# The Walking Dead: 5.13 "Forget" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 9, 2015, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563 "2015-03-09T00:18:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2015, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563/101 "2015-03-09T23:41:19Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > I saw this as a pretty obvious metaphor. Daryl is the horse. The message is if he keeps running he’ll get caught and die eventually. Come in and be domesticated and you’ll be cared for. And then your former buddies will watch you from a distance and note your vacant eyes and blank expression… ---
**Author:** ![tapu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@tapu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tapu)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2015, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563/102 "2015-03-10T00:09:05Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Actually they have specifically said the struts are outside because they film in a real neighborhood and couldn’t build them in peoples property. Source? ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2015, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563/103 "2015-03-10T00:26:59Z")
> [@tapu](#): > > Source? Talking Dead aftershow interviews with the crew. ---
**Author:** ![MacTech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MacTech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacTech)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2015, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563/104 "2015-03-10T00:34:13Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I should think a .22 semi auto carbine and a back pack full of .22 shorts would be a relatively quiet zombie killer. Even better, a [CZ 452 Ultra Lux](http://cz-usa.com/product/cz-452-ultra-lux-22-lr-28-bbl-beech-10-rd-mag/), it has a 28.5" barrel, if you shoot subsonic .22 ammo, you _almost_ don’t need hearing protection, shoot a specially designed quiet round like a Remington CBee, or CCI Quiet, and you _wont_ need hearing protection at all, it’s literally “click-thump”, and with the rotten cantaloupe consistency of walker skulls, even the quiet rounds should have enough power to enter the skull, bounce around and turn the brain matter to mush. Standard velocity .22 is under 1075 FPS, probably closer to 1000 from an UL barrel due to friction after 16" (16-18" is optimal length for .22LR), high velocity is 1100 to mid 1200 FPS, quiet rounds are 765 to 710 FPS. of course, another good option is a Ruger 10/22 with a hicap mag (25 rounds or more), if a suppressor is available, even better, it’s just the Ultra Lux is naturally quieter due to barrel length. I own one, it’s one of my favorite Rimfires because it’s so unique, in a world of short barrel carbines, the CZUL stands proud and tall (literally 😉 ) As an added advantage, even in close combat, the UL would keep the walkers at least a foot further away than with a shorter barrel… ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2015, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563/105 "2015-03-10T01:09:08Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > \ > > Rick’s group was targeted by Deanna through her agent Aaron partly because she knows her son Aiden is a lousy leader, and some counterweight or possible correction for his hot-headed destructiveness will be provided by Rick’s more competent crew. > > But the group was also targeted, I believe, because of the existence of Judith. > > The Alexandria group has been there for two years or so, eating well and living relatively free of stress, and it includes several women of childbearing age. > > Yet (as we’ve been told explicitly) _there are no babies or toddlers_. > > My guess is that Deanna speculates that Rick might have, through some accident, sperm that works. Maybe because he was in a coma for some period after the unnamed Zombifying Event, that could actually be true (though of course Deanna doesn’t yet know the details of Rick’s life that might account for his being able to sire children). > > Jessie has been offered up as first broodmare, to see what happens. If she catches, then Rick will be asked to service the other ladies. That’s a fascinating idea. In the two years since the ZA started, there definitely should have been babies born by now. It also explains why Porch Dick (Jessie’s husband) is all over the place in his interactions with Rick. I also wanted to point out Rick’s response when he saw Jessie and Porch Dick (PD) walking along the street the next day - his hand went to his gun while he was looking at PD walking along with Jessie. Oh, Rick - what the hell was _that_? > [@Bone](#): > > If ammo was scarce, she could have just pocketed the unspent rounds and her story is exactly the same. No need to waste the ammo.\ Good point. I think Carol, Daryl and Rick are brewing something, but I’m getting less sure it’s something worth brewing. Carol just may be as crazy as Rick thought she was when he first banished her. > [@levdrakon](#): > > There’s two seasons of The Walking Dead spin-off on the way > > [There's two seasons of The Walking Dead spin-off on the way - The Verge](http://www.theverge.com/2015/3/9/8177023/walking-dead-spin-off-series-amc) > > It’s a prequel of sorts, about the early outbreak and collapse, in the LA area. Yay! That’s the stuff I’m really interested in! Not aiming at anyone in particular, but can we stop talking about the Goddamned wall struts already? They’re there, they’re staying there, let’s move on. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2015, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563/106 "2015-03-10T01:10:13Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > …I think I disagree. It’s a fair assumption that at this point – 2 years in – any new recruits will be in a similar state as Rick’s group. I’m thinking Rick’s group would have been able to relate to a Daryl type way better than they would the polite, joke-cracking, clean, freshly groomed Aaron. Good point, as was pointed out they still have Aaron has a backup if observations suggest they’d be more receptive to him. > [@doorhinge](#): > > …Domesticated animals might not have survived this long. Dairy cows aren’t going to milk themselves and will die from not being milked. Horses, bison, wolves, badgers, mink, deer, owls, eagles, robins, etc., that are allowed to roam free will survive long after every human has turned zombie. One of the most upsetting things I’ve ever seen in a zombie movie was that scene in **Return of the Living Dead II** when the pet store get’s attacked. It was even that graphic. I agree it’s a completely irrational feeling. > [@John\_Mace](#): > > Didn’t Carol say something to the effect that she didn’t want to return with having fried only 1 bullet lest the Homies think she is a crack shot? She did, but there was no need to actually waste the bullets. Nobody in Alexandrian is going check that thoroughly. > [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I last recall seeing him at the Church. The church is only a short drive outside of Atlanta. > [@Latimera](#): > > Or that the company was required to put the struts outside the wall and the writers have no choice but to work around it. It would’ve been trivial for the producers to just CGI the struts onto the other side, or just ignore them completely. Instead they had Rick mention in dialogue how easy it would be for someone to climb up them. Granted that could just be a red herring, but to me it strongly suggest that the backwards design is going to be come a plot point. Either some who should be getting in is going to use them to sneak in, or one of the wall segments is going to get pulled down. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2015, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563/107 "2015-03-10T02:20:49Z")
Yeah, well the walls were also described as “slabs of solid steel”, so literary licence and all that. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2015, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563/108 "2015-03-10T02:33:00Z")
