# The Walking Dead; 5.09 "What Happened and What's Going On" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 9, 2015, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-09-what-happened-and-whats-going-on-open-spoilers/712169 "2015-02-09T00:51:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![SuperNelson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7feea3/32.png) [@SuperNelson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuperNelson)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-09-what-happened-and-whats-going-on-open-spoilers/712169/81 "2015-02-10T00:38:53Z")
> [@RainGrowsBrite](#): > > So perhaps I missed it, but it seemed like we saw Noah’s Mom (dead in the living room), Noah’s Dad (shot himself on the bed) and one of Noah’s twin brothers (who bit Tyrese). Did we see the second twin? Or are we assuming he was the one locked in the bedroom? > > I think that we will definitely come across the “Wolves” gang who also put "W’ on the heads of those walkers… and I guess my hope is, maybe they’ll reconnect Noah with the other twin. I think it could interesting to bring someone Carl’s age into the group. > > If this is not the case… and the other twin is assumed dead… I think the show really missed a great CREEPY Walker moment: two twin young boys coming to eat Tyrese, would’ve been WAY better than one. And more believable that he’d get bit. I’m pretty sure that Noah is the other twin. Walkers don’t age, so they no longer look the same age. Imagine if Carl had a twin that turned in the first week of the outbreak. Carl would grow and age; his dead twin would not. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-09-what-happened-and-whats-going-on-open-spoilers/712169/82 "2015-02-10T00:53:30Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Do we know how long Rick was unattended in his coma? Both the show and comic were vague on that but it is implied it was at least a couple of weeks. ---
**Author:** ![MacTech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MacTech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacTech)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-09-what-happened-and-whats-going-on-open-spoilers/712169/83 "2015-02-10T01:00:40Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > I liked the episode. I enjoy when they try different things. > > There was graffiti referencing someone or something named Wolf and that town looked like more happened than just being overrun by Zombies: the houses looked like they were hit with weapon’s fire and someone cut all those people in half. They were setting up the next Bad Guy I guess. Bad Wolf? Are we going to have a crossover with early NuWho? Zombified Daleks? (Band name!) Would zombie Daleks be called “rollers”, “hover-ers”? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-09-what-happened-and-whats-going-on-open-spoilers/712169/84 "2015-02-10T01:11:46Z")
An extended “I see dead people” sequence is pretty fucking redundant in a series like this, I daresay. ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-09-what-happened-and-whats-going-on-open-spoilers/712169/85 "2015-02-10T02:17:06Z")
> [@SuperNelson](#): > > I’m pretty sure that Noah is the other twin. Walkers don’t age, so they no longer look the same age. Imagine if Carl had a twin that turned in the first week of the outbreak. Carl would grow and age; his dead twin would not. You could be right but I could have sworn Noah kept referring to twin brothers, as in plural. But I could certainly be mistaken. I guess part of my reasoning that he isn’t one of the twins (other than that) is that I know full well what the actor looked like at the age of the twins in the pictures (and so do probably a lot of other viewers) and it would be easy enough to just get pics of him at that age and just photo-shop a twin. The walker twin wouldn’t even have to look that much like him because of the make-up. Using a old pic of Tyler James Williams would also make it that much more obvious it was supposed to be his twin. His facial structure is pretty distinctive. Also, Tyler is about 22 years old now. According to various timelines for WD, 3 years have passed at the most\*. If his twin were about 12, that would put him about 15 or 16. Sure he could be playing younger than his age but I don’t think he’s supposed to be that young. Admittedly, I am terrible at guessing kid’s ages and I could be completely wrong and expecting a lot of thought in casting and set design from a show that likes to do dumb things. \*cite: [http://www.wetpaint.com/walking-dead/articles/2014-01-06-timeline-how-long-zombie-apocalypse](http://www.wetpaint.com/walking-dead/articles/2014-01-06-timeline-how-long-zombie-apocalypse). You can’t really judge by Carl (Chandler Riggs), that’s the trouble with casting pre-teens, puberty won’t wait for the show hiatus, just ask Walt. Also, Judith should be a toddler by now but I don’t think she’s even walking yet. ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-09-what-happened-and-whats-going-on-open-spoilers/712169/86 "2015-02-10T02:42:27Z")
I perused some posts over on the IMDB forum, should have done that sooner it would have been quicker than typing out my post. Everyone is referring to the twins as Noah’s brothers, plural. No one else seems to think it was Noah’s twin. Most people agree that Tyrese was stupid and Everybody Hates Noah. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-09-what-happened-and-whats-going-on-open-spoilers/712169/87 "2015-02-10T02:55:30Z")
