# The Walking Dead: 5.13 "Forget" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 9, 2015, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563 "2015-03-09T00:18:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2015, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563/141 "2015-03-10T22:27:33Z")
Ron Moore did the same thing in Battlestar Galactica. Let’s have the character do something cool. Because it’s cool! But will the writers remember it later on? Is it really part of the character? Was it just cool that one time? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2015, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563/142 "2015-03-11T00:24:11Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Thinking long term, let’s say they integrate and spent years (lol) with this community. That threat to the kid will be sitting there, festering, the whole time. The kid is Zombie bait. He ain’t gonna last “long term”. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2015, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563/143 "2015-03-11T00:40:33Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > I want Rick to have a conversation with Janeway that says something to the affect of “You are in control because I allow it.” And I hope she smacks him down because she’s feisty and smart and I like her. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2015, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563/144 "2015-03-11T00:44:04Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > I want Rick to have a conversation with Janeway that says something to the affect of “You are in control because I allow it.” And then he can rape her, completing his transformation to a villain not unlike the Claimers, or the mauraders who ruined Terminus. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2015, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563/145 "2015-03-11T00:44:37Z")
Maybe Carol could start an Alexandria Chapter of PFLAG. Daryl is going to need a support group! ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2015, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563/146 "2015-03-11T00:47:07Z")
No, no! Daryl needs to start that group! ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2015, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563/147 "2015-03-11T01:29:50Z")
> [@Edward\_The\_Head](#): > > Have they show the Alexandrians growing food, or raising chickens or anything like that? Yeah, I get there are a lot of stores in the area and flour is probably good for years, but I’ve known people who raise chickens and I can’t imagine it’s that difficult, an easy way to get fresh eggs and meat, and a far smaller plot of land for chickens over cows. They must have some place for animals if Daryl was going to bring a horse back. I don’t recall seeing any gardens or fields, but Barista-turned-Shopkeeper mentioned she does a lot of canning & pickling in addition to smoking her own meats so presumably they’re something. I doubt they’re subsisting entirely on scavenged canned goods. Those former hobbies of her’s now make her one of the more valuable Alexandrians. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2015, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563/148 "2015-03-11T03:50:03Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > And then he can rape her, completing his transformation to a villain not unlike the Claimers, or the mauraders who ruined Terminus. Raping or mindless violence would be out of line but they’ve already stolen guns, supplies, and have declared they are willing to take over the compound. If Janeway told them they had to leave do you really think they would? I don’t. And that’s what it means. They’ll play nice but when push come to shove my money is on team Grimes. Does that make him a villan? Maybe. Not nearly on part with the claimers or the cannibals at Terminus. And besides it would still be entertaining to watch the decent. Not exactly Walter White but agression in defense or support of family seems defensible. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2015, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563/149 "2015-03-11T05:28:48Z")
> [@Algernon](#): > > Was it confirmed that Judith is Shane’s child, not Rick’s? > > Sorry about the stupid question, but I barely recall the most recent episode, much less a plot point from many seasons ago. If they’re planning to make the lack of babies a plot point (and I don’t see why they wouldn’t), I think it will become clear at that point. > [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I’m not sure I’ll be able to stand the slow-motion suspense of watching them gradually fuck this up. Well, they kind of have to - the show would REALLY get boring if they find a nice place to live with nice people and they all live happily ever after. 🙂 > [@John\_Mace](#): > > \ > And I think “Janeway” is perfect for Deanna. She irritates me for the exact same reason Janeway did. Her aggressive optimism and know-it-all attitude is very off putting. She needs to calm down a bit and step back. Janeway always irritated me, too, for the same reasons. (Janeway also irritated me because Kate Mulgrew always looked like she was _acting_ on that show - at least Tovah Feldshuh is a better actor). I think the Carol scene was kind of ham-handed, too - as others have said, she’s much, much better than that at being a bad-ass. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2015, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563/150 "2015-03-11T05:35:17Z")
The problem with the “take-over” scenario… the only people who would actively support a Grimes uprising are Carol and Rick. Not even Daryl would support it at this point if it meant hurting people–he’s already showed that he’ll side against Rick when Rick chooses to go bloody. Maybe Sascha would support it but she’s awfully fragile right now. The other members of our group may see the Alexandrians as soft, but that’s not a killing offense and an active take-over would probably lead to blood. ---
**Author:** ![BubbaDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bubbadog/32/333_2.png) [@BubbaDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BubbaDog)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2015, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563/151 "2015-03-11T13:37:17Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > … > Janeway always irritated me, too, for the same reasons. (Janeway also irritated me because Kate Mulgrew always looked like she was _acting_ on that show - at least Tovah Feldshuh is a better actor)… I couldn’t get past her chipmunk sounding voice to notice the acting. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2015, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563/152 "2015-03-11T13:55:09Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > I loved how Janeway would stomp right up to an alien twice her size and give 'em what for. Smart, strong, good at poker - what more do you want? Plop a couple of raisins in Captain Janeway’s beloved coffee when she isn’t looking, and ask her if the ship has a problem with rats. