# The Walking Dead; 5.03 "Four Walls and a Roof" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 27, 2014, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618 "2014-10-27T00:39:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2014, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618/81 "2014-10-28T17:24:28Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > I prefer the human Michonne to the memetic badass one. > > I actually agree with not going back to kill the Termites in the season premiere. It wasn’t mercy; it was just better sense. They’d have been wading into a place overwhelmed by zombies to take on an unknown number of human unfriendlies. They’d escaped without losing anyone from their group; best to take the win. > In this episode, I agree. I agree with you on all three of these. Strange, as that does not happen often. The problem wasn’t with killing the Hungry Hungry Hipsters. It needed to be done. I think Glen and Maggie were taken aback by the glee at the carnage. They weren’t just bayonetted through the skull, they were hacked and stomped and bludgeoned and beaten. Without going back to rewatch all the episodes (I am not a masochist), I’m pretty sure Rick talked about Morgan to the group at the beginning. Whether or not anyone would remember, or if he would introduce himself as Morgan and something would click in Daryl’s memory, is up for conjecture. > [@MeanJoe](#): > > The entire thing felt incredibly contrived to set-up what was the resolution later in the episode and the storyline for the rest of the season. If you take contrivances out of TV shows, then there would be no TV shows. While it seemed sudden, I fan-wanked Abraham’s insistence as frustration at his lack of progress and accepted it as necessary to move a story along rather than constantly getting caught up in how long things really take. One has to be able to hand-wave away the passage of time in nearly every TV show and most movies. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2014, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618/82 "2014-10-28T17:29:26Z")
I think Beth has “would develop Stockholm Syndrome” written all over her, so if it’s her I’m not sure I’d trust her loyalty if she’s been with bad guys (and I can’t imagine abductors would be good guys). ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2014, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618/83 "2014-10-28T18:27:15Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > While it seemed sudden, I fan-wanked Abraham’s insistence as frustration at his lack of progress and accepted it as necessary to move a story along rather than constantly getting caught up in how long things really take. One has to be able to hand-wave away the passage of time in nearly every TV show and most movies. I don’t think much time passed between their meet-up after Terminus, and the Attack of the Termites. These people are walking, except when they can scrounge a car, so their progress will necessarily be slow. A day or two isn’t going to matter. I thought Abe’s motivation was this: Rick wanted to hunt Hungry Hungry Hipsters. The gnawristas had given a challenge. To a military person whose motivation is to complete a mission, Abe wanted to continue the mission without risking casualties. If they were going to bug out, bugging out in the middle of the night makes sense. The cannibals expected them to take their bait and attack. So they’re (ostensibly) sitting somewhere going ‘Tee hee hee! We know they’re coming!’ Had that been the case, leaving at that moment would give a very good chance of evasion so that the mission could continue. Of course, they _weren’t_ tittering at their meals’ impending capture. They were watching the church. Abe’s tactic of disengagement would not have worked. But if an enemy is in its fortress and expects you to attack, then not attacking would be… erm… unexpected. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2014, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618/84 "2014-10-28T18:29:52Z")
I didn’t see this in this thread, so sorry if someone said it. But I thought everyone had agreed at the campfire to all travel to DC? Why didn’t Rick and others all go with them to DC at the end of this episode. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2014, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618/85 "2014-10-28T18:35:23Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > I didn’t see this in this thread, so sorry if someone said it. But I thought everyone had agreed at the campfire to all travel to DC? Why didn’t Rick and others all go with them to DC at the end of this episode. They have to find Beth, Daryl and Carol. And once again, Eugene would rather stay with his new friends than rush off to DC. He really prefers having lots of capable friends over getting to DC and saving the world anytime soon. Oh, and Eugene is going to have to stand up to Abe eventually. He was acting a bit like an abused housewife there. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2014, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618/86 "2014-10-28T19:19:46Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > They have to find Beth, Daryl and Carol. That’s right, thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2014, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618/87 "2014-10-28T19:25:45Z")
[QUOTE=D\_Odds] Without going back to rewatch all the episodes (I am not a masochist), I’m pretty sure Rick talked about Morgan to the group at the beginning. Whether or not anyone would remember, or if he would introduce himself as Morgan and something would click in Daryl’s memory, is up for conjecture. [/QUOTE] Michonne had first hand experience with Morgan, and mostly not very positive experience either. It would make sense that she would be guarded. However, that scene would have required Morgan to convey that to Daryl. It doesn’t really make sense. It isn’t very likely to be Morgan. It’s either Beth or perhaps someone else who was held captive with Beth. But where is Carol? My hope is that she’s in the woods, covering the rear. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2014, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618/88 "2014-10-28T19:40:17Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > It’s either Beth or perhaps someone else who was held captive with Beth. But where is Carol? My hope is that she’s in the woods, covering the rear. I think it is at least Beth and Carol. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2014, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618/89 "2014-10-28T19:53:44Z")