Supports or not, it wouldn’t take much to drive a car through a wall. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2015, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563/109 "2015-03-10T02:33:49Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Actually they have specifically said the struts are outside because they film in a real neighborhood and couldn’t build them in peoples property. I saw that segment, with production designer Grace Walker. He talked about how the things they build in the neighborhood, like the exteriors of the two houses our gang occupy, have to adhere to codes. I don’t remember him saying anything about the supports for the walls. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2015, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563/110 "2015-03-10T02:36:32Z")
They probably built the wall to keep out walkers. Now they’re beginning to worry about the eventual human threat, which they may have already invited in. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2015, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563/111 "2015-03-10T03:43:54Z")
I’m almost surprised Rick would even care about walls and supports or any of that. If it were me, I’d still be shell-shocked that someone rolled up on my fortified stronghold and blew it to pieces with a friggin’ TANK. That almost qualifies as a gunpowder = armor is useless moment. ---
**Author:** ![Critical1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@Critical1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Critical1)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2015, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563/112 "2015-03-10T05:55:18Z")
One thing made me wonder wtf, Why did Rick reach for his secret gun when hes carrying his other gun in a friggin holster? pretty good ep otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2015, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563/113 "2015-03-10T06:29:33Z")
> [@Critical1](#): > > One thing made me wonder wtf, Why did Rick reach for his secret gun when hes carrying his other gun in a friggin holster? > > pretty good ep otherwise. That did seem odd. Especially since no one in Alexandria is supposed to know that Rick has a backup gun. I assume that the writers were trying to highlight some point in the relationship between Rick and Jesse and Pete (Alexandria’s surgeon and Jesse’s husband) but there should have been some other way to make the same point without Rick exposing his hideout. ---
**Author:** ![grude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2015, 7:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563/114 "2015-03-10T07:43:20Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > Yeah, well the walls were also described as “slabs of solid steel”, so literary licence and all that. Hah yea if by that they meant galvanized roofing. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2015, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563/115 "2015-03-10T11:23:51Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > I would be very surprised if AMC would kill off that character–one they own outright (as opposed to those partially owned by comics creator Robert Kirkman), and one that sells tons of merchandise for them. > > Yes, I believe this to be the storyline. (Based on pure speculation; I don’t read the comics.) > > Rick’s group was targeted by Deanna through her agent Aaron partly because she knows her son Aiden is a lousy leader, and some counterweight or possible correction for his hot-headed destructiveness will be provided by Rick’s more competent crew. > > But the group was also targeted, I believe, because of the existence of Judith. > > The Alexandria group has been there for two years or so, eating well and living relatively free of stress, and it includes several women of childbearing age. > > Yet (as we’ve been told explicitly) _there are no babies or toddlers_. > > My guess is that Deanna speculates that Rick might have, through some accident, sperm that works. Maybe because he was in a coma for some period after the unnamed Zombifying Event, that could actually be true (though of course Deanna doesn’t yet know the details of Rick’s life that might account for his being able to sire children). > > Jessie has been offered up as first broodmare, to see what happens. If she catches, then Rick will be asked to service the other ladies. FWIW the comics wouldn’t be much help since Alexandria was set up differently there. The show is going in a different direction most likely. Your theory is interesting since it does explain why there are no babies but if it were true the joke would be on them since Judith’s father died long ago. ---
**Author:** ![Algernon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a183cd/32.png) [@Algernon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algernon)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2015, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563/116 "2015-03-10T14:07:02Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > Your theory is interesting since it does explain why there are no babies but if it were true the joke would be on them since Judith’s father died long ago. Was it confirmed that Judith is Shane’s child, not Rick’s? Sorry about the stupid question, but I barely recall the most recent episode, much less a plot point from many seasons ago. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2015, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563/117 "2015-03-10T14:25:58Z")
I’m not sure I’ll be able to stand the slow-motion suspense of watching them gradually fuck this up. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2015, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563/118 "2015-03-10T14:43:15Z")
Slow motion? What Carol already did is some major fucking up. Unless it ends up saving the kids life, then it will be OK ---
**Author:** ![SmellMyWort](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea5d25/32.png) [@SmellMyWort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmellMyWort)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2015, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563/119 "2015-03-10T14:58:29Z")
> [@Algernon](#): > > Was it confirmed that Judith is Shane’s child, not Rick’s? > > Sorry about the stupid question, but I barely recall the most recent episode, much less a plot point from many seasons ago. It is not a stupid question. It hasn’t been revealed in the show. I don’t know if Quimby is speculating or purposely spoiling something from the comics. ---
**Author:** ![tapu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@tapu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tapu)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2015, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563/120 "2015-03-10T15:34:44Z")
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