# The Walking Dead; 5.03 "Four Walls and a Roof" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 27, 2014, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618 "2014-10-27T00:39:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2014, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618/61 "2014-10-28T02:59:21Z")
I’m assuming we’re going to see an episode of Rick and the gang one week, and Abrams and his gang the next, until they finally meet up at the end of the season. Morgan is a good guess for who Daryl’s about to pull out of the woods, but as someone mentioned upthread, I don’t think he knows him, and would be untrusting of him. Perhaps we’ll be getting a flashback episode next week of when Daryl and Carol went off chasing the White Cross car, finally locating Beth, finding out what’s up with all of that, then the end of that episode will dovetail into the cliffhanger from this weeks episode. So, depending on what goes down during that episode should make the reveal more relevant as to who he brought with him in tow. I’m figuring it’s a new character, as anyone else is just too obvious (otherwise, only Beth makes sense to me. But then… where’s Carol?). So, of course all of that is way off the mark. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2014, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618/62 "2014-10-28T04:19:35Z")
Other than an 18 wheeler, could there be a more impractical vehicle to take to DC than an old bus? Do those things even run on the regular gasoline? And even if they do, how long is it going to take you to siphon enough to refill it? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2014, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618/63 "2014-10-28T04:23:22Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Other than an 18 wheeler, could there be a more impractical vehicle to take to DC than an old bus? I dunno. Canoe? ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2014, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618/64 "2014-10-28T05:55:16Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Other than an 18 wheeler, could there be a more impractical vehicle to take to DC than an old bus? A horse and buggy A rickshaw A Chevy Nova On foot ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2014, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618/65 "2014-10-28T06:23:15Z")
I was relieved to find the Termini had amputated Bob’s leg and carefully wrapped the wound. Last week I had the impression they’d put a tourniquet on his right leg, then put his right leg on the fire to cook and eat while it was still attached to Bob. Still gross, but not as gross. Carl may have had some dialogue that was simply left on the editing room floor. It could be Carol behind Daryl. Maybe her contract is for x episodes and this wasn’t one of them. This show is big on fake outs. There hasn’t been time for Daryl to chase that car all the way back to Atlanta, get Beth and make it back, unless there are whole days going by they just don’t bother to show us or mention. I noticed Judith is an amazingly quiet baby, except when the plot requires her to cry. Is Fr. Gabriel going to join the group? He’s probably a bigger liability than Judith’s crying, and I still can’t believe he survived on his own this whole time. Wasn’t there a woman in the Terminus group? I didn’t notice her getting slaughtered with the men. Other than shitty gas mileage, I don’t see the problem with the bus. They know how to repair it and there are apparently lots of gas-filled vehicles sitting around and they can fill up extra gas cans. If Morgan is “months” behind Rick, then Rick’s group is going to have to hang around that area for awhile because if they took off for DC, how’s Morgan going to follow that trail? He was following the marks that the Terminus people left, which will only lead him as far as the church. I was almost expecting Morgan to come jumping out of the trees during the church battle. I hope it doesn’t take months to find Beth and we have to watch everything that has happened to Beth this whole time. She’s not that interesting. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2014, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618/66 "2014-10-28T06:30:03Z")
Missed the edit window, but Why is it when the good guys are anywhere out in the woods, they get jumped by zombies, but when the bad guys are skulking around the woods, no zombies. Not fair. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2014, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618/67 "2014-10-28T12:55:09Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > If Morgan is “months” behind Rick, then Rick’s group is going to have to hang around that area for awhile because if they took off for DC, how’s Morgan going to follow that trail? He was following the marks that the Terminus people left, which will only lead him as far as the church. I was almost expecting Morgan to come jumping out of the trees during the church battle. I hope it doesn’t take months to find Beth and we have to watch everything that has happened to Beth this whole time. She’s not that interesting. Well, not exactly. The Terminus tree markings were minus signs/hyphens (extremely neatly cut, by the way). The signs Morgan was following were crosses. It looked like someone had embellished the Terminians signs (or “cancelled” them) for some reason. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2014, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618/68 "2014-10-28T13:06:01Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Other than shitty gas mileage, I don’t see the problem with the bus. They know how to repair it and there are apparently lots of gas-filled vehicles sitting around and they can fill up extra gas cans. Collect all the containers you can find for gas. Fill up with fuel, food and water as you find them. There is a lot of room. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2014, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618/69 "2014-10-28T13:35:45Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Collect all the containers you can find for gas. Fill up with fuel, food and water as you find them. There is a lot of room. The objection about it running on diesel making it harder to find gas for is a fair one. > [@levdrakon](#): > > Wasn’t there a woman in the Terminus group? I didn’t notice her getting slaughtered with the men. They showed her death in the “In Memoriam” on Talking Dead, so it was showed in the actual show. Like you, I don’t remember it either. I assume she’s the one Michonne killed due to the classic tv trope of if there’s women in the group, they can only fight each other. ---
