png) [@UncleRojelio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleRojelio)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2014, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618/47 "2014-10-27T20:17:26Z")
> [@MacTech](#): > > Once again, LPITA gives away their position :smack: > > More trouble than she’s worth… Nope. She played a vital role of attracting the attention of Gareth’s group to the hiding room in case any of them were watching front door so Rick’s platoon could slip back in. Excellent timing. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2014, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618/48 "2014-10-27T20:20:47Z")
> [@flaming\_yawn](#): > > who is in the woods with Daryl… Dont say Carol please, why would she hang back. Beth and then we see her whole arc in a flashback? New character? I want to see a small pond with everyone jumping in and washing the food bank slime out of their clothes and maybe a bar of soap. > > One thing that bothers me …small thing but what season is it and what is the temperature? One is in a winter coat, one is in a tee shirt, judith in a heavy sweater? When we flashed on Morgan he looked ready for a blizzard. I assume some dress for protection, not comfort. As I’ve said before, in a real zombie apocalypse, the medieval cosplay guys will rule the Earth. ---
**Author:** ![AtomicDog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ac91a4/32.png) [@AtomicDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AtomicDog)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2014, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618/49 "2014-10-27T21:02:17Z")
> [@simster](#): > > hence > > _ **The Walking Dead** _ I _walked_ into that one, didn’t I? You win the Internet. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2014, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618/50 "2014-10-27T21:21:11Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > The major mistakes that leapt out at me: > > 1. Returning Bob alive to the church as an amateurish attempt at psychological warfare. Returning Bob’s corpse, or just his severed head, would have had the same effect, without providing Rick & company free intel. But because Gareth wanted to be all dramatic and shit, he provided Rick with info on the Termites’ numbers, base, weapons, and so forth. I disagree. Or rather, I disagree that Gareth was attempting psychological warfare. He _wanted_ Bob to tell Rick _exactly_ where they, Gareth and his friends, were hiding. Perhaps he wanted Rick to _think_ it was PSYOPS, but that was misdirection. His actual goal was to get as many of Rick’s group out of the church as possible so that his gang could take the people in the church while Rick’s Raiders were elsewhere. > [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > 1. For that matter, their entire assault was stupid. Gareth knew exactly where the Grimes group was. They have a means to make fire. They’re ruthless. They should have just waited till the middle of the night, posted half the group in front of the church and half in back, and set the place ablaze. As other said, I think they wanted ‘meat on the hoof’, rather than a few hundred pounds of barbecue that they would never be able to eat before it spoiled. The plan was a good one: Reduce the number of defenders so that they could accomplish their objective. (Remember that they were outnumbered and outgunned.) Too bad for them, Rick was smarter than In initially gave him credit for. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2014, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618/51 "2014-10-27T21:27:22Z")
> [@MeanJoe](#): > > … The entire thing felt incredibly contrived … There’s way too much of this with this show in general. (If it weren’t so popular, and therefore useful to stay abreast of, I don’t think I’d watch. So many moments of “you’ve GOT to be kidding…”) > [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > … Am I mistaken, or did Carl not utter a single syllable in this episode? What was up with that? > [@Furious\_Marmot](#): > > Could it be a cost savings? Do they pay the actors less for an episode in which they appear, but do not speak? Extras are cheaper than speaking roles, but for a series regular (with a contract) I don’t think the pay is any less if your character has no lines. More likely, perhaps: the young actor may be having orthodontic work done. (There’d be no way to explain Carl suddenly acquiring braces! :dubious:) ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2014, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618/52 "2014-10-27T23:33:43Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > I disagree. Or rather, I disagree that Gareth was attempting psychological warfare. He _wanted_ Bob to tell Rick _exactly_ where they, Gareth and his friends, were hiding. Perhaps he wanted Rick to _think_ it was PSYOPS, but that was misdirection. His actual goal was to get as many of Rick’s group out of the church as possible so that his gang could take the people in the church while Rick’s Raiders were elsewhere. Agreed. That was Gareth’s plan. Get Rick and the boys all pissed off so that they would go marching on their camp. Then when they were gone, swoop into the church for more prisoners/food. This is evidenced by the fact that Gareth’s gang was watching and waiting for Rick’s Raiders to leave. Good plan, but not good enough! ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2014, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618/53 "2014-10-27T23:49:10Z")
> [@MeanJoe](#): > > On the positive side, the actor who plays Bob was really good in this episode. His on the edge of madness “TAINTED MEAT” scene was excellent. As was his final scenes, if drawn out a little too long. I liked that in his situation they also had the small mention of Jim from season one - good to see that continuity there and that the writers showed us the group still remembers Jim. While watching the episode I couldn’t remember who Jim was. Reading this post I now remember Jim, I think; he was the crazy guy who kept digging graves for everyone, right? Now that I remember Jim, I forget the context in which his name came up in the episode. What was the reference? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2014, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618/54 "2014-10-27T23:53:20Z")
Who was the guy who was turning and left sitting under a tree? ---
**Author:** ![grude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2014, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618/55 "2014-10-28T00:07:01Z")
> [@simster](#): > > hence > > _ **The Walking Dead** _ It occurred to me during the comics run that all of us, every single person is a member of the walking dead. Think about it. I don’t think you can be turned in this universe by eating the meat of a person bit by a zombie, or hell even eating actual decaying zombie meat. You’d probably only vomit, I think even if a person is zombie bit but put on IV antibiotics they would be fine but in a pinch amputation quickly works. It is established everyone is already infected, the condition for turning is death period. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2014, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618/56 "2014-10-28T00:09:21Z")
I agree with the others. The point of giving Bob back was to draw Rick out. While I do not forgive the Termites and I think in the end Rick did the right thing, you can still feel bad they ended up like they did. They tried to do the decent thing and got torture and rape in return. That would screw with anyone’s head. I liked the episode well enough but I was disappointed everything with Bob worked out pretty much exactly as everyone guessed it would last week. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2014, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618/57 "2014-10-28T00:13:29Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Now that I remember Jim, I forget the context in which his name came up in the episode. What was the reference? I believe they were discussing the length of time it takes to turn after having been bitten. ---
**Author:** ![MeanJoe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanjoe/32/5693_2.png) [@MeanJoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanJoe)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2014, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618/58 "2014-10-28T00:25:23Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Who was the guy who was turning and left sitting under a tree? That was Jim in the first season. In this episode, when discussing Bob being bitten someone made a comment about how long it was after Jim was bitten. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2014, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618/59 "2014-10-28T01:32:58Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Beth is the fair-haired and oddly hot younger sister of Maggie. Who was abducted after her & Daryl were forced out of that weird Gingerbread funeral parlour. > [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Bullshit. The purpose of human society, more than anything else, is to take care of babies and children. I’ll lay odds that if you asked the majority of that group – not merely Rick and Carl, but Daryl, Carol, Maggie, Glenn, Tyreese, & Sasha too – what the group’s priority should be at any time, it would be to protect and nurture Judith, and that if all the adults escaped a crisis at the cost of her life, they had failed. Agreed. > [@Sampiro](#): > > Scarlett’s “I’ll never be hungry again” scene would really have worked his season, but I’m not sure who’d have said it. > > Denise Crosby would have been most logical I suppose, but I think Michonne would make the better silhouette as the music swells. That would’ve been hilarious, but the only way it would’ve worked is she’d had the accent back in her first scene standing over the pot. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2014, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618/60 "2014-10-28T02:32:21Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > Bullshit. The purpose of human society, more than anything else, is to take care of babies and children. Hell it is. Best $400.00 that I ever spent. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618.md?page=4)