# The Walking Dead: 5.13 "Forget" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 9, 2015, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563 "2015-03-09T00:18:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Jack\_of\_Words](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f6c823/32.png) [@Jack\_of\_Words](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_of_Words)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2015, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563/81 "2015-03-09T19:49:27Z")
> [@Spoke](#): > > The crossbow has always struck me as an odd weapon choice. Cumbersome to carry and slow to reload (which makes it next to useless in a herd attack). There are plenty of guns around. The crossbow seems more of a stylistic choice than a practical one. > > Now eventually, when all the ammo runs out, yeah, it would be good to have. But for now? Just weird. It’s quiet, which is useful anyway when noise draws zombies. It’s doubly useful to a hunter, for the same reason. Have we seen Daryll cope admirably with a knife against a group? I’m sure he could, even if we haven’t. I expect he’d just go round a herd, though. If the group have to go through one, he’s worth getting ‘carried’ (if anyone dared call it that). ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2015, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563/82 "2015-03-09T19:50:29Z")
> [@theR](#): > > It’s not as loud as firearms, either. Fair point. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2015, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563/83 "2015-03-09T19:50:57Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > And have no awareness of the threat so must have been blind terror and no means to plan to protect itself. I thought it could have been slightly Daryl’s fault. Aaron said he always runs, but after Daryl horse whispered him he may have become more trusting, which allowed the zombies to corner him. No? I also expected Daryl to starve carving our some stakes, but maybe the meat was contaminated, assuming that’s how it works. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2015, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563/84 "2015-03-09T19:52:35Z")
> [@Jack\_of\_Words](#): > > It’s quiet, which is useful anyway when noise draws zombies. It’s doubly useful to a hunter, for the same reason. Have we seen Daryll cope admirably with a knife against a group? I’m sure he could, even if we haven’t. I expect he’d just go round a herd, though. If the group have to go through one, he’s worth getting ‘carried’ (if anyone dared call it that). Again, fair point, but shouldn’t he at least have a sidearm as a second weapon for herd situations? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2015, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563/85 "2015-03-09T19:54:51Z")
I should think a .22 semi auto carbine and a back pack full of .22 shorts would be a relatively quiet zombie killer. ---
**Author:** ![theR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/977dab/32.png) [@theR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/theR)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2015, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563/86 "2015-03-09T19:57:13Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > So Carol made a mistake. People do that. She seemed to make the decision to shoot that walker in the spot – certainly she hadn’t discussed it with Daryl and Rick first – so it seems reasonable to me that she went overboard in the moment and might later have regretted it. > > All you people who insist on realism (as if it were the only virtue fiction can have) seem to me, all too often, to also want an UNREALISTIC degree of cleverness and preparedness in the characters. Even the smartest of us make mistakes, some big and some small. I don’t know why there is an argument on this point. After Carol shot the zombie, she told her group that she had to expend the ammo to match her cover story of leaving Alexandria to go for target practice. I believe the way it was phrased and by the way the scene was set up that it was Daryl who left the compound with her to supposedly help her practice. Remember, she would have had to check out the weapon because this was before they stole the handguns. I may have some details a little off since I didn’t re-watch it, but I’m certain she said she had to take all those shots as part of her cover for leaving the compound. ---
**Author:** ![theR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/977dab/32.png) [@theR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/theR)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2015, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563/87 "2015-03-09T20:00:04Z")
> [@Spoke](#): > > Fair point. Thanks for fixing that typo. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![duality72](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duality72/32/3910_2.png) [@duality72](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duality72)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2015, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563/88 "2015-03-09T20:19:07Z")
> [@MacTech](#): > > When the walkers swarm Buttons the Horse, pay attention to the walker on the horse’s head, he’s clearly gently guiding the head to the ground so the horse doesn’t get hurt, it took me out of the moment > > Since my mother and sister run a boarding stable, little details like that stand out to me that someone not as familiar with horses would miss > > Obviously they didn’t want to injure the horse on set, but it was a little too obvious head-wrangling… I thought that whole scene was pretty lame. Surrounded by walking mounds of rotting flesh, a horse just stands there and then gently lays down while being attacked? Yeah, no. Expect lots of kicking, swinging weight around, and trampling to ensue. Even if it did go down, it would put up way more of a fight. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2015, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563/89 "2015-03-09T20:19:13Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > I don’t think grabbing the chocolate was a mistake, it was her cover for being there. Not closing a window behind you when sneaking into an armory was the big mistake But, we got to see and hear what can happen when you are out there too long … ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2015, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563/90 "2015-03-09T20:20:21Z")
> [@duality72](#): > > Even if it did go down, it would put up way more of a fight. I thought the same thing when Rick lost the horse in Atlanta. But realistic horse scenes are expensive. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2015, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563/91 "2015-03-09T20:20:51Z")
> [@randwill](#): > > … Darryl looks like a likely season-ending casualty because there is some humanizing of him in this episode and Norman Reedus is a guest on the last “Talking…” this season I would be very surprised if AMC would kill off that character–one they own outright (as opposed to those partially owned by comics creator Robert Kirkman), and one that sells tons of merchandise for them. > [@levdrakon](#): > > …Leaving her with Rick almost seemed like Jessie is supposed to seduce Rick or something. … Yes, I believe this to be the storyline. (Based on pure speculation; I don’t read the comics.) Rick’s group was targeted by Deanna through her agent Aaron partly because she knows her son Aiden is a lousy leader, and some counterweight or possible correction for his hot-headed destructiveness will be provided by Rick’s more competent crew. But the group was also targeted, I believe, because of the existence of Judith. The Alexandria group has been there for two years or so, eating well and living relatively free of stress, and it includes several women of childbearing age. Yet (as we’ve been told explicitly) _there are no babies or toddlers_. My guess is that Deanna speculates that Rick might have, through some accident, sperm that works. Maybe because he was in a coma for some period after the unnamed Zombifying Event, that could actually be true (though of course Deanna doesn’t yet know the details of Rick’s life that might account for his being able to sire children). Jessie has been offered up as first broodmare, to see what happens. If she catches, then Rick will be asked to service the other ladies. ---