**Author:** ![minionkat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@minionkat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minionkat)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2014, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618/70 "2014-10-28T14:05:37Z")
> [@Furious\_Marmot](#): > > What was the deal with the A? When we saw it, we said “Anarchists too?”, but obviously it was supposed to mean something. > > They already marked a tree right next to the church, so it wasn’t for navigation. It couldn’t be for intimidation because they already dumped a partially eaten guy out front, and that really gets your point across. I think the A was a reference to the boxcar where Rick et al were held at Terminus. It was marked A as well. There was a line in the premiere about “four from A, four from D”. It was also the title of last season’s finale. Gareth thought he was being clever marking his “meat” as it was before. > [@EllisDee](#): > > The objection about it running on diesel making it harder to find gas for is a fair one. > > They showed her death in the “In Memoriam” on Talking Dead, so it was showed in the actual show. Like you, I don’t remember it either. I assume she’s the one Michonne killed due to the classic tv trope of if there’s women in the group, they can only fight each other. Michonne did kill the woman in the group. Abraham killed the other man left standing, I don’t think he was named. Sasha killed Martin, and of course, Rick and the red handled machete took out Gareth. Maggie, Glenn and Tyrese did a great job looking horrified in that scene. I was pretty horrified, but I think it was absolutely necessary. “We didn’t want to waste the bullets” may be one of the most stone cold statements made on this show. It was chilling. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2014, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618/71 "2014-10-28T14:19:20Z")
> [@grude](#): > > I don’t think you can be turned in this universe by eating the meat of a person bit by a zombie, or hell even eating actual decaying zombie meat. You’d probably only vomit, I think even if a person is zombie bit but put on IV antibiotics they would be fine but in a pinch amputation quickly works. I posted a link somewhere that suggests that while everyone turns when they die (unless the brain is destroyed), the disease itself isn’t fatal. Instead, a bite or zombie scratch introduces a new/different pathogen that causes a fatal illness. It’s possible that meat from someone who has been bitten/scratched contains this pathogen, and that eating it will cause a fatal illness. We don’t know if it does; but I can see that eating it could be fatal, as _E. coli_ can be when it is not destroyed by cooking. > [@Sampiro](#): > > Other than an 18 wheeler, could there be a more impractical vehicle to take to DC than an old bus? > Do those things even run on the regular gasoline? And even if they do, how long is it going to take you to siphon enough to refill it? Some buses run on gasoline, and some run on Diesel fuel. What I always think about is the gasoline. It seems to ‘go bad’ pretty quickly. For example, the lawnmower won’t start after sitting over Winter unless I remember to put fuel stabiliser in the tank. A couple of years ago the Jeep hadn’t been driven in a while, and it would barely run until new fuel was put in. Gasoline doesn’t seem to last as long as it used to. There was a zombie game show (?) on a couple of years ago. (Maybe it wasn’t a ‘game show’ _per se_, but a ‘let’s put these people into a simulated ZA and see how they fare’ style of thing.) They used pig carcasses to stand in for human corpses, and rendered their fat. The fat was used to make fuel for Diesel engines. Seemed to work. > [@levdrakon](#): > > Wasn’t there a woman in the Terminus group? I didn’t notice her getting slaughtered with the men. I think it was Abe that bashed her head in with the butt of his M-16. I remember seeing her being bludgeoned, and I think it was Abe anyway. (Note: I hate it when they use M-16s for bludgeons. I’m not sure they’re that strong.) … I watched _The Talking Dead_ last night. I call Tonka ‘Hungry Hungry Hippo’ sometimes when he’s eating. I liked it that Chris Hardwick called the Termites ‘Hungry Hungry Hippies’. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2014, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618/72 "2014-10-28T14:20:26Z")
> [@minionkat](#): > > Michonne did kill the woman in the group. Abraham killed the other man left standing… Then I misremembered. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2014, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618/73 "2014-10-28T14:24:07Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > I watched _The Talking Dead_ last night. I call Tonka ‘Hungry Hungry Hippo’ sometimes when he’s eating. I liked it that Chris Hardwick called the Termites ‘Hungry Hungry Hippies’. 😃 Sorry to pick nits, but it was “Hungry Hungry Hipsters”, in keeping with their suggested backstory of Gareth being a frustrated barrista. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2014, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618/74 "2014-10-28T14:42:12Z")
Nevertheless. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2014, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618/75 "2014-10-28T14:50:17Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Nevertheless. Yes, well… Hipsters is funnier than hippies. ---
**Author:** ![GrumpyBunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc8723/32.png) [@GrumpyBunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrumpyBunny)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2014, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618/76 "2014-10-28T15:46:45Z")
> [@Furious\_Marmot](#): > > The clothing and vegetation are not very seasonally consistent. I think it’s autumn; they were starting to add layers at the end of last season, and it’s only been a couple of days since then. I’d bet that Morgan’s flash-forward is early spring. > > They have skipped winter twice: between leaving the farm and discovering the prison, then again between Woodbury’s destruction and the superflu/final Governor showdown. They’ll probably skip it again, shooting schedules and all that Winter really isn’t very interesting in Georgia, unless they’re in the mountains. Now if they were farther north, we could see a zombie fight during a blizzard. That would be interesting. ---
**Author:** ![GrumpyBunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc8723/32.png) [@GrumpyBunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrumpyBunny)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2014, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618/77 "2014-10-28T15:53:04Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > Sorry to pick nits, but it was “Hungry Hungry Hipsters”, in keeping with their suggested backstory of Gareth being a frustrated barrista. I’m trying to work “Hungry Hungry Hipsters” into conversation… ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2014, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618/78 "2014-10-28T16:13:59Z")
> [@grude](#): > > It occurred to me during the comics run that all of us, every single person is a member of the walking dead. Think about it. Well to be fair… (spoiler for something fairly early on in the comic) Rick has a breakdown and an issue literally ends with him screaming “We’re all the walking dead!” ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2014, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618/79 "2014-10-28T17:07:31Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I dunno. Canoe? I was thinking that water routes would probably work better if you could get a boat to running. The vast majority of east coast cities and even most good sized towns are built on water ways, and while zombies might be able to walk around under water we’ve seen that water logging wears them out a bit. A big pontoon boat with a grill and plenty of fishing gear would be a good refuge for a while. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2014, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618/80 "2014-10-28T17:22:30Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > I > (Note: I hate it when they use M-16s for bludgeons. I’m not sure they’re that strong.) I should think it would move the telescopic sights out of alignment. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618.md?page=5)