> [@Wile\_E](#): > > Also, Tyler is about 22 years old now. According to various timelines for WD, 3 years have passed at the most\*. If his twin were about 12, that would put him about 15 or 16. I agree. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-09-what-happened-and-whats-going-on-open-spoilers/712169/88 "2015-02-10T03:09:43Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > They represented Tyreese’s recollections from childhood of his father’s belief that he should confront the realities of current events in the world. They were infused with details from Tyreese’s current world (e.g., burning prisons). His final words, “Turn it off” illustrated his giving up on facing his reality and giving in to death… I got that they were Tyreese’s hallucinations, but it just weird that he hallucinated a British announcer talking about civil war atrocities (which neatly match stuff that happened on the show) in a mysterious republic. I wondered if that was supposed to be a reference to something. > [@jtgain](#): > > I can’t get over how in the first 4 1/2 seasons they can’t drive more than 10 miles without some major mechanical catastrophe, but in the intro to one episode they have made it over 500 miles and only to go to Noah’s hometown. In two separate cars no less. It seemed hamfisted. > … Yes, that was one of many flaws this episode had. > [@Quimby](#): > > They are definitely in Richmond. That was where Noah was from. Something else I forgot to mention, at first when I saw the wall I thought we were starting… Which means Noah & his dad were scavenging as far away from home as Atlanta? :dubious: Or were they just stuck in GA when the outbreak started? I got the impression Noah was remembering as a fortified survivor colony, not just a regular gated community. > [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > …The biggest vehicular issue I can see in their situation is the availability of fuel. Cars and trucks are very reliable nowadays, and it’s not that difficult to keep speeds low enough that you don’t run into a jumble of abandoned cars that were too far away to see two seconds ago. Fuel might be an issue because everyone was driving their cars to try to get somewhere safe, and Our Gang might have trouble finding cars with fuel still in them… Gasoline can go [stale](http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2668/why-does-gasoline-go-stale-so-quickly); the timeframe varies by brand, how it was stored, and whether it’s an ethanol blend. > [@RainGrowsBrite](#): > > …If this is not the case… and the other twin is assumed dead… I think the show really missed a great CREEPY Walker moment: two twin young boys coming to eat Tyrese, would’ve been WAY better than one. And more believable that he’d get bit. The original **Dawn of the Dead** already did it, and it was creepy has hell (probably more so in the '70s). > [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > I’m sure a lot of those better cars have been looted already, destroyed already, or otherwise rendered unusable… New better cares are likely to have more completed stuff like electronics and be harder for the gang to keep running with the skills & resources they have. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-09-what-happened-and-whats-going-on-open-spoilers/712169/89 "2015-02-10T03:16:48Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > It would have been difficult for Tyrese to make a tourniquet with one hand. A strip of cloth torn with his teeth and a model airplane for a handle. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-09-what-happened-and-whats-going-on-open-spoilers/712169/90 "2015-02-10T03:18:12Z")
> [@Wile\_E](#): > > Most people agree that Tyrese was stupid and Everybody Hates Noah. Meh, they lost some folks because of him. ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-09-what-happened-and-whats-going-on-open-spoilers/712169/91 "2015-02-10T03:37:06Z")
> [@Wile\_E](#): > > I perused some posts over on the IMDB forum, should have done that sooner it would have been quicker than typing out my post. Everyone is referring to the twins as Noah’s brothers, plural. No one else seems to think it was Noah’s twin. > … That sounded harsh. On further reading there were a few other people that thought Noah had a twin but they were quickly shot down. And it was pointed out that in one of the pics on the wall, Noah was sitting behind the twins. ---
**Author:** ![Disgruntled\_Penguin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@Disgruntled\_Penguin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Disgruntled_Penguin)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-09-what-happened-and-whats-going-on-open-spoilers/712169/92 "2015-02-10T03:52:48Z")
> [@theR](#): > > It is completely the case that a bite will lead to death from infection. That blood flows to fast for amputation to prevent the infection may be true in real life, but it’s apparently not true according to the writers of the show or in the show’s universe. The shows creator said this > [@](#): > > The rule is: WHATEVER it is that causes the zombies, is something everyone already has. If you stub your toe, get an infection and die, you turn into a zombie, UNLESS your brain is damaged. If someone shoots you in the head and you die, you’re dead. A zombie bite kills you because of infection, or blood loss, not because of the zombie “virus.” so while some posters here said this doesd not matter it is what the creator of the show universe had in mind so it’s not so clear this isn’t what he had in mind. Note: Tyrese didn’t die of the virus. He died of blood loss. Note: We know that all humans carry the virus and will turn once they die. Question: If we all carry the virus why would more of it matter? This doesn’t even make much sense to me but i’m not a doctor so maybe you can live with the virus in you but even one drop more of it and BLAMMO!!! Zombie time. Note: We have never seen anyone survive a zombie bite except Herschel. Everyone else was either eaten, killed or put down before they could die. Maybe Bob but then we have to assume that it was the virus that got him not the fact that he’d been carved up and eaten by cannibals who had no medical skills or medicines. i really have always believed that they’re chopping off arms for no reason and this episode reinforced that because as pointed out above, there was no way he wasn’t bleeding out the way they chopped him. Ultimately I don’t think they care. It’s a rough world. ---
