# The Walking Dead; 5.12 "Remember" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 2, 2015, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-12-remember-open-spoilers/713968 "2015-03-02T00:48:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-12-remember-open-spoilers/713968/161 "2015-03-04T14:51:09Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > That’s just what they want you to think! hehheh. Ooooh- you’re right! ---
**Author:** ![Soylent\_Juicy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/82dd89/32.png) [@Soylent\_Juicy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Soylent_Juicy)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-12-remember-open-spoilers/713968/162 "2015-03-04T15:10:15Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > I see conflict between Rick & Daryl. My first thought is that it’s because for a long time now Daryl has been Rick’s “second in command”. Now this lady has appointed Rick the Constable and Michonne his assistant …where does that leave Daryl? What is his purpose now? > [@marshmallow](#): > > Carol could’ve said she’s good at dealing with problem children. AH HAH HAH HAH!! I think it’s interesting how each group of survivors has a different name for the zombies. “Walkers”, “Biters”, “Roamers”. ---
**Author:** ![randwill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a3d4f5/32.png) [@randwill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randwill)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-12-remember-open-spoilers/713968/163 "2015-03-04T15:14:52Z")
> [@Soylent\_Juicy](#): > > I think it’s interesting how each group of survivors has a different name for the zombies. “Walkers”, “Biters”, “Roamers”. I find that distracting. Why does the word “zombie” not exist in this world? ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-12-remember-open-spoilers/713968/164 "2015-03-04T15:18:50Z")
> [@randwill](#): > > I find that distracting. Why does the word “zombie” not exist in this world? I’m sure it exists in terms of voodoo, but not in the sense of an undead shambling cannibal. It’s a necessary part of the show’s conceit that George Romero never made his Living Dead movies, nor anyone else. Similarly, all Superman and Batman movies exist in a world without DC Comics; Elementary and Sherlock both exist in worlds in which Arthur Conan Doyle never wrote detective fiction; etc. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-12-remember-open-spoilers/713968/165 "2015-03-04T15:36:19Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > So what? I wrote that they’ll never acknowledge the supports, meaning the characters will never mention them in dialogue and they won’t become a plot point. The supports were forced onto the production crew for story-external reasons (probably building codes) but they’re not part of the story. The story line has already introduced the supports. I have no idea if the writers will ignore the supports, or make them part of the story - in the future. Are you in possession of some inside information as to how the plot will unfold, or are these your best-guess opinions? Nothing personal, I’m just curious. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-12-remember-open-spoilers/713968/166 "2015-03-04T15:42:12Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > When the camera first pans over the group all in one house, they show two people looking out the windows while the rest of the group is laying down of sorts. I assume that was to show they were setting watch. No need to show it again if that’s the case. No, because when Rick gets up in the middle of the night, there is no one on watch. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-12-remember-open-spoilers/713968/167 "2015-03-04T15:46:43Z")
> [@Mean\_Mr.Mustard](#): > > …When Rick saw Carl outside the walls, why didn’t he say, “What the hell are you doing here?” He acted like Carl had left the town with him. He may have. The show is edited for time, and to advance the plot. Rick and Carl’s conversation probably had a lower priority than Rick’s prolonged shaving scene. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-12-remember-open-spoilers/713968/168 "2015-03-04T15:50:36Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > No, because when Rick gets up in the middle of the night, there is no one on watch. No one on watch inside the house. (But I’m not going to count the sleeping bodies on the floor to see if they’re all present.) ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-12-remember-open-spoilers/713968/169 "2015-03-04T16:22:37Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > No, because when Rick gets up in the middle of the night, there is no one on watch. I didn’t notice if they showed everyone sleeping when Rick left, or if they showed the same window that Abraham was watching previously. I took it to mean they had people on watch still. If they did show it, it would have advanced the idea that they were skeptical and still on guard though which I think would have made the episode even tighter. Missed opportunity I guess but I just assumed there were folks on watch. ---
**Author:** ![Shakester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shakester/32/437_2.png) [@Shakester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shakester)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-12-remember-open-spoilers/713968/170 "2015-03-04T16:37:55Z")
> [@Mean\_Mr.Mustard](#): > > When Rick saw Carl outside the walls, why didn’t he say, “What the hell are you doing here?” He acted like Carl had left the town with him. I thought that was very realistic: in a dangerous situation, you deal with the danger first and ask questions later. Any survivor knows that. ---