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2015, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563/153 "2015-03-11T14:52:25Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > The problem with the “take-over” scenario… the only people who would actively support a Grimes uprising are Carol and Rick. Not even Daryl would support it at this point if it meant hurting people–he’s already showed that he’ll side against Rick when Rick chooses to go bloody. > Maybe Sascha would support it but she’s awfully fragile right now. I asked this earlier… what is the deal with Sascha? Did she decide to leave and go on her own? I didn’t understand what her plan was when Janeway let her out of the gate. Was it a farewell scene, or was she going out hunting or more target practice? ---
**Author:** ![randwill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a3d4f5/32.png) [@randwill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randwill)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2015, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563/154 "2015-03-11T15:16:26Z")
Have they always been able to use the word ‘shit’ on the show? For some reason I noticed it this week. It seems odd because they censor the occasional curse word that slips during the conversation on Talking Dead. Odd because the Walking episodes go into syndication where presumably the curse words would need to be censored or re-dubbed, but Talking is not in syndication, as far as I know. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2015, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563/155 "2015-03-11T15:49:50Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > The problem with the “take-over” scenario… the only people who would actively support a Grimes uprising are Carol and Rick. Not even Daryl would support it at this point if it meant hurting people–he’s already showed that he’ll side against Rick when Rick chooses to go bloody. > Maybe Sascha would support it but she’s awfully fragile right now. > The other members of our group may see the Alexandrians as soft, but that’s not a killing offense and an active take-over would probably lead to blood. It can’t be an outright takeover because as you say the rest of the group would not go along and we can’t have our main folks become true villains. I could see a takeover playing out if the current residents of Alexandria do something to provoke the group forcing them to respond. Perhaps they react disproportionately to a violation of rules, they act dangerously stupid, one of Team Grimes is caught doing something (like stealing chocolate) and they need to rally to the defense. In those cases, I could see the Rictatorship playing out pretty quickly. Janeway: “Carol - you’re under arrest for stealing chocolate. Rick, arrest her.” Rick: No. Janeway: [some other lackey] You arrest her. Rick: I’m not going to let you arrest her today. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2015, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563/156 "2015-03-11T17:57:31Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I asked this earlier… what is the deal with Sascha? Did she decide to leave and go on her own? I didn’t understand what her plan was when Janeway let her out of the gate. Was it a farewell scene, or was she going out hunting or more target practice? I assumed Sasha was simply going walk about and Deanna was bring her ammo (which has to be checked out), and maybe have a little chat. She wouldn’t leave Rick’s group, her family, without saying goodbye. She’s recently lost her brother Tyreese, and bestest buddy Bob. As a former firefighter, I assume the character prefers a family-style environment over going it alone (Daryl-style). ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2015, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563/157 "2015-03-11T18:05:06Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > I assumed Sasha was simply going walk about and Deanna was bring her ammo (which has to be checked out), and maybe have a little chat. She wouldn’t leave Rick’s group, her family, without saying goodbye. She’s recently lost her brother Tyreese, and bestest buddy Bob. As a former firefighter, I assume the character prefers a family-style environment over going it alone (Daryl-style). I agree, she was going off for a walk. Maybe shoot some people’s family photographs and generally be PTSD for awhile. They’ve got a doctor, but they could use a psychologist. I’m surprised they haven’t scrounged some textbooks about it. Then again, Deanne has lots of books, so maybe she has. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2015, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563/158 "2015-03-11T18:25:45Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > I agree, she was going off for a walk. Maybe shoot some people’s family photographs and generally be PTSD for awhile. They’ve got a doctor, but they could use a psychologist. I’m surprised they haven’t scrounged some textbooks about it. Then again, Deanne has lots of books, so maybe she has. My daughter, who’s a bit more into the show than I am, tells me that those “family” photos are actually pictures of the crew members taken while sitting on set funiture. That’s one way to get your face on TV. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![leftfield6](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leftfield6/32/18780_2.png) [@leftfield6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leftfield6)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2015, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563/159 "2015-03-11T18:34:58Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > My daughter, who’s a bit more into the show than I am, tells me that those “family” photos are actually pictures of the crew members taken while sitting on set funiture. That’s one way to get your face on TV. 🙂 That’s a nice touch. Thanks for sharing that. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2015, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563/160 "2015-03-11T21:38:57Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > It can’t be an outright takeover because as you say the rest of the group would not go along and we can’t have our main folks become true villains. I could see a takeover playing out if the current residents of Alexandria do something to provoke the group forcing them to respond. Perhaps they react disproportionately to a violation of rules, they act dangerously stupid, one of Team Grimes is caught doing something (like stealing chocolate) and they need to rally to the defense. In those cases, I could see the Rictatorship playing out pretty quickly. > > Janeway: “Carol - you’re under arrest for stealing chocolate. Rick, arrest her.” > Rick: No. > Janeway: [some other lackey] You arrest her. > Rick: I’m not going to let you arrest her today. The whole time they’ve been there, Deanne has exiled three men. I don’t think her leadership style is “you’re arrested!” She’s a poker champ, after all. If if comes down to “you’re arrested/exiled” she won’t ask nicely. Rick exiled Carol once already. Then she saved Judith & basically the whole group, so Rick would really struggle with exiling Carol again. He probably wouldn’t. Drama. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-13-forget-open-spoilers/714563.md?page=9)