# The Walking Dead; 5.12 "Remember" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 2, 2015, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-12-remember-open-spoilers/713968 "2015-03-02T00:48:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-12-remember-open-spoilers/713968/181 "2015-03-04T18:18:00Z")
> [@SmellMyWort](#): > > Yeah, what’s with the owl stuff? The necklace, the statue, and the haircut lady had an owl tattoo on her arm. The owls are not what they seem. Oh, wait, different show. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-12-remember-open-spoilers/713968/182 "2015-03-04T18:26:59Z")
> [@Soylent\_Juicy](#): > > My first thought is that it’s because for a long time now Daryl has been Rick’s “second in command”. Now this lady has appointed Rick the Constable and Michonne his assistant …where does that leave Daryl? What is his purpose now? They got into that a little bit back at the prison, but it’s worse now. Rick is a cop, D’s natural enemy, and he has to fit in with a civilized society, when he wasn’t really civilized before the ZA. Me? I’d put him in charge of hunting, but it probably won’t be that simple. He needs to start reading that “Surviving Abuse” book. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-12-remember-open-spoilers/713968/183 "2015-03-04T19:01:07Z")
I wish we could enforce a rule where nobody is allowed to ask questions or discuss all THE GLARING PLOT HOLES IN THE SHOW, because there are so many, It’s a constant. It;s no t a science show, it’s not even a TV show, it’s a comic book come to life. If they were anywhere near effective at dealing with zombies, the producers would have to spend a lot of money to make credible threats to the cast, which isn’t going to happen. (think WW Z) ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-12-remember-open-spoilers/713968/184 "2015-03-04T19:08:21Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > So what? I wrote that they’ll never acknowledge the supports, meaning the characters will never mention them in dialogue and they won’t become a plot point. The supports were forced onto the production crew for story-external reasons (probably building codes) but they’re not part of the story. They should simply have shot it so as to exclude or obscure the supports, or used CGI to eliminate them if they felt compelled to get a particular shot. Alternatively, they could have had Abraham discuss with Daryl how naive these people were about erecting their defenses. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-12-remember-open-spoilers/713968/185 "2015-03-04T19:10:47Z")
You have to love how easy it is for a person to climb over the walls. The ones they assured Rick’s group nobody could get through. Alive or zombie. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-12-remember-open-spoilers/713968/186 "2015-03-04T19:32:19Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > You have to love how easy it is for a person to climb over the walls. The ones they assured Rick’s group nobody could get through. Alive or zombie. She didn’t go through it, she went over it. I think Deanne understands that while they’re doing their best, they’ve gotten fairly lucky which is why they need people who’ve survived on the outside to join them. I don’t even mind her son the ROTC guy that much. He’s a dork who really shouldn’t use military jargon the way Abe does, but he’s doing his best and they’ve made it this far. He also made a fair point that if Tara & Glenn had done as they were told, that lone zombie wouldn’t have been a problem. ---
**Author:** ![LurkerInNJ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ed655f/32.png) [@LurkerInNJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LurkerInNJ)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-12-remember-open-spoilers/713968/187 "2015-03-04T20:28:51Z")
SlingTV just added AMC to their lineup so those of you who pay per season or episode may want to look into paying for the SlingTV app at $20 per month. It’s live tv and carries a bunch of good channels. If you prepay for 3 months, you get $50 off an Amazon Fire TV or a free Fire stick. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-12-remember-open-spoilers/713968/188 "2015-03-04T21:18:03Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > They wouldn’t take zombie movies as a reference. > :rolleyes: **Burt Wilson:** I thought you said if we destroyed the brain, it’d die! **Frank:** It worked in the movie! **Burt Wilson:** Well, it ain’t working now, Frank! **Freddy:** You mean the movie _lied?_ :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-12-remember-open-spoilers/713968/189 "2015-03-04T21:25:12Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > They wouldn’t take zombie movies as a reference. > :rolleyes: I guarantee that if I find myself faced with what appears to be zombies I will definitely attempt headshots instead of body shots. If someone is bitten by a zombie I’m going to quarantine them and not be surprised when they turn. Are you saying if you are faced with what appears to be the zombie apocalypse you wont use what you’ve learned from zombie movies as a reference? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-12-remember-open-spoilers/713968/190 "2015-03-04T21:55:16Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > I guarantee that if I find myself faced with what appears to be zombies I will definitely attempt headshots instead of body shots. If someone is bitten by a zombie I’m going to quarantine them and not be surprised when they turn. > > Are you saying if you are faced with what appears to be the zombie apocalypse you wont use what you’ve learned from zombie movies as a reference? The only one I’ve seen is _Night of the Living Dead_, and from that I learned that when real people show up, make damned sure they realize that I am not a zombie. And yes, I will be damned sure to do that. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2015, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-12-remember-open-spoilers/713968/191 "2015-03-05T02:26:21Z")
> [@theR](#): > > People say this all the time, but I actually don’t get it. > > Why is it a necessary conceit that Romero’s or anyone else’s work doesn’t exist? It’s not necessary for vampire movies, werewolf movies, movies with witches, or any other mythical creatures. It’s just for some reason, stories about zombies refuse to use the word. It’s a conceit, but not a necessary one. Because zombies don’t really have a folkloric precedent like those other supernatural creatures you mentioned. Romero basically invented what we now call zombies, and most zombie fiction since then follow his “rules” with a few minor tweaks. The exceptions, most notably the **Return of the Living Dead** series make it a huge plot point that their zombies are different. RoLD even has characters who’ve seen NoLD and show genre savvy, not that it helped (“You mean the movie _lied_!”). ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2015, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-12-remember-open-spoilers/713968/192 "2015-03-05T02:50:15Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > I guarantee that if I find myself faced with what appears to be zombies I will definitely attempt headshots instead of body shots. If someone is bitten by a zombie I’m going to quarantine them and not be surprised when they turn. > > Are you saying if you are faced with what appears to be the zombie apocalypse you wont use what you’ve learned from zombie movies as a reference? No, you do the body shots first. They’re much easier than the head shots, so less likely to be wasteful of ammo. Even if you’re facing a WD type zombie, it’ll be slowed or knocked down, giving you more leisure for a second shot. If the shambler doesn’t go down, you have confirmation of what you’re facing. If it does go down, that too is useful data. