# The Walking Dead; 5.14 "Spend" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 16, 2015, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-14-spend-open-spoilers/715086 "2015-03-16T00:19:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2015, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-14-spend-open-spoilers/715086/81 "2015-03-17T04:59:52Z")
> [@StGermain](#): > > If I was there, I think I’d have two CD players/alarm clocks/timed noise makers set 1/4 mile apart. I’d have the nearest one set to go off, then 30 minutes later the next one. Once a week, or so, so they could herd up, then be moved down the road by the sound. Toward Woodbury, maybe. If I were there and had all that heavy equipment nearby, I would be digging moats. Let the moats fill with walkers then kill them at leisure. Or, if you want to eliminate as many as possible before they ever get to your walls, dig some zombie pits away from your compound, with noise as bait. As the pits fill up, kill the zombies, bury them, dig a new pit. Now, they don’t have to do these exact things to make me happy. But they should be thinking of doing _something_ to reduce the zombie population in their vicinity. The fact that they never think or talk about this sort of strategic planning sort of bugs me. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2015, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-14-spend-open-spoilers/715086/82 "2015-03-17T05:01:37Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > Carol has basically become Lady MacBeth and has decided the only way to solve problems is killing people. You can’t kill someone because he’s an asshole. Especially when he is the only Doctor. On the plus side, Carol did ASK Rick to kill the doctor. If Carol really wanted doc Pete dead… He’d be dead. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2015, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-14-spend-open-spoilers/715086/83 "2015-03-17T05:02:32Z")
As for wearing armor while foraging, heck, even just wrapping your foraging clothes in duct tape would at least make you bite-resistant. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2015, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-14-spend-open-spoilers/715086/84 "2015-03-17T05:21:35Z")
> [@salinqmind](#): > > Carol’s cookie-loving kid (Sam?) is getting an awful lot of air time, he’s going to figure into something big. Maybe he’ll become an orphan and Carol will adopt him :dubious:. I find it interesting that cookie-loving Sam wasn’t terrified by Carol’s grim fairy tale. Instead, she seems to be the answer to his prayers??? Carol believes Pete is hitting Sam, and maybe hitting Jessie. Maybe there’s a child molester in Alexandria? And there’s Sam’s older brother Ron to consider. Whatever is happening in that family makes Carol’s story pale in comparison. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2015, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-14-spend-open-spoilers/715086/85 "2015-03-17T05:25:29Z")
I think the writers took a chance and did something cool with Scarol. Next week they woke up and said “whoa, let’s dial it back and Disneyfy Carol.” Bake cookies. Make the man evil! ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2015, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-14-spend-open-spoilers/715086/86 "2015-03-17T05:31:31Z")
Re-watched it and noted 2 things: 1. The music they were playing in the van wasn’t loud at all once they closed the doors. And it had a purpose in luring the Walkers away from the revolving door of death. 2. “And a miracle happens” explains how Glen got out of the RDoD. Sloppy writing there. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2015, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-14-spend-open-spoilers/715086/87 "2015-03-17T05:38:32Z")
I think a techno blast “DO YOU WANT TO DIE” should have told us what was going to happen. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2015, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-14-spend-open-spoilers/715086/88 "2015-03-17T05:58:08Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > …I’m worried that Deanna may rethink her dismissal of Gabriel after hearing of her son’s death; though I guess that depends what Nicholas tells her (is Nicholas her other son, or is Aiden 😕). (post shortened) Deanna, and the Alexandria leadership (her husband Spencer?, Aaron?), appear to talk things over before making any decision, and they are willing to make adjustments, if the changes make sense. Which is a good thing. No decision had been reached concerning Gabriel’s warning, but that may change, off-screen, before next weeks show. Or Maggie may get a few lines in order to clear up any doubts? AFAIK, Nicholas is Aiden’s friend, and not related to Deanna or Spencer. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2015, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-14-spend-open-spoilers/715086/89 "2015-03-17T06:11:26Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Re-watched it and noted 2 things: > > 1. The music they were playing in the van wasn’t loud at all once they closed the doors. And it had a purpose in luring the Walkers away from the revolving door of death. > > 2. “And a miracle happens” explains how Glen got out of the RDoD. Sloppy writing there. 1. The music/noise was luring walkers towards the van everywhere it went. 2. The _Perils of Pauline_ suspense serial is well represented by the writers of the WD. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2015, 7:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-14-spend-open-spoilers/715086/90 "2015-03-17T07:17:05Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > 1. “And a miracle happens” explains how Glen got out of the RDoD. Sloppy writing there. If you mean the revolving door, Glenn got out because Eugene lured the outside walkers away from the door. ---