And Paula Deen as new regular “Aunt Tippy”. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2014, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618/90 "2014-10-28T19:57:08Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I think it is at least Beth and Carol. Daryl seemed sad when Carol’s name was mentioned. I don’t believe she survived the rescue attempt. My guess is that it’s Beth who walks out of the woods but with some kind of chemically induced brain trauma from her forced stay at the, for lack of a better word, hospital. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2014, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618/91 "2014-10-28T20:00:40Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I think it is at least Beth and Carol. How could it be Beth if she’s in a hospital in Atlanta? ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2014, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618/92 "2014-10-28T20:07:22Z")
It would really suck to have them reunited after all this time only for her to get killed immediately after, and for them to have the deaths of two major characters in unrelated plots in consecutive episodes. Not to say that it isn’t possible, but it would suck. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2014, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618/93 "2014-10-28T20:08:32Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > How could it be Beth if she’s in a hospital in Atlanta? The previews suggests that next weeks episode is a flashback that starts with Beth waking up in a hospital shortly after she was abducted by the people in the car with the white cross. The writers have to bring her character’s timeline up to date. ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2014, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618/94 "2014-10-28T20:10:30Z")
The thing about Carol could be that she seemed to be preparing to leave the group by herself (though she probably hoped for Daryl to join her), since they all wanted to go to DC on a mission to save humanity, and she seemed to be happy just being a survivor without such dangerous and lofty pipe-dreams. And that was \*before \*Daryl suddenly hijacked her and her escape vehicle on his mission to go save Beth, where she might have become aware (and jealous) of his apparently increased affections for a younger, prettier, more fertile companion. And yes, on top of it all, she might not entirely trust Beth anymore, either. It’s ironic that Rick cast her out because he saw her as a liability, then she came back and saved them all, and now she might be seeing all of them as a liability. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2014, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618/95 "2014-10-28T21:00:00Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > How could it be Beth if she’s in a hospital in Atlanta? I don’t think that they are a long drive from Atlanta. If they had the car for the trip back (although where is it now), they could have made it. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2014, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618/96 "2014-10-28T22:00:52Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > I don’t think that they are a long drive from Atlanta. If they had the car for the trip back (although where is it now), they could have made it. There isn’t much traffic… ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2014, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618/97 "2014-10-29T03:26:58Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > While watching the episode I couldn’t remember who Jim was. Reading this post I now remember Jim, I think; he was the crazy guy who kept digging graves for everyone, right? > > Now that I remember Jim, I forget the context in which his name came up in the episode. What was the reference? As an aside, the actor who played Jim showed up in “Z Nation” as the Asian shooting girl’s dad last week. > [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I dunno. Canoe? It’s not like you to miss an opportunity like that; your post should have been, “I can’t think of one; canoe?” 😃 > [@carnivorousplant](#): > > There isn’t much traffic… More than you’d think. ---
**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2014, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618/98 "2014-10-29T13:40:24Z")
> [@grude](#): > > BUT I still hate Rick for letting that innocent back packer guy die, adding a single healthy young adult to your community is only to your benefit. Not cool Rick. That scene always bothered me, as well. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2014, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618/99 "2014-10-29T22:13:39Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > It’s not like you to miss an opportunity like that; your post should have been, “I can’t think of one; canoe?” 😃 You have to sleep, sometime. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2014, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618/100 "2014-10-29T22:56:21Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > As an aside, the actor who played Jim showed up in “Z Nation” as the Asian shooting girl’s dad last week… Not to hijack, but is anyone else who’s watching both shows oddly intrigued by how well civilization is holding up on **Z Nation** versus **The Walking Dead**? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-03-four-walls-and-a-roof-open-spoilers/702618.md?page=6)