**Author:** ![sisu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/df705f/32.png) [@sisu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sisu)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-09-what-happened-and-whats-going-on-open-spoilers/712169/93 "2015-02-10T04:16:45Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Yes, but I think they got to Herschel much quicker than they got to Tyrese, though I may be misremembering. > > It’s the same with snake bites. Once the venom spreads, it’s too late. As opposed to dismembering? My 15 yo son and I love watching this show, we both agree it has more holes than my favorite t shirt but whenever we start to question the show one of us will say “you know, zombies, comic book” and we just sit back and enjoy the brain candy floss for what it is…craptastic. ---
**Author:** ![Furious\_Marmot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/dfb087/32.png) [@Furious\_Marmot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Furious_Marmot)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-09-what-happened-and-whats-going-on-open-spoilers/712169/94 "2015-02-10T05:02:13Z")
I didn’t catch everything, but I thought that the radio announcements were supposed to be Tyrese’s recollections of news reports of the actual Rwandan genocide. It would more or less fit the time frame for him hearing about it on the radio as a kid. ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-09-what-happened-and-whats-going-on-open-spoilers/712169/95 "2015-02-10T05:18:09Z")
And now for some humor for those of us frustrated by events. [“MORE WALKING (AND TALKING) DEAD: PART 1”](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6BsMzc9mMs) - A Bad Lip Reading of The Walking Dead Season 4 Be sure to check out [Part 2](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0BnadYbLIU) and [Carl Poppa’s lyric video.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9aM9Ch97U8) ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-09-what-happened-and-whats-going-on-open-spoilers/712169/96 "2015-02-10T12:11:08Z")
All the “it’s just a comic adaptation so of course it sucks” talk is humorous, since from what I’ve read most of the comic fans think the show does a poor job and they’ve changed a lot of things around for the worse. The biggest eye roll part for me over the last several seasons is how everyone monologues while trying to sound deep and inspirational. But they just sound stilted and pretentious and not the way people talk to each other, or like avatars of the write trying to get across Important Truths ™. Tyreese was a big offender, so I’m kinda glad he’s gone. > [@Sherrerd](#): > > But I was more annoyed that the writers simply sidestepped the question that the Tyreese character’s presence posed. They’ve been setting up this _'he won’t fight; can such a stance be legitimate?_’ problem for a long time, now. It’s an issue that’s well worth debating in the world they’ve set up. > > So… they just abandon the question entirely? They have the character killed by _inattention_? You expected character arcs, themes, and reincorporation? You poor bastard! But yes, that was pretty much a complete waste of a character flaw. Why even have that Judith scene if you won’t go anywhere with it. I like hallucination and introspective mindfuck scenes so this episode wasn’t completely terrible, but it definitely dragged. And they were exploring a new place, so that was nice. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-09-what-happened-and-whats-going-on-open-spoilers/712169/97 "2015-02-10T13:52:07Z")
> [@marshmallow](#): > > But they just sound stilted and pretentious and not the way people talk to each other, or like avatars of the write trying to get across Important Truths ™. Tyreese was a big offender, so I’m kinda glad he’s gone. Scott Wilson said that when Herschel had Noble Lines in the script, he knew his character was for the chop. I wonder if Chad Coleman knew when hi time was up. And the depressed, giving up to faith expression of his dying character, that must have been very easy to pull off. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Dante](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dante/32/9673_2.png) [@Dante](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dante)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-09-what-happened-and-whats-going-on-open-spoilers/712169/98 "2015-02-10T15:22:44Z")
> [@SuperNelson](#): > > I’m pretty sure that Noah is the other twin. Walkers don’t age, so they no longer look the same age. Imagine if Carl had a twin that turned in the first week of the outbreak. Carl would grow and age; his dead twin would not. One of the pictures that Distracted Tyreese was looking at showed Noah sitting behind his two twin brothers. I believe brother #1 was on the bed, and brother #2 bit Tyreese. ---
**Author:** ![Edward\_The\_Head](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ce73a5/32.png) [@Edward\_The\_Head](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Edward_The_Head)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-09-what-happened-and-whats-going-on-open-spoilers/712169/99 "2015-02-10T15:28:48Z")
> [@SuperNelson](#): > > I’m pretty sure that Noah is the other twin. Walkers don’t age, so they no longer look the same age. Imagine if Carl had a twin that turned in the first week of the outbreak. Carl would grow and age; his dead twin would not. You’re not the only one that thought that Noah was the other twin. I don’t remember seeing a photo with three kids in it, though it’s hard to see them all. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2015, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-09-what-happened-and-whats-going-on-open-spoilers/712169/100 "2015-02-10T16:29:40Z")
> [@Dante](#): > > One of the pictures that Distracted Tyreese was looking at showed Noah sitting behind his two twin brothers. I believe brother #1 was on the bed, and brother #2 bit Tyreese. Yep. Not only that, but Noah talked about having twin _brothers_ (plural), meaning either that he had two twin brothers who were older or younger than him, or he was a triplet. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-09-what-happened-and-whats-going-on-open-spoilers/712169.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-09-what-happened-and-whats-going-on-open-spoilers/712169.md?page=6)