**Author:** ![SmellMyWort](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea5d25/32.png) [@SmellMyWort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmellMyWort)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-12-remember-open-spoilers/713968/171 "2015-03-04T16:42:53Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > i thought i saw enid wearing an owl necklace. it was in the scene where they came back from the “run” and she slipped in after rick and carl. Yeah, what’s with the owl stuff? The necklace, the statue, and the haircut lady had an owl tattoo on her arm. ---
**Author:** ![theR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/977dab/32.png) [@theR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/theR)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-12-remember-open-spoilers/713968/172 "2015-03-04T16:49:55Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > I’m sure it exists in terms of voodoo, but not in the sense of an undead shambling cannibal. It’s a necessary part of the show’s conceit that George Romero never made his Living Dead movies, nor anyone else. Similarly, all Superman and Batman movies exist in a world without DC Comics; Elementary and Sherlock both exist in worlds in which Arthur Conan Doyle never wrote detective fiction; etc. People say this all the time, but I actually don’t get it. Why is it a necessary conceit that Romero’s or anyone else’s work doesn’t exist? It’s not necessary for vampire movies, werewolf movies, movies with witches, or any other mythical creatures. It’s just for some reason, stories about zombies refuse to use the word. It’s a conceit, but not a necessary one. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-12-remember-open-spoilers/713968/173 "2015-03-04T16:53:59Z")
Because at various points people don’t know to shoot them in the head, think they can be cured, etc. That drama is deflated if they have the entire history of zombie fiction in their knowledge base. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-12-remember-open-spoilers/713968/174 "2015-03-04T17:11:17Z")
> [@SmellMyWort](#): > > Yeah, what’s with the owl stuff? The necklace, the statue, and the haircut lady had an owl tattoo on her arm. I noticed too. It really should mean something. What are owls known for? Wisdom? Watchfulness? Silent killing? Haircut girl is just really into owl artwork and everybody’s got something with an owl on it by now? Maybe everyone has an art project, which would explain Aaron’s old-fashioned film developing when they’ve got video cameras. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-12-remember-open-spoilers/713968/175 "2015-03-04T17:12:14Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > Because at various points people don’t know to shoot them in the head, think they can be cured, etc. That drama is deflated if they have the entire history of zombie fiction in their knowledge base. They wouldn’t take zombie movies as a reference. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-12-remember-open-spoilers/713968/176 "2015-03-04T17:13:32Z")
> [@Shakester](#): > > I thought that was very realistic: in a dangerous situation, you deal with the danger first and ask questions later. Any survivor knows that. This is true. But what’s with “Dad! Howcome you get all the fun? Let me whack him!” ? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-12-remember-open-spoilers/713968/177 "2015-03-04T17:19:46Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > This is true. > > But what’s with “Dad! Howcome you get all the fun? Let me whack him!” ? He doesn’t want to become “weak” like the Alexandrians. ---
**Author:** ![MoonMoon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moonmoon/32/2959_2.png) [@MoonMoon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MoonMoon)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-12-remember-open-spoilers/713968/178 "2015-03-04T17:19:52Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > This is true. > > But what’s with “Dad! Howcome you get all the fun? Let me whack him!” ? That scene, when Coral jabbed him through the head with a rebar, rekindled my longtime TWD frustration that no one on this show, besides Michonne (well, and Daryl with his crossbow, I guess), has figured out that up close and personal is a stupid and reckless way to kill walkers. Why grab them by the throat and jab them in the temple with a penknife when you could sharpen a piece of rebar, _or even a stick_, and keep yourself at a distance? They did it while on fence clean-up duty at the prison, so it’s not like it hasn’t occurred to anyone. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-12-remember-open-spoilers/713968/179 "2015-03-04T17:38:43Z")
Poetic license. It looks cool to get close up. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![MacTech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MacTech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacTech)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2015, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-12-remember-open-spoilers/713968/180 "2015-03-04T17:54:58Z")
> [@MoonMoon](#): > > That scene, when Coral jabbed him through the head with a rebar, rekindled my longtime TWD frustration that no one on this show, besides Michonne (well, and Daryl with his crossbow, I guess), has figured out that up close and personal is a stupid and reckless way to kill walkers. Why grab them by the throat and jab them in the temple with a penknife when you could sharpen a piece of rebar, _or even a stick_, and keep yourself at a distance? They did it while on fence clean-up duty at the prison, so it’s not like it hasn’t occurred to anyone. Why a (pointed) stick? Maybe they were out of Fresh Fruit… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-12-remember-open-spoilers/713968.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-12-remember-open-spoilers/713968.md?page=10)