**Author:** ![tapu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@tapu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tapu)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2015, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563/92 "2015-03-09T20:32:26Z")
> [@Latimera](#): > > Or that the company was required to put the struts outside the wall and the writers have no choice but to work around it. That’s not how it works in high-budget television/movies (and this is VERY high-budget). If there is some dumb ordinance they can’t get around, they just shoot a mock set or use special effects or whatever to get it exactly the way they want it on screen. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2015, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563/93 "2015-03-09T20:37:12Z")
> [@theR](#): > > I don’t know why there is an argument on this point. After Carol shot the zombie, she told her group that she had to expend the ammo to match her cover story of leaving Alexandria to go for target practice. I believe the way it was phrased and by the way the scene was set up that it was Daryl who left the compound with her to supposedly help her practice. Remember, she would have had to check out the weapon because this was before they stole the handguns. > > I may have some details a little off since I didn’t re-watch it, but I’m certain she said she had to take all those shots as part of her cover for leaving the compound. They obviously weren’t planning to encounter a zombie; not only are such things unpredictable, but Rick and Daryl were surprised she took so many attempts to get a headshot. Seemed like a spur-of-the moment decision to me. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2015, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563/94 "2015-03-09T20:44:53Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Yes, I believe this to be the storyline. (Based on pure speculation; I don’t read the comics.) > > Rick’s group was targeted by Deanna through her agent Aaron partly because she knows her son Aiden is a lousy leader, and some counterweight or possible correction for his hot-headed destructiveness will be provided by Rick’s more competent crew. > > But the group was also targeted, I believe, because of the existence of Judith. > > The Alexandria group has been there for two years or so, eating well and living relatively free of stress, and it includes several women of childbearing age. > > Yet (as we’ve been told explicitly) _there are no babies or toddlers_. > > My guess is that Deanna speculates that Rick might have, through some accident, sperm that works. Maybe because he was in a coma for some period after the unnamed Zombifying Event, that could actually be true (though of course Deanna doesn’t yet know the details of Rick’s life that might account for his being able to sire children). > > Jessie has been offered up as first broodmare, to see what happens. If she catches, then Rick will be asked to service the other ladies. Getting Rick to sire another kid would also be a great way to bond him to the community. Judith is bad enough, but dragging two kids through the ZA would be nuts. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2015, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563/95 "2015-03-09T20:53:07Z")
> [@theR](#): > > I don’t know why there is an argument on this point. After Carol shot the zombie, she told her group that she had to expend the ammo to match her cover story of leaving Alexandria to go for target practice. I believe the way it was phrased and by the way the scene was set up that it was Daryl who left the compound with her to supposedly help her practice. Remember, she would have had to check out the weapon because this was before they stole the handguns. > > I may have some details a little off since I didn’t re-watch it, but I’m certain she said she had to take all those shots as part of her cover for leaving the compound. If ammo was scarce, she could have just pocketed the unspent rounds and her story is exactly the same. No need to waste the ammo. > [@levdrakon](#): > > I thought it could have been slightly Daryl’s fault. Aaron said he always runs, but after Daryl horse whispered him he may have become more trusting, which allowed the zombies to corner him. I saw this as a pretty obvious metaphor. Daryl is the horse. The message is if he keeps running he’ll get caught and die eventually. Come in and be domesticated and you’ll be cared for. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2015, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563/96 "2015-03-09T21:01:28Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > I saw this as a pretty obvious metaphor. Daryl is the horse. The message is if he keeps running he’ll get caught and die eventually. Come in and be domesticated and you’ll be cared for. I thought the moral was “if you spend too much time out in the wild, you revert to what you really are.” IOW, allowing yourself to be domesticated will be the death of you, like the horse. Or something. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2015, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563/97 "2015-03-09T21:03:14Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > I saw this as a pretty obvious metaphor. Daryl is the horse. The message is if he keeps running he’ll get caught and die eventually. Come in and be domesticated and you’ll be cared for. This. I thought the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2015, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563/98 "2015-03-09T21:33:56Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Getting Rick to sire another kid would also be a great way to bond him to the community. Judith is bad enough, but dragging two kids through the ZA would be nuts. Children are not an burden to Rick. They’re reason to continue. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2015, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563/99 "2015-03-09T22:02:17Z")
There’s two seasons of The Walking Dead spin-off on the way > **[There's two seasons of The Walking Dead spin-off on the way](https://www.theverge.com/2015/3/9/8177023/walking-dead-spin-off-series-amc)** > > The Verge is about technology and how it makes us feel. Founded in 2011, we offer our audience everything from breaking news to reviews to award-winning features and investigations, on our site, in video, and in podcasts. > [@](#): > > The Walking Dead’s spin-off will premiere later this year with just six episodes, with the second season to debut in 2016. It’s a prequel of sorts, about the early outbreak and collapse, in the LA area. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2015, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563/100 "2015-03-09T23:22:48Z")
> [@tapu](#): > > That’s not how it works in high-budget television/movies (and this is VERY high-budget). If there is some dumb ordinance they can’t get around, they just shoot a mock set or use special effects or whatever to get it exactly the way they want it on screen. Actually they have specifically said the struts are outside because they film in a real neighborhood and couldn’t build them in peoples property. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563.md?page=6)