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2015, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-12-remember-open-spoilers/713968/193 "2015-03-05T03:16:05Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Because zombies don’t really have a folkloric precedent like those other supernatural creatures you mentioned. Romero basically invented what we now call zombies, and most zombie fiction since then follow his “rules” with a few minor tweaks. The exceptions, most notably the **Return of the Living Dead** series make it a huge plot point that their zombies are different. RoLD even has characters who’ve seen NoLD and show genre savvy, not that it helped (“You mean the movie _lied_!”). How does one kill a Voodoo zombie? I seem to recall James Bond dealing with this problem in one of the Ian Fleming novels. ---
**Author:** ![randwill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a3d4f5/32.png) [@randwill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randwill)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2015, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-12-remember-open-spoilers/713968/194 "2015-03-05T03:17:28Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Because zombies don’t really have a folkloric precedent like those other supernatural creatures you mentioned. Romero basically invented what we now call zombies, and most zombie fiction since then follow his “rules” with a few minor tweaks. The exceptions, most notably the **Return of the Living Dead** series make it a huge plot point that their zombies are different. RoLD even has characters who’ve seen NoLD and show genre savvy, not that it helped (“You mean the movie _lied_!”). Zombies in films certainly predate Romero. “White Zombie” (1932) and “Plague of the Zombies” (1966) off the top of my head. ---
**Author:** ![theR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/977dab/32.png) [@theR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/theR)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2015, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-12-remember-open-spoilers/713968/195 "2015-03-05T03:25:26Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > Because at various points people don’t know to shoot them in the head, think they can be cured, etc. That drama is deflated if they have the entire history of zombie fiction in their knowledge base. So how long did it take them to figure out headshots without knowing? If it was more than one episode (it really should be minutes or hours of time for the characters in their universe), we’re still suspending disbelief in a world where there are phones and TV, let alone Internet. They would figure it out and pass the knowledge very quickly except for a few edge cases like someone waking up from a coma (Rick). Anyone who didn’t figure it out or get told by someone else would be dead pretty quickly. Even in the original Romero movie, TV broadcasts tell them that the zombies can be killed by a bullet or heavy blow to the head. Withholding that information does virtually nothing to deflate the drama, and literally nothing to deflate what is supposed to be the real source of drama, meaning the breakdown of society and what it actually means to be human (in the case of this show). Again, I’m just saying it is not a necessary conceit even if it is a common conceit of zombie stories. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2015, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-12-remember-open-spoilers/713968/196 "2015-03-05T03:57:43Z")
YMMV - I like the world building that doesn’t involve them talking/comparing the current situation to the in-universe entertainment of yesteryear. Do you think the entire plotline of Herschel trying to save the zombies in the barn happens if he’s seen the population of zombie fiction up to that point? I enjoy the discovery through the eyes of the characters. I think it adds value and drama to the show as we watch that play out. Having them know the rich backstory of zombie fiction takes that away. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2015, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-12-remember-open-spoilers/713968/197 "2015-03-05T04:01:28Z")
> [@randwill](#): > > Zombies in films certainly predate Romero. “White Zombie” (1932) and “Plague of the Zombies” (1966) off the top of my head. Both of which involved Voodoo slaves, not the mindless flesh-eating reanimated corpses that usually get associated with the word “zombie” nowadays. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2015, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-12-remember-open-spoilers/713968/198 "2015-03-05T04:25:02Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > How does one kill a Voodoo zombie? I seem to recall James Bond dealing with this problem in one of the Ian Fleming novels. It was _Live and Let Die_. Bond tells Solitaire that he’ll take care of Mr. Big (who has convinced his followers that he is an unkillable zombie) by cutting a cross into the tip of his bullet. Since this would more-or-less make it into a hollow-point, I can see it being effective, albeit with a shorter range and less accuracy. He didn’t get a chance to test it, though. The novel climaxes with a limpet mine that Bond placed on Big’s yacht exploding and Big ending up in the water and eaten by sharks. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2015, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-12-remember-open-spoilers/713968/199 "2015-03-05T04:29:25Z")
> [@MoonMoon](#): > > That scene, when Coral jabbed him through the head with a rebar, rekindled my longtime TWD frustration that no one on this show, besides Michonne (well, and Daryl with his crossbow, I guess), has figured out that up close and personal is a stupid and reckless way to kill walkers. Why grab them by the throat and jab them in the temple with a penknife when you could sharpen a piece of rebar, _or even a stick_, and keep yourself at a distance? They did it while on fence clean-up duty at the prison, so it’s not like it hasn’t occurred to anyone. It bugged me when one of the characters (was it Carol? I seem tor ecall it was Glen) picked up the rebar, handily killed a walker with it, _then tossed the rebar away_. Pole arms, or least melee weapons with a bit of reach to them, are absurdly underused in this show. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2015, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-12-remember-open-spoilers/713968/200 "2015-03-05T04:43:17Z")
> [@randwill](#): > > Zombies in films certainly predate Romero. “White Zombie” (1932) and “Plague of the Zombies” (1966) off the top of my head. Those are mind-controlled living beings, not barely sentient cannibalistic revenants. Romero changed the connotation of zombie. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-12-remember-open-spoilers/713968.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-12-remember-open-spoilers/713968.md?page=11)