**Author:** ![Algernon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a183cd/32.png) [@Algernon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algernon)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2015, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-14-spend-open-spoilers/715086/91 "2015-03-17T13:09:04Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Well if Deana dismisses Gabriel’s rants then the most prudent & logical thing to do would be to tell Maggie, her _personal assistant_, right away and ask more questions about his history. 😛 _Obviously_ that’s not going to happen. Well of _course_ Deanna is not going to discuss this with Maggie. The LOST-like level of non-discussion on TWD drives me batty. Besides, she’s a politician. Unless there is money involved to sway her opinion, she’s going to stick with whatever dogma she believes in rather than analyze the facts. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2015, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-14-spend-open-spoilers/715086/92 "2015-03-17T13:35:34Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > If you mean the revolving door, Glenn got out because Eugene lured the outside walkers away from the door. Some of them. Last we saw Glen, he was still stuck in the door. They never showed how he got out. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2015, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-14-spend-open-spoilers/715086/93 "2015-03-17T13:39:12Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > If you mean the revolving door, Glenn got out because Eugene lured the outside walkers away from the door. Yeah, and what happened to those walkers, anyway? I was kind of expecting Eugene to lead them away, then slam the van into reverse, crush a few, roll forward again, reverse, crush, repeat… For that matter, why didn’t they circle the perimeter IN THE VAN when they first arrived? They’d have seen the crowd at the front doors and eliminated it with ease under controlled conditions. The continued tactical stupidity of the writing of these characters, even for the ostensibly hardened Rick’s group, is long past annoying. I’m starting to root for the walkers. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2015, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-14-spend-open-spoilers/715086/94 "2015-03-17T14:43:27Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > I find it interesting that cookie-loving Sam wasn’t terrified by Carol’s grim fairy tale. Instead, she seems to be the answer to his prayers??? She may have said scary things - she didn’t actually _do_ scary things = and she gave him cookies. ---
**Author:** ![Soylent\_Juicy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/82dd89/32.png) [@Soylent\_Juicy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Soylent_Juicy)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2015, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-14-spend-open-spoilers/715086/95 "2015-03-17T14:54:32Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > They have a system, and the system is abandoning your friends at the first sign of trouble. That’s why Aaron has to keep going out and looking for more people. > [@VunderBob](#): > > Go look up “Cleveland Steamer” in the Urban Dictionary. Also “Take the Browns to the Superbowl”. I don’t know how Maggie was able to listen to Gabriel spout off without losing her shit. How many times did they save that dipshit’s life? And she’s the one with the most problem about him locking out the people at the church. That kid Sam is creepy. I think Carol is afraid to feel anything towards him because look what happened to the last kids she mothered - her own got zombiefied and well, Lizzie & Mika. What I said at the end of the episode: “Look at the flowers, Pete.” 😛 ---
**Author:** ![theR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/977dab/32.png) [@theR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/theR)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2015, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-14-spend-open-spoilers/715086/96 "2015-03-17T15:29:07Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > Carol has basically become Lady MacBeth and has decided the only way to solve problems is killing people. You can’t kill someone because he’s an asshole. Especially when he is the only Doctor. > > I really really hope they don’t turn Deanna into a looney tunes villain. I like her more than nearly every main character. She is smart, competent, level headed and I have agreed with everything she has said. Huh? They’ve apparently been consistently losing people and she put all the wrong people in charge prior to Rick’s group arriving. Then she put Rick’s people in positions of power, which is also a mistake in terms of not knowing them well enough yet though it is correct in terms of them being more able to do the jobs they took. Plus, the idea of needing a constable in this situation seems ludicrous. The idea is that the constable for such a small group needs a uniform is even more ludicrous even if we give them the benefit of the doubt on needing a constable. She has also said they don’t need sentries, they don’t need weapons inside the walls, and kept the weapons locked up. It’s all idiocy given the supposed situation where they may need to fight at any moment. She is the opposite of smart and competent given the situation they are in. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2015, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-14-spend-open-spoilers/715086/97 "2015-03-17T15:54:05Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > I’m really hoping the finale has a scene where Father Gabriel get’s stripped of his vestments and crucified, then just left there as zombie. 😉 He’s moved from being utterly fucking useless to into insane traitor. \*\* Oh, and it sure sucks that their only doctor is a wife beater\*\*; I wonder this would surprise the other residents, or it it’s just an open secret that nobody talks about because he’s their only doctor. I got that Drunk Doc is a little off, what with him stumbling around and drinking and telling Rick they should be friends, but did they leave clues about him beating his wife? I missed that ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2015, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-14-spend-open-spoilers/715086/98 "2015-03-17T15:58:06Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > I got that Drunk Doc is a little off, what with him stumbling around and drinking and telling Rick they should be friends, but did they leave clues about him beating his wife? I missed that That the doctor beats his wife is Carol’s take on the situation, based on her own experiences (and thus biases). The fact that she immediately went to “So we’ll have to kill him” shows that she’s not right in the head. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2015, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-14-spend-open-spoilers/715086/99 "2015-03-17T15:59:11Z")
Incidentally, \*28 Weeks Later \*remains the gold standard for jaw-droppingly-stupid tactical responses. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2015, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-14-spend-open-spoilers/715086/100 "2015-03-17T16:01:56Z")
> [@simster](#): > > She may have said scary things - she didn’t actually _do_ scary things = and she gave him cookies. Carol’s uber-sinister threat made me sit up and take notice. Sam seems to have taken it in stride. I assume that means that Sam has experienced similar, or worse, threats in the past. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-14-spend-open-spoilers/715086.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-walking-dead-5-14-spend-open-spoilers/715086.md?page=6)